1 00:00:06,465 --> 00:00:09,844 ♪ 2 00:00:09,885 --> 00:00:12,930 ♪ 3 00:00:12,972 --> 00:00:14,265 ELIZABETH: There was a composite picture 4 00:00:14,348 --> 00:00:16,350 in the paper of the suspect. 5 00:00:16,392 --> 00:00:19,854 I looked at it over and over and over again. 6 00:00:19,895 --> 00:00:22,148 I was really gripped by fear. 7 00:00:22,189 --> 00:00:24,650 I couldn't let it go. 8 00:00:24,692 --> 00:00:27,027 So I took the picture 9 00:00:27,069 --> 00:00:29,155 and went down to my friend and showed her, 10 00:00:29,196 --> 00:00:30,948 and we both were kind of stunned 11 00:00:30,990 --> 00:00:33,159 by how much it looked like Ted. 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,620 So she and I called the police anonymously 13 00:00:36,662 --> 00:00:39,665 from a telephone booth and asked them, 14 00:00:39,707 --> 00:00:41,917 "Did he have a watch on his right arm?" 15 00:00:41,959 --> 00:00:44,503 Because Ted wore his watch on his right wrist. 16 00:00:44,545 --> 00:00:47,798 And they said, "Well, nobody's reported that." 17 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,551 So we asked them, "Is the Volkswagen really bronze?" 18 00:00:50,593 --> 00:00:53,637 Because his car was very dull brown, 19 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:55,681 and they said yes, it was bronze, 20 00:00:55,723 --> 00:00:58,309 so it was like, "Oh, phew, that's not my Ted, then." 21 00:00:58,350 --> 00:01:01,353 ♪ 22 00:01:01,395 --> 00:01:02,646 ELIZABETH: After I took my friend home, 23 00:01:02,688 --> 00:01:05,524 I went over to Ted's house. 24 00:01:05,566 --> 00:01:08,486 And we laid on his floor and talked, 25 00:01:08,527 --> 00:01:10,780 and he was just Ted. 26 00:01:10,821 --> 00:01:14,033 I felt crazy, like, "Why would I even think this?" 27 00:01:14,074 --> 00:01:15,743 'Cause I'd had four years with this man. 28 00:01:15,785 --> 00:01:20,915 I knew that he wasn't capable of doing these things. 29 00:01:20,956 --> 00:01:22,708 INTERVIEWER: And yet... 30 00:01:22,750 --> 00:01:25,669 ELIZABETH: It turns out that he was. 31 00:01:25,711 --> 00:01:28,672 ♪ 32 00:01:28,714 --> 00:01:33,886 ♪ Poses, poses ♪ 33 00:01:33,928 --> 00:01:39,892 ♪ That's all you are to me ♪ 34 00:01:39,934 --> 00:01:45,314 ♪ Roses, roses ♪ 35 00:01:45,356 --> 00:01:51,028 ♪ That's all you're offering me ♪ 36 00:01:51,070 --> 00:01:55,032 ♪ 37 00:01:56,450 --> 00:02:01,413 ♪ 38 00:02:01,455 --> 00:02:05,543 ♪ 39 00:02:05,584 --> 00:02:10,381 ♪ 40 00:02:10,422 --> 00:02:13,551 ♪ 41 00:02:13,592 --> 00:02:17,471 ♪ 42 00:02:17,513 --> 00:02:19,807 DICK: It was some grouse hunters. 43 00:02:19,849 --> 00:02:22,059 They were hunting grouse in the area, 44 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:25,896 and they found one of the skulls there. 45 00:02:25,896 --> 00:02:28,732 With the proximity to the Sammamish Park, 46 00:02:28,774 --> 00:02:31,944 I felt that it was definitely going to be something big. 47 00:02:31,986 --> 00:02:34,530 ♪ 48 00:02:34,572 --> 00:02:36,323 DONNA: I had been a lifeguard at that state park 49 00:02:36,365 --> 00:02:37,575 for three years, 50 00:02:37,616 --> 00:02:41,871 and had lived very close to where the crime scene was, 51 00:02:41,912 --> 00:02:45,541 and so I knew that area extremely well. 52 00:02:45,583 --> 00:02:48,502 Both Ott and Naslund, 53 00:02:48,544 --> 00:02:51,255 the two women that were taken from Lake Sammamish, 54 00:02:51,297 --> 00:02:53,382 were found there. 55 00:02:53,424 --> 00:02:57,678 ♪ 56 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,222 ROBERT: We had them on their hands and knees, 57 00:03:00,264 --> 00:03:01,849 shoulder to shoulder, 58 00:03:01,891 --> 00:03:07,897 going through weeds in the grass. 