1 00:00:06,382 --> 00:00:09,343 ♪ 2 00:00:09,385 --> 00:00:12,847 ELIZABETH: It was early in 1974 when Ted started acting 3 00:00:12,888 --> 00:00:15,141 differently towards me... 4 00:00:15,224 --> 00:00:18,936 ♪ 5 00:00:18,978 --> 00:00:20,688 ELIZABETH: One day, I came home and I found him 6 00:00:20,730 --> 00:00:22,982 inside my apartment... 7 00:00:23,023 --> 00:00:26,318 He laid down with his head on my lap, and just sobbed. 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,029 He told me that he had to tell me something 9 00:00:29,071 --> 00:00:33,743 that I would probably be shocked about. 10 00:00:33,784 --> 00:00:36,704 He told me that he was gonna drop out of law school. 11 00:00:36,746 --> 00:00:38,247 He said, "I don't know what's wrong with me." 12 00:00:38,289 --> 00:00:40,708 He talked about not being able to concentrate. 13 00:00:40,708 --> 00:00:44,795 I was very surprised that he was having this meltdown. 14 00:00:44,837 --> 00:00:47,673 I know now, in hindsight, what he was talking about. 15 00:00:47,715 --> 00:00:52,678 ♪ 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,182 ♪ 17 00:00:56,223 --> 00:00:57,475 ELIZABETH: Fantasizing all the time 18 00:00:57,516 --> 00:00:59,143 was what he was talking about. 19 00:00:59,185 --> 00:01:00,978 He couldn't concentrate, he didn't go to class, 20 00:01:01,020 --> 00:01:04,148 because he was... 21 00:01:04,190 --> 00:01:06,525 fighting the obsession to kill people. 22 00:01:06,567 --> 00:01:11,030 ♪ 23 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:16,243 ♪ Poses, poses ♪ 24 00:01:16,285 --> 00:01:22,082 ♪ That's all you are to me ♪ 25 00:01:22,124 --> 00:01:27,755 ♪ Roses, roses ♪ 26 00:01:27,797 --> 00:01:34,094 ♪ That's all you're offering me ♪ 27 00:01:38,349 --> 00:01:41,393 MAN: Know how you can end dishwashing forever? 28 00:01:41,435 --> 00:01:44,480 Let your husband do the dishes! 29 00:01:44,522 --> 00:01:46,690 Ha. Who am I kidding? 30 00:01:46,732 --> 00:01:48,400 We know who's gonna do them. 31 00:01:48,442 --> 00:01:50,569 You. 32 00:01:50,611 --> 00:01:54,490 ♪ 33 00:01:54,532 --> 00:01:57,493 BARBARA: Women are supposed to be selfless, 34 00:01:57,535 --> 00:02:00,913 self-sacrificing, and helpful. 35 00:02:00,955 --> 00:02:04,166 And if you're selfish, look out for yourself, 36 00:02:04,208 --> 00:02:06,168 you're evil. 37 00:02:06,210 --> 00:02:09,004 ♪ 38 00:02:09,046 --> 00:02:11,465 PY: Women are conditioned to be nice in two ways. 39 00:02:11,507 --> 00:02:13,968 They're told that's a nice thing to do, 40 00:02:14,009 --> 00:02:17,471 and they're told that if they don't, 41 00:02:17,513 --> 00:02:19,640 something bad is gonna happen. 42 00:02:19,682 --> 00:02:23,143 ♪ 43 00:02:23,185 --> 00:02:27,147 PY: You see it in dramatic films and television. 44 00:02:27,189 --> 00:02:29,984 You see it everywhere you go. 45 00:02:30,025 --> 00:02:32,820 RALPH: How would you like to waste away on the moon, huh? 46 00:02:32,862 --> 00:02:33,863 [audience laughter] 47 00:02:33,904 --> 00:02:35,948 CHERYL: I remember The Honeymooners. 48 00:02:35,990 --> 00:02:38,951 The husband was always threatening the wife. 49 00:02:38,993 --> 00:02:41,370 RALPH: Bang, zoom! [audience laughter] 50 00:02:41,412 --> 00:02:42,830 RALPH: Get my supper. 51 00:02:42,872 --> 00:02:44,206 CHERYL: And people laughed. 52 00:02:44,248 --> 00:02:46,041 And as a little kid, I thought, 53 00:02:46,083 --> 00:02:49,253 "Well, I guess it's okay to hit your wife." 54 00:02:49,295 --> 00:02:54,008 ♪ 55 00:02:54,049 --> 00:02:56,176 ♪ 56 00:02:56,218 --> 00:03:00,806 CHERYL: My dad told me I could do anything. 57 00:03:00,848 --> 00:03:02,933 He loved having women in law enforcement 58 00:03:02,975 --> 00:03:06,562 because he said they gave a different perspective, 59 00:03:06,604 --> 00:03:07,980 that they could get things, 60 00:03:08,022 --> 00:03:11,358 and ask people things that a man couldn't ask, 61 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,195 especially with children and female victims. 62 00:03:15,237 --> 00:03:17,865 He told me what to take in college, 63 00:03:17,907 --> 00:03:19,575 and to follow my dreams. 64 00:03:19,617 --> 00:03:23,037 ♪ 65 00:03:23,078 --> 00:03:26,790 CHERYL: I was at Central Washington State in Ellensburg. 66 00:03:26,832 --> 00:03:30,669 Most of the girls that I knew went on to secretarial school. 67 00:03:30,711 --> 00:03:33,380 I took secretarial classes 68 00:03:33,422 --> 00:03:36,592 because I knew I wanted to work through college. 69 00:03:36,634 --> 00:03:38,177 I started out as a secretary 70 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:41,639 at the campus police department in Ellensburg, 71 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,475 but I wanted to do something more. 72 00:03:44,516 --> 00:03:46,852 Then the chief saw how well I was doing, 73 00:03:46,894 --> 00:03:49,438 and he knew that my dad had been a cop, 74 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,232 and he said, "I think you need to go to the police academy." 75 00:03:52,274 --> 00:03:54,485 So he sent me to the police academy, 76 00:03:54,526 --> 00:03:59,156 and I was the only female out of a class of 38. 77 00:03:59,198 --> 00:04:02,076 It was a dream that girls didn't dare dream. 78 00:04:02,117 --> 00:04:04,828 ♪ 79 00:04:04,870 --> 00:04:08,082 CHERYL: On television, there was Highway Patrol. 80 00:04:08,123 --> 00:04:10,084 There was never any women in that, 81 00:04:10,125 --> 00:04:13,879 unless they were the secretary or a file clerk. 82 00:04:13,921 --> 00:04:17,508 [dramatic music] 83 00:04:17,549 --> 00:04:20,928 CHERYL: 77 Sunset Strip, no women in that, 84 00:04:20,970 --> 00:04:25,557 except being conquered by the men in a sexual manner. 85 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:29,728 STUART: Alright, you've released your tensions, 86 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:34,358 but I don't like being the emotional outlet. 87 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,276 CHERYL: I had a hard time dealing with the men 88 00:04:36,318 --> 00:04:38,278 that were in my department. 89 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,116 I have spoken to men that have told me 90 00:04:42,157 --> 00:04:45,911 "Oh yeah, we did all these horrible things to women 91 00:04:45,953 --> 00:04:49,915 "to make them quit, and sometimes it worked." 92 00:04:49,957 --> 00:04:52,126 And they would laugh about it. 93 00:04:52,167 --> 00:04:54,336 ♪ 94 00:04:54,378 --> 00:04:56,130 KATHLEEN: I was a detective with King County Police 95 00:04:56,171 --> 00:04:57,506 in Seattle. 96 00:04:57,548 --> 00:05:01,093 It was a time when there were no other women, 97 00:05:01,135 --> 00:05:04,263 other than the four who were in my police academy class, 98 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:07,599 and the rules or regulations required 99 00:05:07,641 --> 00:05:11,228 that you be a certain height and a certain weight, 100 00:05:11,270 --> 00:05:13,522 and I didn't meet the weight requirement. 101 00:05:13,564 --> 00:05:14,982 I was too thin. 102 00:05:15,024 --> 00:05:17,317 And so I did have to bulk up 103 00:05:17,359 --> 00:05:20,779 in order to pass the physical exam, 104 00:05:20,821 --> 00:05:23,574 but I didn't let any of that stand in my way. 105 00:05:23,615 --> 00:05:26,577 ♪ 106 00:05:26,618 --> 00:05:29,580 ANNOUNCER: It is graduation day for the national academy. 107 00:05:29,621 --> 00:05:31,874 Members of the class represent almost every type 108 00:05:31,915 --> 00:05:34,668 of United States law enforcement agency, 109 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:37,546 as well as students from other countries. 110 00:05:37,588 --> 00:05:39,590 KATHLEEN: In our senior seminar, 111 00:05:39,631 --> 00:05:43,343 an FBI agent came to the class to do some recruiting, 112 00:05:43,385 --> 00:05:46,889 and he was a very... 113 00:05:46,930 --> 00:05:50,684 poster boy, if you will, for the FBI: 114 00:05:50,726 --> 00:05:53,020 good-looking, told great stories, 115 00:05:53,062 --> 00:05:57,399 made the FBI sound as if it was the best place to work 116 00:05:57,441 --> 00:05:59,026 in law enforcement. 117 00:05:59,068 --> 00:06:02,404 He provided job applications for the special agent position 118 00:06:02,446 --> 00:06:06,241 to all of the people in the class who were male. 119 00:06:06,283 --> 00:06:08,786 But when it came to me, he said, "I'm sorry, 120 00:06:08,827 --> 00:06:10,788 "I can't give you an application to be an agent. 121 00:06:10,829 --> 00:06:14,750 "The FBI doesn't hire women as FBI agents." 122 00:06:14,792 --> 00:06:18,504 ♪ 123 00:06:18,545 --> 00:06:20,172 DETECTIVE: We have very few leads 124 00:06:20,214 --> 00:06:22,382 in the disappearance of Lynda Healy, 125 00:06:22,424 --> 00:06:24,176 although since the last time 126 00:06:24,218 --> 00:06:26,261 that we made a press release on this, 127 00:06:26,303 --> 00:06:30,057 we have interviewed 65 people. 128 00:06:30,099 --> 00:06:33,102 We have not ruled out 129 00:06:33,143 --> 00:06:36,396 any case of foul play here. 130 00:06:36,438 --> 00:06:37,815 KATHLEEN: I was living in Seattle 131 00:06:37,856 --> 00:06:40,734 at the time that Lynda Healy went missing. 