59 00:03:07,938 --> 00:03:11,317 With Janice Ott, we found her lower jawbone, 60 00:03:11,358 --> 00:03:12,693 so we knew that was her. 61 00:03:12,735 --> 00:03:15,195 And with Denise Naslund, we found her skull 62 00:03:15,237 --> 00:03:19,116 and her jawbone, so we knew that was her. 63 00:03:19,158 --> 00:03:23,245 We found four different femur bones. 64 00:03:23,287 --> 00:03:25,873 So who were the other two? We didn't know. 65 00:03:25,915 --> 00:03:29,043 We suspected that it might be Georgann Hawkins. 66 00:03:29,084 --> 00:03:33,088 But we had not other identifiable parts. 67 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:36,425 ♪ 68 00:03:36,467 --> 00:03:39,386 ELIZABETH: Ted had moved to Utah. 69 00:03:39,428 --> 00:03:43,891 He was going to law school at the University of Utah. 70 00:03:43,933 --> 00:03:47,770 We were trying to have a long distance relationship. 71 00:03:47,811 --> 00:03:50,481 Even though I was still suspicious of him, 72 00:03:50,522 --> 00:03:53,150 I liked being around him because he was just his regular self 73 00:03:53,192 --> 00:03:57,321 and my fears would dissipate. 74 00:03:57,363 --> 00:04:01,241 I really wanted him to ask me to go with him, 75 00:04:01,283 --> 00:04:03,452 and it was really unclear about whether we were going to 76 00:04:03,494 --> 00:04:06,038 move together or not. 77 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,625 And so things were just... 78 00:04:09,667 --> 00:04:13,587 they felt out of step. 79 00:04:14,588 --> 00:04:19,551 ANNOUNCER: NewsWatch 2 at 6. 80 00:04:19,593 --> 00:04:21,595 BARBARA: I was a reporter at KUTV, 81 00:04:21,637 --> 00:04:23,931 the NBC station at that time. 82 00:04:23,973 --> 00:04:27,267 I was the first female television reporter there. 83 00:04:27,309 --> 00:04:28,519 MAN: Standby, here we go. 84 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,562 [newsroom chatter] 85 00:04:30,604 --> 00:04:32,314 BARBARA: I spent my life in Utah 86 00:04:32,356 --> 00:04:35,484 pushing into a male-dominated world. 87 00:04:35,526 --> 00:04:36,694 BARBARA [ARCHIVE]: Let's see. 88 00:04:36,735 --> 00:04:38,946 BARBARA: I didn't focus on the fact that I was 89 00:04:38,988 --> 00:04:40,614 the only female out there. 90 00:04:40,656 --> 00:04:41,865 BARBARA [ARCHIVE]: What am I saying? 91 00:04:41,907 --> 00:04:43,784 BARBARA: I loved my job more than life itself, 92 00:04:43,826 --> 00:04:46,996 and I just put my head down and did my job. 93 00:04:47,037 --> 00:04:48,539 REPORTER: Heavy snow landed on travellers 94 00:04:48,580 --> 00:04:49,957 in the Midwest. 95 00:04:49,999 --> 00:04:51,500 REPORTER 2: Got a couple of months with real heavy snowfall. 96 00:04:51,542 --> 00:04:53,460 BILL: We had a number of ball games today. 97 00:04:53,502 --> 00:04:55,379 SANDI: This is Sandi Gilmour, NewsWatch 2. 98 00:04:55,421 --> 00:04:57,589 BARBARA: Barbara Grossman, NewsWatch 2, 99 00:04:57,631 --> 00:04:59,383 at the Salt Lake Hall of Justice. 100 00:04:59,425 --> 00:05:01,468 BARBARA: For a female to come out and have 101 00:05:01,510 --> 00:05:05,639 as visible of a job that I had 102 00:05:05,681 --> 00:05:07,349 and obviously wasn't Mormon, 103 00:05:07,391 --> 00:05:09,226 with the last name of Grossman, 104 00:05:09,268 --> 00:05:11,562 it was challenging. 105 00:05:11,603 --> 00:05:13,814 NEWS ANCHOR: Our reporter Barbara Grossman has covered... 106 00:05:13,856 --> 00:05:16,191 BARBARA: When Senator Hubert Humphrey came to town 107 00:05:16,233 --> 00:05:17,901 there was a press conference, 108 00:05:17,943 --> 00:05:21,864 and I kept trying to ask my questions, 109 00:05:21,905 --> 00:05:23,949 and the male reporters there 110 00:05:23,991 --> 00:05:26,827 wouldn't let me interject my questions. 