132 00:06:40,776 --> 00:06:44,655 So here disappearance was very shocking, 133 00:06:44,696 --> 00:06:46,824 and there were dozens of theories 134 00:06:46,865 --> 00:06:48,617 about who could have taken her, 135 00:06:48,659 --> 00:06:50,452 and there were very few clues. 136 00:06:50,494 --> 00:06:54,373 ♪ 137 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:56,959 ELIZABETH: I was sitting at my dining room table with Ted, 138 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,087 and I was living in the U District at that time, 139 00:07:00,129 --> 00:07:02,798 and there was an article in the newspaper: 140 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:06,468 a college co-ed had been abducted from her bedroom 141 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:08,846 just a few blocks from where I was living. 142 00:07:08,887 --> 00:07:13,350 And her roommates were home, and nobody heard anything, 143 00:07:13,392 --> 00:07:15,853 so I commented on like, "How can that happen? 144 00:07:15,894 --> 00:07:20,107 "How could people not hear what was going on?" 145 00:07:20,149 --> 00:07:23,902 And he did tell me that I needed to be aware at all times. 146 00:07:23,944 --> 00:07:27,823 And I had a back door that went downstairs 147 00:07:27,865 --> 00:07:29,867 to the basement apartment, 148 00:07:29,908 --> 00:07:31,451 and it had this lock on it, 149 00:07:31,493 --> 00:07:33,328 and he said, "You know, you really should change that." 150 00:07:33,370 --> 00:07:36,039 He said, "That's dangerous." 151 00:07:36,081 --> 00:07:40,919 ♪ 152 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:44,131 ELIZABETH: Ted really seemed to like being a family unit. 153 00:07:44,173 --> 00:07:46,633 I think he was looking for stability. 154 00:07:46,675 --> 00:07:51,180 It seemed like he'd been in kind of a drift mode before, 155 00:07:51,221 --> 00:07:54,057 and I think he was really just wanting to like 156 00:07:54,099 --> 00:07:56,185 be a part of something. 157 00:07:56,226 --> 00:08:00,355 ♪ 158 00:08:00,397 --> 00:08:02,524 MOLLY: It was the avenue into my mother's heart 159 00:08:02,566 --> 00:08:04,234 to win me over. 160 00:08:04,276 --> 00:08:06,987 He probably looked at me and saw a lonely little girl 161 00:08:07,029 --> 00:08:08,947 in an unfamiliar place, 162 00:08:08,989 --> 00:08:10,782 and, "I'll just charm her." 163 00:08:10,824 --> 00:08:13,035 And it was not hard at all. 164 00:08:13,076 --> 00:08:15,204 I thought he was marvelous. 165 00:08:15,245 --> 00:08:20,125 He just delighted me, and he took part in raising me. 166 00:08:20,167 --> 00:08:24,129 ♪ 167 00:08:24,171 --> 00:08:26,173 MOLLY: I felt him to be somewhat magical, 168 00:08:26,215 --> 00:08:28,008 actually, as a child. 169 00:08:28,050 --> 00:08:31,553 He could jump very high off the ground, 170 00:08:31,595 --> 00:08:33,513 run very fast, 171 00:08:33,555 --> 00:08:38,143 and he didn't have to think about springing into action. 172 00:08:38,185 --> 00:08:40,479 He just moved. 173 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,356 I saw that with him many times. 174 00:08:42,397 --> 00:08:44,274 And one time, 175 00:08:44,316 --> 00:08:47,486 he had caught something that was falling off a shelf. 176 00:08:47,527 --> 00:08:49,196 It was behind him as he sat in a chair, 177 00:08:49,238 --> 00:08:50,906 and he didn't even turn his head; 178 00:08:50,948 --> 00:08:53,116 he just caught it with his hand. 179 00:08:53,158 --> 00:08:55,994 I mean, he was really uncanny 180 00:08:56,036 --> 00:08:58,956 with his physical connectedness 181 00:08:58,997 --> 00:09:02,251 and his vision of everything 182 00:09:02,292 --> 00:09:04,795 without looking at it. 183 00:09:04,836 --> 00:09:09,091 He was a lot like an animal would be seeing you 184 00:09:09,132 --> 00:09:11,927 without looking at you. 185 00:09:11,969 --> 00:09:16,390 ♪ 186 00:09:16,431 --> 00:09:18,058 ELIZABETH: The conflict in the first couple of years 187 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:19,935 was that I wanted to get married, 188 00:09:19,977 --> 00:09:22,980 and he wasn't ready to commit. 189 00:09:23,021 --> 00:09:25,065 You know, he was reluctant, and I knew that, 190 00:09:25,107 --> 00:09:26,733 but we got the marriage license, 191 00:09:26,775 --> 00:09:28,151 and then he picked a fight 192 00:09:28,193 --> 00:09:31,613 and tore the marriage license into a million little pieces, 193 00:09:31,655 --> 00:09:34,449 and that was the end of that. 194 00:09:34,491 --> 00:09:36,159 After he ripped it up, 195 00:09:36,201 --> 00:09:38,787 I thought, "Well, the problem is me. 196 00:09:38,829 --> 00:09:41,498 "I've gotta just back off and not be so persistent 197 00:09:41,540 --> 00:09:43,500 "about wanting this." 198 00:09:43,542 --> 00:09:47,921 ♪ 199 00:09:47,963 --> 00:09:52,759 ♪ 200 00:09:52,801 --> 00:09:55,846 ♪ 201 00:09:55,887 --> 00:09:59,474 ♪ 202 00:09:59,516 --> 00:10:01,226 CHERYL: I got a call from Chief Pickles, 203 00:10:01,268 --> 00:10:03,478 who was the chief of police 204 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,982 for the Central Washington State College. 205 00:10:07,024 --> 00:10:09,651 He said, "Susan Rancourt's missing." 206 00:10:09,693 --> 00:10:10,819 And I said, "What happened?" 207 00:10:10,861 --> 00:10:13,280 He said, "She just disappeared." 208 00:10:13,322 --> 00:10:17,576 This is a missing young woman who would never disappear. 209 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:20,454 She's very responsible. 210 00:10:20,495 --> 00:10:22,956 She's bright. She's a good student. 211 00:10:22,998 --> 00:10:25,000 She volunteers. 212 00:10:25,042 --> 00:10:27,961 And she has worked for our department as a volunteer. 213 00:10:28,003 --> 00:10:32,090 ♪ 214 00:10:32,132 --> 00:10:34,593 ♪ 215 00:10:34,634 --> 00:10:38,638 VIVIAN: Susan was bright, inquisitive. 216 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:44,144 She just excelled in learning, always reading. 217 00:10:44,186 --> 00:10:46,271 I'd move her bed to clean under it, 218 00:10:46,313 --> 00:10:49,900 and she had every school paper from kindergarten 219 00:10:49,941 --> 00:10:53,445 tucked under her bed in neat piles. 220 00:10:53,487 --> 00:10:54,905 That was her life, 221 00:10:54,946 --> 00:10:57,240 going to school, going to college. 222 00:10:57,282 --> 00:10:59,326 She was in her element. 223 00:10:59,368 --> 00:11:00,660 JUDY: She smiled all the time. 224 00:11:00,702 --> 00:11:02,037 VIVIAN: She had a beautiful smile. 225 00:11:02,079 --> 00:11:04,289 JUDY: She was a smiler. She smiled all the time. 226 00:11:04,331 --> 00:11:08,001 She was very upbeat, and... 227 00:11:08,043 --> 00:11:14,299 VIVIAN: She was interested in the sciences. 228 00:11:14,341 --> 00:11:20,180 She was one of those that would have kept learning forever. 229 00:11:20,222 --> 00:11:24,309 ♪ 230 00:11:27,020 --> 00:11:30,774 CHERYL: Susan had left the resident assistant meeting 231 00:11:30,816 --> 00:11:32,150 at the library, 232 00:11:32,192 --> 00:11:35,862 and took off towards her dorm, 233 00:11:35,904 --> 00:11:38,698 and that was the last anybody saw her. 234 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:40,409 ♪ 235 00:11:40,450 --> 00:11:41,993 JUDY: Her roommate called and said, 236 00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:44,454 "Sue didn't come home last night." 237 00:11:44,496 --> 00:11:48,375 I said, "Are you serious? What's going on?" 238 00:11:48,417 --> 00:11:50,794 ♪ 239 00:11:50,836 --> 00:11:52,337 JUDY: Mom and Dad, we all went over to campus. 240 00:11:52,379 --> 00:11:55,090 We just stopped and we went over. 241 00:11:55,132 --> 00:11:58,260 VIVIAN: And that was when my husband started yelling, 242 00:11:58,301 --> 00:12:01,388 "My daughter's missing. Something's happened." 243 00:12:01,430 --> 00:12:05,100 He was screaming loud and clear. 244 00:12:05,142 --> 00:12:09,938 The Boy Scouts came in and did a ground search. 245 00:12:09,980 --> 00:12:12,732 Alleys, sheds. 246 00:12:12,774 --> 00:12:16,236 They even lifted up manhole covers. 247 00:12:16,278 --> 00:12:20,073 My brother had a friend that had a private airplane, 248 00:12:20,115 --> 00:12:23,368 and they flew a grid over the area. 249 00:12:23,410 --> 00:12:26,163 She had on a yellow raincoat, 250 00:12:26,204 --> 00:12:29,458 and they were hoping that they could spot that. 251 00:12:29,499 --> 00:12:31,751 JUDY: We didn't know what our next step could even be. 252 00:12:31,793 --> 00:12:33,628 We were just mystified. 253 00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:35,255 And my husband and I were driving home 254 00:12:35,297 --> 00:12:36,506 through the mountains, 255 00:12:36,548 --> 00:12:38,800 and I just remember keeping my eyes on the window 256 00:12:38,842 --> 00:12:39,968 the whole time. 257 00:12:40,010 --> 00:12:41,219 VIVIAN: Looking for that yellow raincoat. 258 00:12:41,261 --> 00:12:42,679 JUDY: Thinking I'm gonna find that yellow ski coat, 259 00:12:42,721 --> 00:12:46,016 and I thought, "Even if I find it in a ditch, would be... 260 00:12:46,057 --> 00:12:48,477 "We just need to find it. We need to find her. 261 00:12:48,518 --> 00:12:51,688 "We have to keep on, so we can help her, 262 00:12:51,730 --> 00:12:54,566 "or find her, or, you know, bring this to a close." 