111 00:05:26,869 --> 00:05:28,328 And after a while Senator Humphrey 112 00:05:28,370 --> 00:05:32,249 stopped the press conference and said, 113 00:05:32,291 --> 00:05:34,460 "Gentlemen, I'm going to teach you a lesson, 114 00:05:34,501 --> 00:05:37,171 "and that is women have the same rights as men. 115 00:05:37,212 --> 00:05:40,215 "So you all need to sit down and let this young lady 116 00:05:40,257 --> 00:05:41,508 "ask her questions." 117 00:05:41,550 --> 00:05:43,719 I mean, I always knew in my heart I was equal, 118 00:05:43,761 --> 00:05:46,472 but boy, that gave me ammunition. 119 00:05:46,513 --> 00:05:48,640 NEWS ANCHOR: Thank you very much Barbara. 120 00:05:48,682 --> 00:05:51,393 NEWS ANCHOR 2: An update on Utah's drought picture. 121 00:05:51,435 --> 00:05:53,437 NEWS ANCHOR: And we'll have the reasons 122 00:05:53,479 --> 00:05:55,939 why Utah's Humane Society director resigned. 123 00:05:55,981 --> 00:05:56,982 That's coming up. 124 00:05:58,275 --> 00:06:00,444 BARBARA: You know, there aren't a lot of big stories, 125 00:06:00,486 --> 00:06:02,946 especially back then, that happened in Salt Lake City. 126 00:06:02,988 --> 00:06:05,616 And then it was like, "Whoa," you know? 127 00:06:05,657 --> 00:06:08,368 "Here we are and girls are disappearing." 128 00:06:08,410 --> 00:06:10,287 It seemed to be like every Friday night. 129 00:06:10,329 --> 00:06:14,291 There was a pattern, and people were frightened. 130 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:17,044 These girls being taken off the streets. 131 00:06:17,086 --> 00:06:20,380 ♪ 132 00:06:20,422 --> 00:06:22,216 ♪ 133 00:06:22,257 --> 00:06:24,510 ELIZABETH: A few weeks after Ted left Seattle for Utah, 134 00:06:24,551 --> 00:06:27,346 my friend went home to visit her parents 135 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:29,098 and when I picked her up at the airport, 136 00:06:29,139 --> 00:06:31,934 the first thing she said when she got in the car was, 137 00:06:31,975 --> 00:06:33,602 "I don't want to scare you, but it's happening 138 00:06:33,644 --> 00:06:37,231 "down there in Utah." 139 00:06:37,272 --> 00:06:39,024 She heard on the car radio 140 00:06:39,066 --> 00:06:44,113 the Police Chief of Midvale's daughter had been missing 141 00:06:44,154 --> 00:06:47,574 and her body had been found by deer hunters 142 00:06:47,616 --> 00:06:50,869 and the abductions had stopped here. 143 00:06:50,911 --> 00:06:52,621 There were all these coincidences. 144 00:06:52,663 --> 00:06:55,582 It's like... I couldn't let it go. 145 00:06:55,624 --> 00:07:01,713 It scared me out of my wits. 146 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:06,009 So the next day I called King County in Seattle, 147 00:07:06,051 --> 00:07:08,220 and the detective who answered the phone 148 00:07:08,262 --> 00:07:09,763 was really patient, 149 00:07:09,805 --> 00:07:14,059 because I told him in one of those big long stings of, 150 00:07:14,101 --> 00:07:16,186 I know I'm wrong, but I'm having these thoughts 151 00:07:16,228 --> 00:07:19,606 type sentences, and so he just listened. 152 00:07:19,648 --> 00:07:21,650 And I said, "Well, my boyfriend's name is Ted, 153 00:07:21,692 --> 00:07:23,193 "and he drives a Volkswagen," 154 00:07:23,235 --> 00:07:25,070 and the detective stopped me and he said, 155 00:07:25,112 --> 00:07:29,032 "Oh, you don't mean Theodore Robert Bundy, do you?" 156 00:07:29,074 --> 00:07:30,784 He said they'd already looked at him 157 00:07:30,826 --> 00:07:33,704 and just didn't think he looked like a good candidate. 158 00:07:33,745 --> 00:07:36,081 And he said, "Well, let's get together 159 00:07:36,123 --> 00:07:38,083 "and talk some more about this." 160 00:07:38,125 --> 00:07:39,751 And so I agreed to do that. 161 00:07:39,793 --> 00:07:42,045 And we went through the albums that I have 162 00:07:42,087 --> 00:07:47,134 of pictures of Ted, and he took a few. 163 00:07:47,176 --> 00:07:49,261 After I had met with him, I felt like, 164 00:07:49,303 --> 00:07:50,929 "Well, he's the pro. 165 00:07:50,971 --> 00:07:53,223 "He's gonna check it out, 166 00:07:53,265 --> 00:07:54,975 "and he'll give me the definitive answer." 167 00:07:55,017 --> 00:07:57,394 So I finally called him back and asked him 168 00:07:57,436 --> 00:08:01,440 if he'd had a chance to show those pictures to the witness. 169 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:05,235 And it was like he just couldn't remember who I was. 170 00:08:05,277 --> 00:08:08,864 You know, I'd told him all about our sex life, 171 00:08:08,906 --> 00:08:11,491 and he just kind of... 172 00:08:11,533 --> 00:08:13,535 It's like, "Who is this again?" 173 00:08:13,577 --> 00:08:16,413 It's like... and to me it was like the main-- 174 00:08:16,455 --> 00:08:18,165 it was so significant. 175 00:08:18,207 --> 00:08:20,500 To him it was just like, "Who?" 176 00:08:20,542 --> 00:08:22,211 And then he said, "Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah." 177 00:08:22,252 --> 00:08:24,379 And he said they showed the pictures to the witness. 178 00:08:24,421 --> 00:08:28,342 She went through the pile, said this man was too old. 179 00:08:28,383 --> 00:08:30,886 We were still together long distance, 180 00:08:30,928 --> 00:08:33,263 and I just thought, you know, 181 00:08:33,305 --> 00:08:34,932 the police have checked him out. 182 00:08:34,973 --> 00:08:36,475 He's not their guy, 183 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:39,686 so stop trying to convict your boyfriend 184 00:08:39,728 --> 00:08:41,897 is what I was telling myself. 185 00:08:41,939 --> 00:08:45,609 ♪ 186 00:08:45,651 --> 00:08:48,612 ROBERT: She was my secretary then, 187 00:08:48,654 --> 00:08:50,530 and so that's when I got to know Liz 188 00:08:50,572 --> 00:08:53,617 a lot better than before. 189 00:08:53,659 --> 00:08:56,536 Once in a while I would get those signs 190 00:08:56,578 --> 00:08:58,997 and little traces that she needed the little bit 191 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:03,085 of sympathy and understanding. 192 00:09:03,126 --> 00:09:04,670 And I would take her into my office, 193 00:09:04,711 --> 00:09:06,588 which was next door. 194 00:09:06,630 --> 00:09:09,925 You say, "Are you all right? Are you feeling okay?" 195 00:09:09,967 --> 00:09:12,177 She went so quiet, 196 00:09:12,219 --> 00:09:15,847 and you could tell that she didn't want to talk 197 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:19,851 and I sure didn't want to pry. 198 00:09:19,893 --> 00:09:22,896 And so... 199 00:09:22,938 --> 00:09:26,858 sad to watch it. 200 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:33,865 RICHARD: I do have pretty good recollection; 201 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:36,785 I was probably nine or ten, 202 00:09:36,827 --> 00:09:38,829 visiting with him in Utah. 203 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:40,497 You know, he was going to law school 204 00:09:40,539 --> 00:09:42,124 and he had sent me home early. 