263 00:12:54,608 --> 00:12:58,653 VIVIAN: And there were so many different districts 264 00:12:58,695 --> 00:13:03,158 of law enforcement, and they were so territorial 265 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,203 that they didn't really band together. 266 00:13:06,244 --> 00:13:10,290 ♪ 267 00:13:10,332 --> 00:13:13,460 ♪ 268 00:13:13,502 --> 00:13:18,465 CHERYL: It was like pulling rusty old nails 269 00:13:18,507 --> 00:13:22,511 out of... 270 00:13:22,552 --> 00:13:24,763 out of an old tree, 271 00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:27,140 to get any information, 272 00:13:27,182 --> 00:13:30,894 to get any cooperation from the departments. 273 00:13:30,936 --> 00:13:33,897 And when I started looking at the case, 274 00:13:33,939 --> 00:13:36,858 I noticed that there was no evidence, 275 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:38,693 nothing collected. 276 00:13:38,735 --> 00:13:40,820 I heard a rumour 277 00:13:40,862 --> 00:13:45,325 that a man had worn bandages around his arm. 278 00:13:45,367 --> 00:13:47,494 He needed help, and was approaching girls 279 00:13:47,536 --> 00:13:51,039 at a library on campus. 280 00:13:51,081 --> 00:13:54,793 And at the library is where I believe 281 00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:59,381 she met a man with bandages around his arm. 282 00:13:59,422 --> 00:14:01,925 Somebody needs help, you go help them. 283 00:14:01,967 --> 00:14:05,720 ♪ 284 00:14:05,762 --> 00:14:09,766 PY: He knew that one of our vulnerabilities 285 00:14:09,808 --> 00:14:13,770 was to be nurturing, 286 00:14:13,812 --> 00:14:16,314 and helpful, and to care. 287 00:14:16,356 --> 00:14:20,944 Now, here you have a wounded human being, 288 00:14:20,986 --> 00:14:25,532 and for most of us, particularly at that time, 289 00:14:25,574 --> 00:14:28,702 we wouldn't think of not helping. 290 00:14:28,743 --> 00:14:31,329 [protestors chanting] 291 00:14:31,371 --> 00:14:33,957 PY: I was a student at the University of Washington, 292 00:14:33,999 --> 00:14:38,128 and I was deeply immersed in the anti-rape movement. 293 00:14:38,169 --> 00:14:40,297 I began teaching women 294 00:14:40,338 --> 00:14:42,591 in order to defend themselves, 295 00:14:42,632 --> 00:14:44,467 to feel more empowered. 296 00:14:44,509 --> 00:14:46,761 Somebody looked at me and said, "Hey, you, you know karate. 297 00:14:46,803 --> 00:14:48,597 "Why don't you teach self-defense?" 298 00:14:48,638 --> 00:14:52,851 ♪ You keep saying you've got something for me ♪ 299 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:54,394 CLASS: Ha! 300 00:14:54,436 --> 00:14:56,646 ♪ Something you call love... ♪ 301 00:14:56,688 --> 00:15:01,192 PY: What I tried to do was get women to question 302 00:15:01,234 --> 00:15:05,280 the messages that they got as they were growing up. 303 00:15:05,322 --> 00:15:07,616 ♪ These boots are made for walkin' ♪ 304 00:15:07,657 --> 00:15:09,659 PY [ARCHIVE]: Last year, there were like 20 movies 305 00:15:09,701 --> 00:15:12,829 in which they showed women being raped, 306 00:15:12,871 --> 00:15:15,540 but in Deliverance, where some guy's getting raped, 307 00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:17,417 you know, people are shocked, 308 00:15:17,459 --> 00:15:18,877 but nobody thinks anything of it 309 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:20,378 when women are raped in films. 310 00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:21,838 It's just the way things are. 311 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,965 PY: Women were afraid to defend themselves 312 00:15:24,007 --> 00:15:25,800 because they'd grown up learning 313 00:15:25,842 --> 00:15:27,844 that if you tried to defend yourself, 314 00:15:27,886 --> 00:15:29,304 you'll get killed. 315 00:15:29,346 --> 00:15:33,224 So there was a big incentive not to fight back, 316 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:37,896 and that your fate 317 00:15:37,937 --> 00:15:40,607 lay only in submitting. 318 00:15:41,608 --> 00:15:43,818 MAN: The best thing to do, if you're in a rape situation, 319 00:15:43,860 --> 00:15:47,030 is submit, submit, submit until it hurts, 320 00:15:47,072 --> 00:15:50,033 because it's gonna hurt a lot less in the long run. 321 00:15:50,075 --> 00:15:51,993 MAN 2: So they have methods of self-defense; 322 00:15:52,035 --> 00:15:53,578 they have programs for girls. 323 00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:55,955 But the average girl on the street that's hitchhiking 324 00:15:55,997 --> 00:15:57,540 says, "It couldn't happen to me," 325 00:15:57,582 --> 00:15:59,334 so she doesn't take that self-defense course. 326 00:15:59,376 --> 00:16:01,252 MAN 3: The self-defense course wouldn't help her, man. 327 00:16:01,294 --> 00:16:03,004 MAN: A self-defense course would get her killed 328 00:16:03,046 --> 00:16:04,255 is what it'd get. 329 00:16:04,297 --> 00:16:05,757 MAN 4: [inaudible], Jeff. 330 00:16:05,799 --> 00:16:07,884 The woman that I was with, Jeff, 331 00:16:07,926 --> 00:16:12,722 she fought back and she's dead. 332 00:16:12,764 --> 00:16:14,724 PY: Saying that women shouldn't fight back 333 00:16:14,766 --> 00:16:18,019 or they'll be killed, it's more than women are weak. 334 00:16:18,061 --> 00:16:21,356 To me, it's like an emotional threat 335 00:16:21,398 --> 00:16:25,360 thrown over the entire universe of women. 336 00:16:25,402 --> 00:16:28,196 "Submit to us or we're gonna kill you." 337 00:16:28,238 --> 00:16:33,159 ♪ 338 00:16:33,201 --> 00:16:36,830 ♪ 339 00:16:36,871 --> 00:16:40,834 ♪ 340 00:16:40,875 --> 00:16:44,129 ♪ 341 00:16:44,170 --> 00:16:46,631 PHYLLIS: We have a local festival that's in our area 342 00:16:46,673 --> 00:16:47,966 in Pearce County. 343 00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:50,677 It's a fun festival that promotes 344 00:16:50,719 --> 00:16:53,221 the daffodil bulb business, 345 00:16:53,263 --> 00:16:55,557 and it's been around for a long time, 346 00:16:55,598 --> 00:16:58,643 and I was selected for my high school 347 00:16:58,685 --> 00:17:00,812 as a daffodil princess, 348 00:17:00,854 --> 00:17:03,898 and Georgann was a representative 349 00:17:03,940 --> 00:17:06,526 from her high school, and that's how we met. 350 00:17:06,568 --> 00:17:10,363 ♪ 351 00:17:10,405 --> 00:17:12,157 ♪ 352 00:17:12,198 --> 00:17:14,451 PHYLLIS: We did a lot of really cool stuff. 353 00:17:14,492 --> 00:17:17,746 We went down to Olympia, our capital, 354 00:17:17,787 --> 00:17:20,373 and we met the governor and his wife. 355 00:17:20,415 --> 00:17:21,791 We went on the USS Missouri 356 00:17:21,833 --> 00:17:24,419 where they signed the World War II peace treaty. 357 00:17:24,461 --> 00:17:26,379 We also went to Seattle. 358 00:17:26,421 --> 00:17:28,965 We went to the Space Needle, had lunch. 359 00:17:29,007 --> 00:17:31,134 This friendship really blossomed 360 00:17:31,176 --> 00:17:33,303 because we were together a lot. 361 00:17:33,344 --> 00:17:36,598 And from there, we lived together at the Theta House, 362 00:17:36,639 --> 00:17:38,391 at the University of Washington. 363 00:17:41,811 --> 00:17:43,229 PHYLLIS: There was the Theta House, 364 00:17:43,271 --> 00:17:45,815 the Fiji House, the Gamma Phi House. 365 00:17:45,857 --> 00:17:47,776 They affectionately call that "Greek Row," 366 00:17:47,817 --> 00:17:50,945 and it's sororities and fraternities on both sides. 367 00:17:50,987 --> 00:17:52,071 So we're right there. 368 00:17:52,113 --> 00:17:53,573 I mean, we walked out on the front steps, 369 00:17:53,615 --> 00:17:57,327 you could see across the street the entrance to the campus. 370 00:17:57,368 --> 00:17:59,537 We walked on campus every day, 371 00:17:59,579 --> 00:18:01,331 right from the sorority, 372 00:18:01,372 --> 00:18:03,833 and had a great group of people 373 00:18:03,875 --> 00:18:05,376 that we were around all the time. 374 00:18:05,418 --> 00:18:07,212 Everything was possible. 375 00:18:14,719 --> 00:18:17,013 ELIZABETH: It was a Saturday night, 376 00:18:17,055 --> 00:18:19,849 and my parents came up from Utah. 377 00:18:19,891 --> 00:18:21,601 The tradition in the Mormon faith 378 00:18:21,643 --> 00:18:23,978 is that when you're 8 years old, you get baptized, 379 00:18:24,020 --> 00:18:28,233 and so I was going to have my daughter Molly baptized, 380 00:18:28,274 --> 00:18:30,485 and my dad was gonna do the baptism. 381 00:18:30,527 --> 00:18:33,988 And so we went out to dinner the night before, 382 00:18:34,030 --> 00:18:37,075 and Ted treated us all to pizza. 383 00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:43,456 ELIZABETH: He was in a big hurry to go 384 00:18:43,498 --> 00:18:46,793 after we were done with pizza. 385 00:18:46,835 --> 00:18:49,629 The next day, he didn't show up. 386 00:18:49,671 --> 00:18:51,548 He completely missed the baptism. 387 00:18:51,589 --> 00:18:53,299 He was probably two hours late. 388 00:18:53,341 --> 00:18:56,010 And, after it was all done, he showed up at the church, 389 00:18:56,052 --> 00:18:59,180 and he... I forget what he said was the excuse; 390 00:18:59,222 --> 00:19:01,558 car trouble or something like that. 391 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:03,893 I was mad because he was making me look bad 392 00:19:03,935 --> 00:19:05,270 in front of my parents, 393 00:19:05,311 --> 00:19:08,189 but, you know, we never in our wildest dreams 394 00:19:08,231 --> 00:19:11,234 thought he was out abducting people. 