205 00:09:42,165 --> 00:09:46,003 I was really upset with him, 'cause it was out of the blue. 206 00:09:46,044 --> 00:09:47,087 He said in a way that, you know, 207 00:09:47,129 --> 00:09:49,006 "I got something really important to do. 208 00:09:49,047 --> 00:09:52,175 "I really-- yeah, things are really tough right now." 209 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:53,802 And so I dropped it. 210 00:09:53,844 --> 00:09:55,429 You know, I figured, well... 211 00:09:55,470 --> 00:09:57,931 it didn't matter what it was. 212 00:09:57,973 --> 00:10:01,018 It just upset me that, you know, "Shoot, man, 213 00:10:01,059 --> 00:10:03,437 "I was having a good time here with you," you know? 214 00:10:03,478 --> 00:10:05,981 ♪ 215 00:10:06,023 --> 00:10:08,984 RICHARD: I remember we were at the airport 216 00:10:09,026 --> 00:10:10,110 waiting to get on the plane; 217 00:10:10,152 --> 00:10:12,321 we were standing by ourselves over by a window, 218 00:10:12,362 --> 00:10:14,531 and I looked over at him, 219 00:10:14,573 --> 00:10:17,576 and he had this look on his face. 220 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:19,911 He was looking one direction 221 00:10:19,953 --> 00:10:22,122 and I was looking at his profile 222 00:10:22,164 --> 00:10:25,542 and the side of him, you know, and... 223 00:10:25,584 --> 00:10:26,835 I don't think he saw me looking at him 224 00:10:26,877 --> 00:10:31,340 'cause he... I can see this look on his face, and... 225 00:10:31,381 --> 00:10:34,426 he was horrified and disgusted about something. 226 00:10:34,468 --> 00:10:37,846 ♪ 227 00:10:37,888 --> 00:10:40,265 RICHARD: There was never any a time 228 00:10:40,307 --> 00:10:43,810 that he'd ever changed plans on me like that, 229 00:10:43,852 --> 00:10:47,856 so extremely. 230 00:10:47,898 --> 00:10:50,442 I think that he felt his urges coming on, 231 00:10:50,484 --> 00:10:53,362 knew he was about to go murder somebody, 232 00:10:53,403 --> 00:10:57,240 and he had enough responsible attitude 233 00:10:57,282 --> 00:11:01,661 to get me out of the picture so I wouldn't be... 234 00:11:01,703 --> 00:11:06,249 Yeah, involved with it. 235 00:11:06,291 --> 00:11:08,126 [exhales] 236 00:11:08,168 --> 00:11:13,131 ♪ 237 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:15,258 ♪ 238 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:16,718 CAROL: I grew up in Murray. 239 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,847 My grandmother had a 25-acre farm. 240 00:11:20,889 --> 00:11:22,891 We just spent weekends down there, 241 00:11:22,933 --> 00:11:24,768 and she had a big garden, 242 00:11:24,810 --> 00:11:28,730 and it was just wonderful. 243 00:11:28,772 --> 00:11:30,148 We did dangerous things. 244 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:33,485 We climbed up in silos that were really tall 245 00:11:33,527 --> 00:11:35,404 that we probably could have fallen off, 246 00:11:35,445 --> 00:11:37,364 and we went in caves, 247 00:11:37,406 --> 00:11:39,574 dirt caves that were in the back, 248 00:11:39,616 --> 00:11:41,535 down the hill from my grandmother's house. 249 00:11:41,576 --> 00:11:45,872 And I never worried about anyone ever harming us. 250 00:11:45,914 --> 00:11:47,958 ♪ 251 00:11:47,999 --> 00:11:50,085 CAROL: I didn't really drive in high school. 252 00:11:50,127 --> 00:11:52,504 I had a older sister that drove us everywhere 253 00:11:52,546 --> 00:11:56,341 so it was really nice to have my own car. 254 00:11:56,383 --> 00:11:59,136 It was a '74 Camaro. 255 00:11:59,177 --> 00:12:01,972 It was maroon with a black top. 256 00:12:02,013 --> 00:12:06,560 The payments were something like 63 or 67 dollars a month. 257 00:12:06,601 --> 00:12:09,396 And I got the car, and I loved it. 258 00:12:09,438 --> 00:12:10,647 I thought it was beautiful. 259 00:12:10,689 --> 00:12:12,941 I was always washing it in their big long driveway, 260 00:12:12,983 --> 00:12:14,985 and I just... I just loved it. 261 00:12:15,026 --> 00:12:18,697 ♪ 262 00:12:18,738 --> 00:12:20,991 ♪ 263 00:12:21,032 --> 00:12:22,451 CAROL: I had gotten off work, 264 00:12:22,492 --> 00:12:25,162 and decided I'd head over to the mall. 265 00:12:25,203 --> 00:12:29,166 It was dark, and kind of a drizzly night. 266 00:12:29,207 --> 00:12:31,626 I came up to a bookstore, 267 00:12:31,668 --> 00:12:35,922 and that's when a man approached me. 268 00:12:35,964 --> 00:12:39,634 I think he introduced himself as being a police officer, 269 00:12:39,676 --> 00:12:42,596 and his name was Officer Roseland. 270 00:12:42,637 --> 00:12:45,557 And he said, "Is your licence plate number..." 271 00:12:45,599 --> 00:12:47,642 and he read off my license plate number. 272 00:12:47,684 --> 00:12:50,437 I said, "Yes, that's my license plate number." 273 00:12:50,479 --> 00:12:54,274 And he said, "We caught someone trying to break into your car." 274 00:12:54,316 --> 00:12:57,152 ♪ 275 00:12:57,194 --> 00:13:00,530 CAROL: He asked me if I could go out to the car with him 276 00:13:00,572 --> 00:13:04,117 and see if anything had been taken. 277 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:07,037 We got out to my car and I opened the door 278 00:13:07,078 --> 00:13:09,164 and I could see nothing was missing. 279 00:13:09,206 --> 00:13:10,957 At that point I could kind of smell 280 00:13:10,999 --> 00:13:13,418 alcohol on his breath. 281 00:13:13,460 --> 00:13:17,589 I said, "Dp you have some kind of ID or something I can see?" 282 00:13:17,631 --> 00:13:22,010 I... just wasn't really sure about him. 283 00:13:22,052 --> 00:13:25,639 But he showed me some identification. 284 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,808 ♪ 285 00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:30,560 CAROL: I probably was trying to be nice. 286 00:13:30,602 --> 00:13:32,187 I was trying to do the right thing, 287 00:13:32,229 --> 00:13:34,105 and I was trying to be a good person, 288 00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:37,943 and he was an authority figure. 289 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:41,071 He said they've taken him down to the police station. 290 00:13:41,112 --> 00:13:42,989 If you could come down and fill out 291 00:13:43,031 --> 00:13:45,075 this complaint against him, we have him. 292 00:13:45,116 --> 00:13:47,327 So I said I would. 293 00:13:47,369 --> 00:13:48,828 We walked over to his car, 294 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:52,832 and it was a beat-up Volkswagen. 295 00:13:52,874 --> 00:13:56,545 Right when I was in the car, I knew I had made a mistake. 296 00:13:56,586 --> 00:13:59,673 Suddenly he just pulled the car over 297 00:13:59,714 --> 00:14:02,801 and it kind of went up on the side of the curb 298 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:06,638 and that's when I started absolutely freaking out. 299 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:09,808 I remember screaming at him, "What are you doing? 300 00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:11,309 "This isn't the police station. 301 00:14:11,351 --> 00:14:12,602 "What are you doing?" 302 00:14:12,644 --> 00:14:14,521 And he wasn't saying anything. 303 00:14:14,563 --> 00:14:16,398 He wasn't answering me, 304 00:14:16,439 --> 00:14:22,237 and I could tell he just changed. 305 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:24,364 I remember him pulling out a gun 306 00:14:24,406 --> 00:14:26,950 and him saying to me, "I'll blow your head off." 307 00:14:26,992 --> 00:14:29,119 And I remember thinking, "Go ahead. 308 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,831 "I'm... I'll die right here." 309 00:14:32,872 --> 00:14:35,250 I think back then you were told 310 00:14:35,292 --> 00:14:37,711 not to fight off your attacker. 