395 00:19:11,276 --> 00:19:15,280 ♪ 396 00:19:15,321 --> 00:19:18,408 ♪ 397 00:19:18,449 --> 00:19:20,034 DETECTIVE: The information that has come to us 398 00:19:20,076 --> 00:19:22,954 explained that she had disappeared 399 00:19:22,996 --> 00:19:27,166 on the early part of June 1st. 400 00:19:27,208 --> 00:19:29,919 ELIZABETH: I wasn't aware that Brenda Ball had been 401 00:19:29,961 --> 00:19:34,299 abducted that night until many years later. 402 00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:36,384 You know, she was seen talking to a man 403 00:19:36,426 --> 00:19:38,803 with a cast on his arm, 404 00:19:38,845 --> 00:19:40,930 but the police didn't connect it together 405 00:19:40,972 --> 00:19:42,682 with the other abductions that went on 406 00:19:42,724 --> 00:19:44,809 in the Pacific Northwest. 407 00:19:44,851 --> 00:19:48,563 ♪ 408 00:19:48,605 --> 00:19:52,817 ♪ 409 00:19:52,859 --> 00:19:55,987 ♪ 410 00:19:56,029 --> 00:19:57,864 PHYLLIS: We had these giant trees out front 411 00:19:57,906 --> 00:19:59,157 that covered the lights, 412 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:02,035 and so it was fairly dark. 413 00:20:02,076 --> 00:20:04,162 I went down the steps, and there was a man 414 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:07,415 that was at the foot of the steps on crutches, 415 00:20:07,457 --> 00:20:10,501 holding a gas can, and he had a cast on his leg. 416 00:20:10,543 --> 00:20:12,921 And he said, "Can you help me?" 417 00:20:12,962 --> 00:20:14,005 And I said, "Sure." 418 00:20:14,047 --> 00:20:15,673 He goes, "I ran out of gas. 419 00:20:15,715 --> 00:20:17,800 "It's just up the way. 420 00:20:17,842 --> 00:20:20,970 "I'm having a horrible time trying to carry this gas can." 421 00:20:21,012 --> 00:20:22,513 And I said, "Okay, sure." 422 00:20:22,555 --> 00:20:25,892 And so I picked it up, and he said, 423 00:20:25,934 --> 00:20:27,769 "I'm gonna put some gas in the car, 424 00:20:27,810 --> 00:20:29,854 "if you would get inside." 425 00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:31,898 It was a Volkswagen bug. 426 00:20:31,940 --> 00:20:34,817 And I got in, and he said, 427 00:20:34,859 --> 00:20:37,195 "When I tell you, in a minute, there's a button 428 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:41,157 "that's underneath the steering wheel area. 429 00:20:41,199 --> 00:20:43,326 "If you would push that, because I'm having car trouble." 430 00:20:43,368 --> 00:20:45,036 And I'm like, "Oh, okay." 431 00:20:45,078 --> 00:20:47,205 And he says, "Okay, well, I'll let you know." 432 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:48,373 And I said, "Alright." 433 00:20:48,414 --> 00:20:51,084 And so I'd been just not a long time, maybe, 434 00:20:51,125 --> 00:20:53,252 maybe a minute, maybe two; 435 00:20:53,294 --> 00:20:55,546 all of the sudden, it was just like... 436 00:20:55,588 --> 00:20:57,006 it was just like this cold chill. 437 00:20:57,048 --> 00:20:58,925 I was like, "Wait, something's not right here. 438 00:20:58,967 --> 00:21:01,386 "This isn't right. This just isn't right. 439 00:21:01,427 --> 00:21:03,304 I mean, I just... I just felt it, you know? 440 00:21:03,346 --> 00:21:06,057 That sixth sense that you have. 441 00:21:06,099 --> 00:21:09,102 And I jumped up out of the car, 442 00:21:09,143 --> 00:21:10,478 and I took off running. 443 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,065 I said, "Sorry, bye!" And I left. 444 00:21:14,107 --> 00:21:17,235 And I never thought a thing about it, ever, 445 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:22,073 until... 446 00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:24,200 well, after George. 447 00:21:24,242 --> 00:21:29,080 ♪ 448 00:21:29,122 --> 00:21:33,876 ♪ 449 00:21:33,918 --> 00:21:36,295 REPORTER: Georgann Hawkins was last seen Monday evening, 450 00:21:36,337 --> 00:21:37,839 shortly after midnight. 451 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,590 She had been visiting at the Beta House, 452 00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:42,760 and was returning to her house just a half-block away, 453 00:21:42,802 --> 00:21:44,429 down this alley. 454 00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:47,807 Police believe she went along this route, 455 00:21:47,849 --> 00:21:50,685 and then somewhere she disappeared. 456 00:21:54,814 --> 00:21:56,858 PHYLLIS: She was walking down the alleyway 457 00:21:56,899 --> 00:21:58,401 towards our back door. 458 00:21:58,443 --> 00:22:01,946 One of the Betas stuck his head out and said, 459 00:22:01,988 --> 00:22:03,823 "Hey, George, where are you going?" 460 00:22:03,865 --> 00:22:06,909 "Oh, I've got a Spanish final in the morning. 461 00:22:06,951 --> 00:22:08,870 "I gotta get back and study." 462 00:22:08,911 --> 00:22:12,290 And so there was some activity down the alleyway, 463 00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:13,583 and she looked down, 464 00:22:13,624 --> 00:22:16,252 and then looked back at Dwayne and said, 465 00:22:16,294 --> 00:22:19,464 "Okay, hasta luego," and waved goodbye to him. 466 00:22:19,505 --> 00:22:22,467 And my room faced the alleyway, and I was on the second story 467 00:22:22,508 --> 00:22:24,719 with the window open studying, 468 00:22:24,761 --> 00:22:27,388 and I didn't hear a sound. 469 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:29,849 So the next day, we spoke to Mrs. Bates, 470 00:22:29,891 --> 00:22:31,851 which was our house mother at the time, 471 00:22:31,893 --> 00:22:33,644 that lived in the sorority, 472 00:22:33,686 --> 00:22:37,356 and immediately we had it on the news that night. 473 00:22:37,398 --> 00:22:40,068 MARY: It's unreal, and it's a nightmare, 474 00:22:40,109 --> 00:22:43,112 and nothing in anybody's manual would prepare you 475 00:22:43,154 --> 00:22:44,781 for something like this. 476 00:22:44,822 --> 00:22:46,407 Mostly they're frightened, 477 00:22:46,449 --> 00:22:49,702 and I sense a good deal of anger. 478 00:22:49,744 --> 00:22:51,120 REPORTER: Against whom? 479 00:22:51,162 --> 00:22:53,581 MARY: Against anyone who would feel they had the right 480 00:22:53,623 --> 00:22:55,875 to walk into the middle of a young lady's life 481 00:22:55,917 --> 00:22:58,419 and disrupt it in this way. 482 00:22:58,461 --> 00:23:01,631 ♪ 483 00:23:01,672 --> 00:23:04,967 ♪ 484 00:23:05,009 --> 00:23:07,512 REPORTER: Do you suspect foul play in this disappearance? 485 00:23:07,553 --> 00:23:10,306 DETECTIVE: I think it's too early to suspect any foul play. 486 00:23:10,348 --> 00:23:12,225 We just got the case this morning, 487 00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:15,311 and it's hard to say whether there's any foul play or not. 488 00:23:15,353 --> 00:23:16,896 PHYLLIS: It was all over the news. 489 00:23:16,938 --> 00:23:19,107 When we walked out, they were there. 490 00:23:19,148 --> 00:23:20,566 They, being the reporters. 491 00:23:20,608 --> 00:23:21,567 "We want to do an interview. 492 00:23:21,609 --> 00:23:22,693 "We want to get this." 493 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:25,446 And you can see, I'm almost flip about it. 494 00:23:25,488 --> 00:23:26,656 REPORTER: You knew Georgann for quite a while, 495 00:23:26,697 --> 00:23:27,990 didn't you? 496 00:23:28,032 --> 00:23:30,493 PHYLLIS [ARCHIVE]: Uh, I met Georgann in December '72, 497 00:23:30,535 --> 00:23:33,079 and she was very outgoing, very outgoing, 498 00:23:33,121 --> 00:23:35,414 and quite studious also. 499 00:23:35,456 --> 00:23:36,916 REPORTER: Is she involved in a lot of activities? 500 00:23:36,958 --> 00:23:38,042 PHYLLIS: When I make that little comment, 501 00:23:38,084 --> 00:23:39,502 you can even see the smile on my face. 502 00:23:39,544 --> 00:23:40,795 "Well, she's quite studious too." 503 00:23:40,837 --> 00:23:43,548 When I said that, I was being kind of funny, 504 00:23:43,589 --> 00:23:47,051 because I wanted her mom, specifically, 505 00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:48,636 to know that she did study. 506 00:23:48,678 --> 00:23:51,347 It wasn't like she was partying or anything. 507 00:23:51,389 --> 00:23:54,183 And after they cut the cameras down, 508 00:23:54,225 --> 00:23:56,018 I said, "Oh man, that's... 509 00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:57,895 "George is gonna love that I said that." 510 00:23:57,937 --> 00:24:00,314 I remember saying that: "She's gonna love that I said that." 511 00:24:00,356 --> 00:24:01,649 And we were kind of giggling about it 512 00:24:01,691 --> 00:24:04,360 because I never-- I honestly, at that time, 513 00:24:04,402 --> 00:24:06,571 never believed for a moment that she was gone, 514 00:24:06,612 --> 00:24:08,865 that she was not coming back to us. 515 00:24:08,906 --> 00:24:12,994 ♪ 516 00:24:13,035 --> 00:24:14,954 ♪ 517 00:24:14,996 --> 00:24:16,622 REPORTER: Did she give you any kind of idea 518 00:24:16,664 --> 00:24:17,999 of where she was going on the night 519 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,251 that she turned up missing? 520 00:24:20,293 --> 00:24:22,211 PHYLLIS: Well, she went and visited her boyfriend, 521 00:24:22,253 --> 00:24:23,713 and she was en route to home, 522 00:24:23,754 --> 00:24:26,048 and she had a final the next morning, 523 00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:27,717 and she didn't show up for the final. 