311 00:14:37,752 --> 00:14:38,962 If you were being raped, 312 00:14:39,004 --> 00:14:41,423 if you tried to fight him off it'd make him mad. 313 00:14:41,464 --> 00:14:45,302 Just to, you know, let it happen. 314 00:14:45,343 --> 00:14:48,054 And I was angry at him 315 00:14:48,096 --> 00:14:51,683 for him thinking he could do something like that to me. 316 00:14:51,725 --> 00:14:53,560 And I remember thinking, 317 00:14:53,602 --> 00:14:57,022 "My parents are never gonna know what happened to me." 318 00:14:57,063 --> 00:14:59,190 I might've never been found. 319 00:14:59,232 --> 00:15:02,319 I just-- that was my feeling was to fight. 320 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,615 And I just had to get away with all my strength. 321 00:15:06,656 --> 00:15:08,783 I opened the passenger side 322 00:15:08,825 --> 00:15:12,662 and just fell out onto the... to the street 323 00:15:12,704 --> 00:15:15,081 and he came out after me 324 00:15:15,123 --> 00:15:16,750 out the passenger side. 325 00:15:16,791 --> 00:15:19,711 I remember feeling a crowbar in his hand-- 326 00:15:19,753 --> 00:15:22,464 he was trying to hit me over the head with it-- 327 00:15:22,505 --> 00:15:24,299 and struggling for a while, 328 00:15:24,341 --> 00:15:26,551 and then a car came along. 329 00:15:26,593 --> 00:15:28,428 I ran out into the street 330 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:30,805 and just threw open their door, 331 00:15:30,847 --> 00:15:33,892 and just jumped in on him. 332 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,353 I really don't know how I got away. 333 00:15:36,394 --> 00:15:37,812 I was so small, 334 00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:40,899 and I just think I had this strength 335 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:45,070 that just came from somewhere to get away from him. 336 00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:50,241 ♪ 337 00:15:50,283 --> 00:15:52,035 REPORTER: Debi was attending a play with her family 338 00:15:52,077 --> 00:15:53,411 at Viewmont High School 339 00:15:53,453 --> 00:15:56,289 on the night of November 8th, 1974. 340 00:15:56,331 --> 00:15:58,124 She left the play early to pick up her brother 341 00:15:58,166 --> 00:15:59,501 at an ice rink. 342 00:15:59,542 --> 00:16:01,503 Debi never got to her car. 343 00:16:01,544 --> 00:16:03,505 The hardest part, as Mrs. Kent says, 344 00:16:03,546 --> 00:16:06,549 is the heartache of not knowing. 345 00:16:06,591 --> 00:16:09,803 ♪ 346 00:16:09,844 --> 00:16:12,347 RAELYNNE: Bountiful was a very safe spot. 347 00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:14,015 I grew up in that area, 348 00:16:14,057 --> 00:16:18,311 and it was a great place to have a family. 349 00:16:18,353 --> 00:16:19,604 I had never stopped to think 350 00:16:19,646 --> 00:16:22,649 that something bad could happen to anyone that I knew. 351 00:16:22,691 --> 00:16:26,945 ♪ 352 00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:29,864 RAELYNNE: I was teaching Dance, English. 353 00:16:29,906 --> 00:16:33,743 I was involved with all of the extracurricular activities. 354 00:16:33,785 --> 00:16:37,080 We were doing a musical production of The Redhead 355 00:16:37,122 --> 00:16:39,332 and I was helping the kids in the dressing rooms, 356 00:16:39,374 --> 00:16:42,377 then I would run out and take care of the ticket office. 357 00:16:42,419 --> 00:16:44,754 And just right inside of the front doors 358 00:16:44,796 --> 00:16:46,297 to the auditorium, 359 00:16:46,339 --> 00:16:49,008 I noticed a man standing over against 360 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:51,177 what was the office at that time, 361 00:16:51,219 --> 00:16:55,515 out of place for Bountiful, very well-dressed. 