524 00:24:27,758 --> 00:24:29,051 I talked to the professor the next day, 525 00:24:29,093 --> 00:24:30,094 and he said he was really surprised 526 00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:31,554 that she didn't show up. 527 00:24:31,596 --> 00:24:33,639 ♪ 528 00:24:33,681 --> 00:24:35,349 PHYLLIS: Of course, we had no idea where George was. 529 00:24:35,391 --> 00:24:36,726 We didn't... I don't know. 530 00:24:36,767 --> 00:24:39,478 In my mind, I just knew she wasn't there, 531 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,023 but never in a million years thought 532 00:24:42,064 --> 00:24:44,317 she wasn't coming back. 533 00:24:44,358 --> 00:24:46,402 Even though she's never left before, 534 00:24:46,444 --> 00:24:48,779 she never spent the night, she never did any of that. 535 00:24:48,821 --> 00:24:50,364 We always knew where she was. 536 00:24:50,406 --> 00:24:52,116 She was very careful. 537 00:24:52,158 --> 00:24:55,328 ♪ 538 00:24:55,369 --> 00:24:58,664 ♪ 539 00:24:58,706 --> 00:25:03,377 PHYLIIS: I pray for her every night. 540 00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:07,757 Heck, she's... still very much in my world. 541 00:25:07,798 --> 00:25:09,133 She really is. 542 00:25:09,175 --> 00:25:13,179 ♪ 543 00:25:13,221 --> 00:25:15,806 CHERYL: When Georgann Hawkins disappeared 544 00:25:15,848 --> 00:25:17,767 from the University of Washington, 545 00:25:17,808 --> 00:25:20,853 immediately I thought it was the same guy, 546 00:25:20,895 --> 00:25:24,774 because he was so... surreptitious. 547 00:25:24,815 --> 00:25:26,442 He was so sneaky. 548 00:25:26,484 --> 00:25:28,486 He just knew how to do it, 549 00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:31,072 how to make somebody disappear. 550 00:25:31,113 --> 00:25:32,949 It was just like, shoop! 551 00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:36,035 The earth swallowed them up, and they were gone. 552 00:25:38,871 --> 00:25:41,874 CHERYL: I was getting missing person notices 553 00:25:41,916 --> 00:25:45,086 from the Seattle Police Department, King County, 554 00:25:45,127 --> 00:25:47,880 because I had friends on both departments, 555 00:25:47,922 --> 00:25:49,924 as well as my father's friends 556 00:25:49,966 --> 00:25:52,885 that were helping on the investigation. 557 00:25:52,927 --> 00:25:55,888 So I was assigned the missing girls case 558 00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:59,433 because I had the most access of any of the officers. 559 00:25:59,475 --> 00:26:02,311 ♪ 560 00:26:02,353 --> 00:26:03,980 CHERYL: They were popping up, 561 00:26:04,021 --> 00:26:05,564 and I knew there had to be a connection 562 00:26:05,606 --> 00:26:10,361 because they all happened on a college/university campus, 563 00:26:10,403 --> 00:26:12,697 and they were all the same age, 564 00:26:12,738 --> 00:26:15,366 and they were all within a couple of months of each other. 565 00:26:15,408 --> 00:26:19,620 ♪ 566 00:26:19,662 --> 00:26:22,623 ♪ 567 00:26:22,665 --> 00:26:26,711 ♪ 568 00:26:26,752 --> 00:26:30,047 ♪ 569 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:34,593 ♪ 570 00:26:34,635 --> 00:26:38,889 ♪ 571 00:26:38,931 --> 00:26:43,602 ♪ 572 00:26:43,644 --> 00:26:48,107 ♪ 573 00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:51,861 ♪ 574 00:26:51,902 --> 00:26:56,866 ♪ 575 00:26:56,907 --> 00:27:00,745 ♪ 576 00:27:00,786 --> 00:27:04,623 ♪ 577 00:27:04,665 --> 00:27:08,627 ♪ 578 00:27:08,669 --> 00:27:12,882 ♪ 579 00:27:12,923 --> 00:27:15,718 ♪ 580 00:27:16,719 --> 00:27:22,183 CHERYL: My theory was that there was a nice-looking man 581 00:27:22,224 --> 00:27:25,519 that was abducting these girls, 582 00:27:25,561 --> 00:27:28,439 and I think that they're being murdered. 583 00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:32,943 ♪ 584 00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:36,197 ♪ 585 00:27:36,238 --> 00:27:39,075 CHERYL: And with the highway system 586 00:27:39,116 --> 00:27:41,369 that had been developed, at that time, 587 00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:44,955 he could make it from one place to another. 588 00:27:44,997 --> 00:27:47,249 ♪ 589 00:27:47,291 --> 00:27:49,668 ANNOUNCER: What is needed is one overall master plan 590 00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:51,545 for our roads and highways. 591 00:27:51,587 --> 00:27:53,714 In this plan, there will be no intersections; 592 00:27:53,756 --> 00:27:55,424 access will be controlled. 593 00:27:55,466 --> 00:27:58,511 It will really united all of our United States. 594 00:27:58,552 --> 00:28:00,388 KNUTE: When the interstates finally came to Seattle, 595 00:28:00,429 --> 00:28:02,264 it was a real game-changer. 596 00:28:02,306 --> 00:28:05,476 They allowed people to go farther, faster, 597 00:28:05,518 --> 00:28:09,397 and in a sense, more anonymously than in the past. 598 00:28:09,438 --> 00:28:12,191 It was giving you high-speed access 599 00:28:12,233 --> 00:28:17,405 to very rural and wilderness areas. 600 00:28:17,446 --> 00:28:21,033 ♪ 601 00:28:21,075 --> 00:28:22,910 GINGER: It didn't take very long 602 00:28:22,952 --> 00:28:24,453 for the dream of the interstates, 603 00:28:24,495 --> 00:28:26,789 the dream of social mobility, 604 00:28:26,831 --> 00:28:30,709 to start morphing into a kind of nightmare. 605 00:28:30,751 --> 00:28:33,087 ♪ 606 00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:35,756 GINGER: If you look at a map of the region 607 00:28:35,798 --> 00:28:38,384 where women were going missing, 608 00:28:38,426 --> 00:28:40,136 it's pretty clear 609 00:28:40,177 --> 00:28:43,931 that the killer was using the highways 610 00:28:43,973 --> 00:28:47,143 in order to find victims. 611 00:28:49,979 --> 00:28:52,148 KATHLEEN: Most people in Seattle had the thought 612 00:28:52,189 --> 00:28:56,902 that Lynda Healy's case was the beginning of something. 613 00:28:56,944 --> 00:28:59,572 When Georgann Hawkins went missing 614 00:28:59,613 --> 00:29:04,577 from just blocks away from where Lynda went missing... 615 00:29:04,618 --> 00:29:07,746 Once Georgann disappeared, 616 00:29:07,788 --> 00:29:10,541 women became unnerved. 617 00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:13,544 It was a palpable nervousness. 618 00:29:13,586 --> 00:29:16,881 The attention of the media of course impacted that, 619 00:29:16,922 --> 00:29:20,426 because it was starting to be on the news every day. 620 00:29:20,468 --> 00:29:23,804 ♪ 621 00:29:23,846 --> 00:29:25,222 ANNOUNCER: All of the missing college girls 622 00:29:25,264 --> 00:29:28,100 were white females, 18-21 years of age. 623 00:29:29,351 --> 00:29:31,145 MAN: Actually, the president was 624 00:29:31,187 --> 00:29:34,231 intentionally misleading not only the American people, 625 00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:36,275 but the congress as well. 626 00:29:36,317 --> 00:29:38,152 ELIZABETH: At work, we had the radio on all day long 627 00:29:38,194 --> 00:29:41,280 because people were listening to the Watergate hearings. 628 00:29:41,322 --> 00:29:43,782 It just seemed to go on forever, 629 00:29:43,824 --> 00:29:46,160 but the reason I was listening was that they would break in 630 00:29:46,202 --> 00:29:49,705 with bulletins about these abductions. 631 00:29:49,747 --> 00:29:51,248 ANNOUNCER: We caution all young ladies 632 00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:53,751 that they do not leave with a stranger. 633 00:29:53,792 --> 00:29:55,336 ELIZABETH: All the women were scared. 634 00:29:55,377 --> 00:29:57,713 All young women were-- it was on our minds. 635 00:29:57,755 --> 00:29:59,173 ANNOUNCER: We just want to caution the young women 636 00:29:59,215 --> 00:30:00,799 of our community. 637 00:30:00,841 --> 00:30:03,719 ELIZABETH: I remember just feeling sick. 638 00:30:03,761 --> 00:30:05,513 What I was hungry to hear was that somebody had been 639 00:30:05,554 --> 00:30:08,516 arrested for it, so I could stop thinking about it. 640 00:30:08,557 --> 00:30:12,645 ♪ 641 00:30:12,686 --> 00:30:15,606 ♪ 642 00:30:15,648 --> 00:30:17,066 ELIZABETH: There was a real pattern. 643 00:30:17,107 --> 00:30:19,818 The women that had been abducted all had long hair, 644 00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:21,237 as did I. 645 00:30:21,278 --> 00:30:24,698 And I mean, I think I was older than the college students, 646 00:30:24,740 --> 00:30:28,661 and so I didn't really fit the profile, 647 00:30:28,702 --> 00:30:32,248 but still had the long hair parted in the middle, 648 00:30:32,289 --> 00:30:35,376 and so I was scared to death. Most women were. 649 00:30:35,417 --> 00:30:40,256 And I think people that fit a profile felt extra scared. 650 00:30:40,297 --> 00:30:42,675 PHYLLIS: We were stopped in our tracks. 651 00:30:42,716 --> 00:30:45,553 Everything changed, overnight. 652 00:30:45,594 --> 00:30:49,139 As time marched on, we saw that this was being duplicated 653 00:30:49,181 --> 00:30:52,851 multiple times, and it was frightening. 654 00:30:52,893 --> 00:30:55,854 We didn't know that there were predators like that out there. 655 00:30:55,896 --> 00:30:59,567 We had no idea. We had no idea. 656 00:30:59,608 --> 00:31:00,943 No idea. 657 00:31:00,985 --> 00:31:03,195 I mean, it just stopped us in our tracks. 658 00:31:03,237 --> 00:31:06,615 It was like our fairytale world 659 00:31:06,657 --> 00:31:08,951 had stopped for a moment. 660 00:31:08,993 --> 00:31:13,831 ♪ 661 00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:16,709 ♪ 662 00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:19,670 ♪ 663 00:31:19,712 --> 00:31:21,630 MAN: In these last five cases, 664 00:31:21,672 --> 00:31:24,091 they just vanished for no apparent reason, 665 00:31:24,133 --> 00:31:27,678 and we feel that we haven't come to the end of our line here, 666 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,847 that there's a good possibility 667 00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:31,765 that this could happen again. 668 00:31:31,807 --> 00:31:35,102 STEVEN: It was very eerily close to the bone for all of us, 669 00:31:35,144 --> 00:31:37,771 and in personal, intimate ways. 670 00:31:37,813 --> 00:31:40,357 Everybody knew somebody who knew one of the victims. 671 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:43,027 My wife went to school with Lynda Healy, 672 00:31:43,068 --> 00:31:46,238 and if you lived here at the time, as I did, 673 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,241 people dropped out of colleges, they went back home. 674 00:31:49,283 --> 00:31:52,578 It was a real reversal, in some ways, for young women 675 00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:55,956 who were feeling more and more empowered. 676 00:31:55,998 --> 00:31:59,126 CHERYL: These girls were all becoming educated. 677 00:31:59,168 --> 00:32:01,587 They were becoming powerful young women 678 00:32:01,629 --> 00:32:03,672 and getting to the point with an education 679 00:32:03,714 --> 00:32:07,426 that they could make a difference in the world. 680 00:32:07,468 --> 00:32:09,970 PY: You're starting to feel like you can do anything, 681 00:32:10,012 --> 00:32:11,680 and all of a sudden, 682 00:32:11,722 --> 00:32:16,226 you get walloped 683 00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:19,897 by this sense of helplessness. 684 00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:23,108 The attendance in my class tripled. 685 00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:26,779 I was teaching one class three times a week-- 686 00:32:26,820 --> 00:32:29,615 I ended up teaching three times a day, 687 00:32:29,657 --> 00:32:32,242 five days a week, and two on Saturday, 688 00:32:32,284 --> 00:32:34,578 until there were so many classes 689 00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:38,165 I couldn't teach them all. 690 00:32:38,207 --> 00:32:39,541 ELIZABETH: The first couple of years, 691 00:32:39,583 --> 00:32:41,877 things were going really splendidly, 692 00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:44,380 but he wasn't ready to commit. 693 00:32:44,421 --> 00:32:46,298 Ted didn't want to get married, 694 00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:47,883 even though I was bugging him all the time 695 00:32:47,925 --> 00:32:49,551 to commit to me. 696 00:32:49,593 --> 00:32:52,262 Every time it started to get weird with Ted, 697 00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:55,099 I convinced myself that the problem was me. 698 00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:58,477 I think it had a lot to do with self-esteem. 699 00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:03,023 So I was really perplexed about what was going on. 700 00:33:03,065 --> 00:33:04,358 Things were just plain weird 701 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,651 because he was gonna be moving away 702 00:33:05,693 --> 00:33:07,111 at the end of the summer, 703 00:33:07,152 --> 00:33:10,114 and he had applied to law school at the University of Utah, 704 00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:12,074 and got accepted, 705 00:33:12,116 --> 00:33:14,201 and it was really unclear about whether we were 706 00:33:14,243 --> 00:33:16,286 gonna move together or not. 707 00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:18,872 When I would say, "What about me coming with you?" 708 00:33:18,914 --> 00:33:20,999 He'd say, "Well, you can come if you want." 709 00:33:21,041 --> 00:33:23,711 And it was like so non-enthusiastic 710 00:33:23,752 --> 00:33:25,921 that I thought, "Oh, I don't want to." 711 00:33:25,963 --> 00:33:28,716 ♪ 712 00:33:28,757 --> 00:33:30,426 ELIZABETH: But, I mean, I fell in love with him 713 00:33:30,467 --> 00:33:33,262 from day one. 714 00:33:33,303 --> 00:33:35,139 We had several good years 715 00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:39,017 where it was just really fun and intense and wonderful, 716 00:33:39,059 --> 00:33:42,521 and I think, kind of like almost any addiction or any drug, 717 00:33:42,563 --> 00:33:45,983 you keep thinking of the first part of something, 718 00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:48,777 and you think you can get back to that state, 719 00:33:48,819 --> 00:33:50,738 whereas things started to change, 720 00:33:50,779 --> 00:33:53,115 but I still was hopeful that we would be in love 721 00:33:53,157 --> 00:33:57,161 like we were in the beginning. 722 00:33:57,202 --> 00:34:00,706 MOLLY: I was sad that we were losing him, 723 00:34:00,748 --> 00:34:02,207 because I felt that we were. 724 00:34:02,249 --> 00:34:03,709 I mean, I felt that their relationship 725 00:34:03,751 --> 00:34:05,794 had not been as close, 726 00:34:05,836 --> 00:34:07,546 and I felt that our relationship 727 00:34:07,588 --> 00:34:13,385 had taken this really horrid turn. 728 00:34:13,427 --> 00:34:17,347 [sighs] 729 00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:21,393 MOLLY: I remember we were playing hide 'n go seek, 730 00:34:21,435 --> 00:34:23,395 is how this started. 731 00:34:23,437 --> 00:34:25,689 He had hid under a blanket, 732 00:34:25,731 --> 00:34:28,609 and I came out to the living room, 733 00:34:28,650 --> 00:34:30,152 and I pulled the blanket off him, 734 00:34:30,194 --> 00:34:31,153 and he's naked. 735 00:34:31,195 --> 00:34:34,531 And I say, in shock, "You're naked," 736 00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:38,952 and he says, "Well, yeah, that's because I can turn invisible, 737 00:34:38,994 --> 00:34:43,749 "but my clothes can't, and I didn't want you to see me." 738 00:34:43,791 --> 00:34:45,250 And I'm chewing on that, 739 00:34:45,292 --> 00:34:48,086 but he's running back to the place you touch not to be it, 740 00:34:48,128 --> 00:34:49,671 and I have to kind of just give up 741 00:34:49,713 --> 00:34:51,048 because I don't want to be it, 742 00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:53,050 and I'm running, and I'm thinking, 743 00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:56,845 and it just devolved from there. 744 00:34:59,139 --> 00:35:01,558 But my charitable child explanation 745 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,227 I wanted to give him 746 00:35:03,268 --> 00:35:06,271 was that he got carried away with the fun of the game. 747 00:35:06,313 --> 00:35:08,774 That he always broke rules in these various ways, 748 00:35:08,816 --> 00:35:10,275 and that this was just another way 749 00:35:10,317 --> 00:35:15,781 he just wasn't really like other grownups. 750 00:35:15,823 --> 00:35:18,116 INTERVIEWER: Did you tell your mom? 751 00:35:18,158 --> 00:35:19,535 MOLLY: No. 752 00:35:19,576 --> 00:35:24,248 It wasn't until many years later that I told her. 753 00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:28,794 I didn't want Ted to get in trouble. 754 00:35:28,836 --> 00:35:31,755 I didn't want him to have to go away. 755 00:35:31,797 --> 00:35:35,175 I didn't want him to be banished, 756 00:35:35,217 --> 00:35:39,304 which I was sure that he would have been. 757 00:35:41,014 --> 00:35:43,934 And I didn't want to see my mom hurt. 758 00:35:43,976 --> 00:35:48,814 ♪ 759 00:35:48,856 --> 00:35:53,861 ♪ 760 00:35:53,902 --> 00:35:56,655 ♪ 761 00:35:56,697 --> 00:35:59,449 ♪ 762 00:35:59,491 --> 00:36:02,160 ELIZABETH: Many times we'd gone over to the Yakima River, 763 00:36:02,202 --> 00:36:04,621 and floated down the river, 764 00:36:04,663 --> 00:36:08,375 so we were doing it again on a warm, sunny day. 765 00:36:08,417 --> 00:36:09,710 So we were just floating along. 766 00:36:09,751 --> 00:36:12,671 It was just beautiful, serene. 767 00:36:12,713 --> 00:36:17,259 And I was sitting on the edge of the raft, 768 00:36:17,301 --> 00:36:19,303 and without warning, he just popped up 769 00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:22,639 and pushed me by the shoulders, pushed me off the raft. 770 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:29,438 ELIZABETH: I was breathless 771 00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:32,316 because it was so cold, and it was so unexpected. 772 00:36:32,357 --> 00:36:33,984 I was so shocked that he did that, 773 00:36:34,026 --> 00:36:37,112 I just, fortunately, grabbed a rope that was hanging loose 774 00:36:37,154 --> 00:36:40,157 on the raft, so that he didn't float away from me. 775 00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:43,702 And when I looked at him, he looked like just vacant. 776 00:36:43,744 --> 00:36:46,622 It was the strangest look, like he was looking through me. 777 00:36:46,663 --> 00:36:49,750 Didn't reach out to help me back in. 778 00:36:49,791 --> 00:36:54,129 It was like he was far, far away in his head. 779 00:36:54,171 --> 00:36:56,965 It was really, really disturbing. 780 00:36:57,007 --> 00:37:00,552 ♪ 781 00:37:00,594 --> 00:37:04,806 ♪ 782 00:37:04,848 --> 00:37:08,101 ♪ 783 00:37:08,143 --> 00:37:09,686 [indistinct children's voices] 784 00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:14,232 [people cheering] 785 00:37:14,274 --> 00:37:16,526 STEVEN: Lake Sammamish was, up into the 60s, 786 00:37:16,568 --> 00:37:20,572 it was a pretty kind of remote, idyllic place. 787 00:37:20,614 --> 00:37:24,201 It had a kind of hokey, charming, old quality to it. 788 00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:28,246 But on that day, July 14th, 789 00:37:28,288 --> 00:37:31,959 anybody who knows Seattle knows that when the sun is shining, 790 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,920 and it's a beautiful day, people want to be outside. 791 00:37:34,962 --> 00:37:36,380 And they came in droves that day. 792 00:37:36,421 --> 00:37:38,548 There were something like 40,000 people there that day. 793 00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:42,636 [people cheering] 794 00:37:42,678 --> 00:37:46,765 [people cheering] 795 00:37:46,807 --> 00:37:50,519 ♪ 796 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,104 ♪ 797 00:37:52,145 --> 00:37:54,564 KELLY: I notice a guy that was walking down the beach, 798 00:37:54,606 --> 00:37:58,026 a young man, probably in his mid to late 20s. 799 00:37:58,068 --> 00:38:01,196 He was wearing white shorts, 800 00:38:01,238 --> 00:38:02,656 and it had a red stripe, 801 00:38:02,698 --> 00:38:04,741 which immediately caught my eye. 802 00:38:04,783 --> 00:38:06,576 When he got closer, of course, then I noticed he had 803 00:38:06,618 --> 00:38:11,081 really curly hair, and his left arm was in a sling. 804 00:38:11,123 --> 00:38:13,458 It piqued my interest because every time 805 00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:15,877 he approached any particular woman, 806 00:38:15,919 --> 00:38:17,838 or group of two or three women, 807 00:38:17,879 --> 00:38:20,257 he was getting turned down, 808 00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:23,552 and I just kept watching him, and he eventually ended up 809 00:38:23,593 --> 00:38:26,555 being literally right in front of me, 810 00:38:26,596 --> 00:38:28,640 and approached a young girl. 811 00:38:28,682 --> 00:38:31,351 ♪ 812 00:38:31,393 --> 00:38:33,645 ♪ 813 00:38:33,687 --> 00:38:37,274 KELLY: She was a young, attractive, blond girl, 814 00:38:37,315 --> 00:38:40,944 and he asked her words to the effect, 815 00:38:40,986 --> 00:38:43,155 "I need some help." 816 00:38:43,196 --> 00:38:46,575 ♪ 817 00:38:46,616 --> 00:38:49,244 KELLY: She's saying, "I just got here," kind of a thing, 818 00:38:49,286 --> 00:38:52,789 so obviously, going through her mind is, you know, 819 00:38:52,831 --> 00:38:54,624 "I'd like to help you out, but, you know, 820 00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:56,293 "I'm here to relax." 821 00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:58,587 He kept on and on and on, 822 00:38:58,628 --> 00:39:01,715 and he talks her into whatever he talked her into. 823 00:39:01,757 --> 00:39:04,676 He said something about a catamaran, 824 00:39:04,718 --> 00:39:08,263 and ultimately, she gets up, reluctantly, 825 00:39:08,305 --> 00:39:10,223 because she's like head down, 826 00:39:10,265 --> 00:39:12,642 and I can't believe I'm doing this, 827 00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:16,521 and then started walking back past me. 828 00:39:16,563 --> 00:39:19,858 She had this frown on her face like, you know, 829 00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:21,860 I'm helping this guy when I should be just, 830 00:39:21,902 --> 00:39:24,279 you know, enjoying myself on the beach. 831 00:39:24,321 --> 00:39:26,907 And the end result is she's no longer with us 832 00:39:26,948 --> 00:39:29,868 because of her being a nice person. 833 00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:34,206 ♪ 834 00:39:34,247 --> 00:39:38,627 ♪ 835 00:39:38,668 --> 00:39:41,671 ♪ 836 00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:44,508 DICK: Later on that day, Denise Naslund, 837 00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:46,343 she had just gone to the bathroom, 838 00:39:46,384 --> 00:39:50,180 and she had her boyfriend there, along with other people, 839 00:39:50,222 --> 00:39:52,224 and why she would just disappear like this, 840 00:39:52,265 --> 00:39:54,518 and not show up, something was wrong. 841 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,145 [police radios] 842 00:39:57,187 --> 00:40:01,358 ♪ 843 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:06,905 ♪ 844 00:40:06,947 --> 00:40:10,909 ♪ 845 00:40:10,951 --> 00:40:13,203 [phone ringing] 846 00:40:13,245 --> 00:40:15,497 ELIZABETH: I was in the shower when he called me. 847 00:40:15,539 --> 00:40:18,834 It was the weekend after we'd gone rafting, 848 00:40:18,875 --> 00:40:21,461 and so I was mad at him for what he did, 849 00:40:21,503 --> 00:40:23,797 although we were starting to talk again, 850 00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:26,341 and he was all chipper sounding, 851 00:40:26,383 --> 00:40:28,593 and he said, "Do you want to go eat something?" 852 00:40:28,635 --> 00:40:30,554 And I said, "Okay." 853 00:40:30,595 --> 00:40:31,805 I thought it was kind of odd 854 00:40:31,847 --> 00:40:34,141 because we still weren't getting along really well. 855 00:40:34,182 --> 00:40:36,143 He came right over, and I got dressed, 856 00:40:36,184 --> 00:40:39,771 and we went to this bowling alley and ate hamburgers. 857 00:40:39,813 --> 00:40:41,731 That's when I noticed that his eyes 858 00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:44,151 were really close together, you know? 859 00:40:44,192 --> 00:40:46,528 His eyes, the weekend before, 860 00:40:46,570 --> 00:40:48,321 had been really weird, 861 00:40:48,363 --> 00:40:50,240 and then they were really weird again. 862 00:40:50,282 --> 00:40:53,702 And of course I didn't think anything of it. 863 00:40:53,743 --> 00:40:55,328 Then he wanted to go home and sleep 864 00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:56,830 because he was feeling sick, 865 00:40:56,872 --> 00:40:59,332 and in hindsight, I always thought that was really odd. 866 00:40:59,374 --> 00:41:01,793 [sound of helicopters] 867 00:41:01,835 --> 00:41:04,171 ♪ 868 00:41:04,212 --> 00:41:07,424 KATHLEEN: People were just shocked that there could be 869 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:10,719 two abductions within hours of each other, 870 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,554 from a crowded space. 871 00:41:12,596 --> 00:41:14,306 What happened here? 872 00:41:14,347 --> 00:41:17,684 ♪ 873 00:41:17,726 --> 00:41:19,561 ♪ 874 00:41:19,603 --> 00:41:21,146 ANNOUNCER: As with all searches of this kind, 875 00:41:21,188 --> 00:41:22,981 the police and the searchers have to contend 876 00:41:23,023 --> 00:41:25,400 with the grim idea that there might have been foul play. 877 00:41:25,442 --> 00:41:27,235 But there really are no clues, 878 00:41:27,277 --> 00:41:31,031 no theories as to the disappearance of the two girls. 879 00:41:31,072 --> 00:41:33,158 DONALD: We recognize the tremendous job 880 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,328 that all of the police officials have been doing 881 00:41:36,369 --> 00:41:39,164 in this area, the search and rescue units. 882 00:41:39,206 --> 00:41:42,042 Everyone has just been tremendous. 883 00:41:42,083 --> 00:41:47,422 But if the addition of individuals and private groups, 884 00:41:47,464 --> 00:41:50,300 the information that they might be able to get 885 00:41:50,342 --> 00:41:52,135 that would be helpful, 886 00:41:52,177 --> 00:41:54,179 can help with the return of our daughter, 887 00:41:54,221 --> 00:41:56,681 we would do anything to facilitate that. 888 00:41:56,723 --> 00:41:59,351 She's a beautiful, wonderful girl. 889 00:42:02,687 --> 00:42:04,648 DETECTIVE: So far, we've gotten a few leads, 890 00:42:04,689 --> 00:42:06,233 and a few volunteers who apparently 891 00:42:06,274 --> 00:42:08,276 have seen these girls have come forward. 892 00:42:08,318 --> 00:42:11,154 STEVEN: There were a potential 40,000 witnesses to this, 893 00:42:11,196 --> 00:42:13,114 and many of them saw or overheard 894 00:42:13,156 --> 00:42:14,616 or were approached themselves. 895 00:42:14,658 --> 00:42:16,201 He would approach someone and say, 896 00:42:16,243 --> 00:42:18,328 "Hi, my name is Ted." 897 00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:20,580 ♪ 898 00:42:20,622 --> 00:42:22,165 KATHLEEN: The individual had been overheard saying 899 00:42:22,207 --> 00:42:23,416 his name was Ted, 900 00:42:23,458 --> 00:42:27,212 so all of the sudden, our suspect had a nickname. 901 00:42:27,254 --> 00:42:30,006 ♪ 902 00:42:30,048 --> 00:42:32,008 CHERYL: After Lake Sammamish, 903 00:42:32,050 --> 00:42:35,178 I went to the campus newspaper 904 00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:38,306 and took in the sketches of Ted, 905 00:42:38,348 --> 00:42:41,518 and they did a full page of his face, 906 00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,103 said, "Have you seen this man?" 907 00:42:43,144 --> 00:42:45,647 And he may have been in Ellensburg 908 00:42:45,689 --> 00:42:50,610 the day or maybe the day after that that was in the newspaper. 909 00:42:50,652 --> 00:42:53,113 A young woman ran into my office, 910 00:42:53,154 --> 00:42:55,198 and was pounding on the newspaper, 911 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,826 "I've seen him, I've seen him, I've seen him." 912 00:42:57,867 --> 00:43:00,537 And then she tells me there's another young woman. 913 00:43:00,578 --> 00:43:03,581 It was the same day that Susan Rancourt disappeared 914 00:43:03,623 --> 00:43:05,375 from the library. 915 00:43:05,417 --> 00:43:07,752 She said that she was approached by a man 916 00:43:07,794 --> 00:43:09,504 that looked like the sketch, 917 00:43:09,546 --> 00:43:13,925 and that he had a bandage on his arm, or a cast. 918 00:43:13,967 --> 00:43:16,970 They weren't coincidental. They were planned. 919 00:43:17,012 --> 00:43:21,558 And that was the first time that I had concrete evidence 920 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:25,478 that these were all related. 921 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,231 ♪ 922 00:43:28,273 --> 00:43:29,733 PHYLLIS: I used to get phone calls from the detectives 923 00:43:29,774 --> 00:43:31,109 about Georgann. 924 00:43:31,151 --> 00:43:35,113 And it was right after the Lake Sammamish incidents, 925 00:43:35,155 --> 00:43:37,824 and once it came out that they were missing, 926 00:43:37,866 --> 00:43:40,201 and they talked about this cast thing 927 00:43:40,243 --> 00:43:42,203 and needing assistance, 928 00:43:42,245 --> 00:43:46,958 I just thought, "Wow, I wonder if that was him." 929 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,586 The thing that got me is, "Can you help me?" 930 00:43:49,627 --> 00:43:51,921 "I can't get this up there, can you help me?" 931 00:43:51,963 --> 00:43:54,674 And that's exactly what he said to me. 932 00:43:54,716 --> 00:43:57,260 DONNA: I was brought in to this case 933 00:43:57,302 --> 00:44:00,722 after the women went missing at the state park 934 00:44:00,764 --> 00:44:03,767 because I was involved then in a national project 935 00:44:03,808 --> 00:44:06,019 on rape and violence, 936 00:44:06,061 --> 00:44:09,022 and was asked, along with another psychologist 937 00:44:09,064 --> 00:44:10,940 from the Seattle Police Department, 938 00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:14,986 to do a profile based on evidence 939 00:44:15,028 --> 00:44:17,530 we were looking at at that point. 940 00:44:17,572 --> 00:44:19,866 I thought that he was manipulative. 941 00:44:19,908 --> 00:44:21,076 I thought he was from the middle, 942 00:44:21,117 --> 00:44:22,952 maybe even upper, class. 943 00:44:22,994 --> 00:44:27,457 I thought that most of his world revolved around women, 944 00:44:27,499 --> 00:44:28,958 and he was after a type, 945 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,463 but the type is related more to the inexperience, naivete, 946 00:44:33,505 --> 00:44:36,049 rather than the sexuality or high probability 947 00:44:36,091 --> 00:44:38,635 of consensual sexual intercourse. 948 00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:40,470 He wasn't looking for consent. 949 00:44:40,512 --> 00:44:44,724 He was looking to overcome and overpower these women. 950 00:44:44,766 --> 00:44:47,102 ♪ 951 00:44:47,143 --> 00:44:48,770 DONNA: We believed his name was Ted. 952 00:44:48,812 --> 00:44:50,563 The killer was Ted. 953 00:44:50,605 --> 00:44:54,401 But Ted was not a common West Coast name. 954 00:44:54,442 --> 00:44:56,486 I had an intern at the time, 955 00:44:56,528 --> 00:44:58,488 we both agreed we only knew one Ted, 956 00:44:58,530 --> 00:45:00,407 and that was Ted Bundy, 957 00:45:00,448 --> 00:45:03,076 and we just went right on with our conversation. 958 00:45:03,118 --> 00:45:06,746 That was just not even in our minds, 959 00:45:06,788 --> 00:45:08,123 not at all. 960 00:45:08,164 --> 00:45:10,500 Just not-- didn't twig to it. 961 00:45:10,542 --> 00:45:12,502 I'm still carrying that around. 962 00:45:12,544 --> 00:45:16,798 ♪ 963 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,759 JOEL: When I first saw the police artist's sketch, 964 00:45:19,801 --> 00:45:23,805 that's when I said, 965 00:45:23,847 --> 00:45:25,265 "Oh my god... 966 00:45:25,306 --> 00:45:28,852 "That looks like somebody who was in my class. 967 00:45:28,893 --> 00:45:33,815 "It looks like him, but it can't be him." 968 00:45:33,857 --> 00:45:37,068 And my first thought was it was my duty, 969 00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:41,114 both to the authorities and to him, 970 00:45:41,156 --> 00:45:43,700 to get it cleared up. 971 00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:47,203 I called the King County Sheriff's Department 972 00:45:47,245 --> 00:45:49,581 because there was a hotline set up, 973 00:45:49,622 --> 00:45:52,709 and they were interested in the fact that it had been 974 00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:55,086 an abnormal psych course, 975 00:45:55,128 --> 00:45:58,047 and they wanted to know more about 976 00:45:58,089 --> 00:45:59,340 his behaviour in the course, 977 00:45:59,382 --> 00:46:02,677 and whether he showed any abnormal behavior. 978 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,054 And I said, "No." 979 00:46:05,096 --> 00:46:08,516 And they said, "Well, did he act really strange?" 980 00:46:08,558 --> 00:46:12,353 And I said, "No, not at all." 981 00:46:12,395 --> 00:46:15,190 There was nothing, nothing that I could see. 982 00:46:17,233 --> 00:46:21,362 ROBERT: The morning when that front page composite came out, 983 00:46:21,404 --> 00:46:25,074 the foreman showed up at work, 984 00:46:25,116 --> 00:46:26,534 and he showed me, 985 00:46:26,576 --> 00:46:28,495 and I scrutinized that thing, 986 00:46:28,536 --> 00:46:30,580 and looked from different angles. 987 00:46:30,622 --> 00:46:33,750 I couldn't see anybody that I knew. 988 00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:35,543 And then about 20 minutes later, 989 00:46:35,585 --> 00:46:38,254 he walked over to Liz, 990 00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:41,132 and he dropped that paper in front of her. 991 00:46:41,174 --> 00:46:44,093 And Liz turned white. 992 00:46:44,135 --> 00:46:47,680 The blood just drained right out of her face. 993 00:46:47,722 --> 00:46:49,682 ELIZABETH: And he'd underlined the name "Ted," 994 00:46:49,724 --> 00:46:53,061 and said, "Does this look like somebody you know?" 995 00:46:53,102 --> 00:46:56,439 And... it did. 996 00:46:56,481 --> 00:47:00,276 It looked like my Ted. 997 00:47:00,318 --> 00:47:02,987 And I just tried to brush it off, 998 00:47:03,029 --> 00:47:05,532 but I was really gripped by fear. 999 00:47:05,573 --> 00:47:07,825 Like, there's something wrong here. 1000 00:47:07,867 --> 00:47:09,911 I looked at it over and over and over again, 1001 00:47:09,953 --> 00:47:11,037 and when I got home, 1002 00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:12,997 I started going through my photo albums, 1003 00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:16,167 and pulled out a picture of Ted that looked very similar. 1004 00:47:16,209 --> 00:47:18,670 Like, the jawline was the same. 1005 00:47:18,711 --> 00:47:22,257 And I took the picture and went down to my friend 1006 00:47:22,298 --> 00:47:24,926 and showed her, and we both were kind of stunned 1007 00:47:24,968 --> 00:47:27,470 by how much it looked like Ted. 1008 00:47:27,512 --> 00:47:31,599 ♪ 1009 00:47:31,641 --> 00:47:33,309 ELIZABETH: She said to me, "You don't go with somebody 1010 00:47:33,351 --> 00:47:36,062 "for four years and not know what they're about. 1011 00:47:36,104 --> 00:47:39,607 "How could you even think that?" 1012 00:47:39,649 --> 00:47:41,526 But there are all these coincidences. 1013 00:47:41,568 --> 00:47:43,486 Like, I couldn't let it go. 1014 00:47:43,528 --> 00:47:45,697 ♪ 1015 00:47:45,738 --> 00:47:47,115 ELIZABETH: I also read in the paper 1016 00:47:47,156 --> 00:47:51,452 that some witnesses from the abduction of Georgann Hawkins 1017 00:47:51,494 --> 00:47:56,082 had encountered a man with crutches. 1018 00:47:56,124 --> 00:47:57,375 I was so shocked. 1019 00:47:57,417 --> 00:47:59,669 I'd seen crutches in Ted's room. 1020 00:47:59,711 --> 00:48:01,879 And so it's like, "Oh, no." 1021 00:48:01,921 --> 00:48:04,299 ♪ 1022 00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:06,175 ELIZABETH: I was, moment by moment, 1023 00:48:06,217 --> 00:48:08,386 having my mind switch around. 1024 00:48:08,428 --> 00:48:11,097 Like, could he be doing these things? 1025 00:48:11,139 --> 00:48:12,765 It made no sense whatsoever. 1026 00:48:12,807 --> 00:48:17,395 ♪ 1027 00:48:17,437 --> 00:48:21,524 ♪ 1028 00:48:21,566 --> 00:48:25,570 ♪ 1029 00:48:25,612 --> 00:48:29,157 ♪ 1030 00:48:29,198 --> 00:48:32,619 ♪ 1031 00:48:32,660 --> 00:48:35,371 ♪