362 00:16:55,557 --> 00:16:58,476 He came out into the middle of the hall and he said, 363 00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:02,439 "Has anybody ever told you you have beautiful eyes?" 364 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,984 I remember he put his hand up and he said, 365 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:10,405 "I need somebody to come out and identify this car. 366 00:17:10,447 --> 00:17:12,824 "Have you got just a second?" 367 00:17:12,866 --> 00:17:17,787 His eye contact made me very uncomfortable, 368 00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:20,373 and I had never been in the presence of anyone 369 00:17:20,415 --> 00:17:23,293 that made me feel that way before. 370 00:17:23,334 --> 00:17:25,170 And I said, "If you need some help 371 00:17:25,211 --> 00:17:29,382 I will go get some boys or some men to come and help you." 372 00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:32,969 And he said, "No, no, no. Don't need that." 373 00:17:33,011 --> 00:17:37,766 And, um, left. 374 00:17:37,807 --> 00:17:39,809 And when I got back to the dressing room 375 00:17:39,851 --> 00:17:43,980 our vice principal was at the back of the stage, 376 00:17:44,022 --> 00:17:47,150 and I said, "There's a guy standing out here. 377 00:17:47,192 --> 00:17:50,570 "Something's a little bit fishy. Don't know what it is." 378 00:17:50,612 --> 00:17:54,073 And he said, "I'll check it out and see if he needs something." 379 00:17:54,115 --> 00:17:56,534 I said, "I'd appreciate that." 380 00:17:56,576 --> 00:17:59,454 ♪ 381 00:17:59,496 --> 00:18:01,456 RAELYNNE: And later when I was sitting in the auditorium 382 00:18:01,498 --> 00:18:03,708 and he came back in, and when I saw this 383 00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:06,711 little girl get up and exit, 384 00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:11,925 well, all of a sudden he stood up and walked out. 385 00:18:11,966 --> 00:18:16,387 I never put the two together. 386 00:18:16,429 --> 00:18:20,308 ♪ 387 00:18:20,350 --> 00:18:22,018 BARBARA: The story I remember the most 388 00:18:22,060 --> 00:18:25,146 and the one that-- I hope I can keep my composure-- 389 00:18:25,188 --> 00:18:28,233 is the mom, Belva Kent. 390 00:18:28,274 --> 00:18:32,278 She turned the porch light on that night, 391 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,738 and every night, 392 00:18:33,780 --> 00:18:36,533 hoping to bring her daughter back home. 393 00:18:36,574 --> 00:18:38,701 Those are the things that... 394 00:18:38,743 --> 00:18:40,203 That's just one family. 395 00:18:40,245 --> 00:18:43,373 Think about all the other families he ripped apart. 396 00:18:43,414 --> 00:18:45,750 REPORTER: Nighttime at the Kents' home in Bountiful, 397 00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:48,002 this front porch light burns for Debi. 398 00:18:48,044 --> 00:18:50,463 Mrs. Kent vowed when her daughter disappeared, 399 00:18:50,505 --> 00:18:54,467 "I'll turn the light off only when Debi comes home." 400 00:18:54,509 --> 00:18:57,554 Michael Rawson, NewsWatch 2, Bountiful. 401 00:18:57,595 --> 00:19:01,474 RAELYNN: Because the situation with me 402 00:19:01,516 --> 00:19:08,064 ended the way it did that night... 403 00:19:08,106 --> 00:19:13,027 a little girl was murdered. 404 00:19:13,069 --> 00:19:18,575 And every day of my life for at least the next 20 years, 405 00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:20,785 I felt such guilt. 406 00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:25,874 If I had just done it a little bit differently, 407 00:19:25,915 --> 00:19:30,044 Debi Kent would still be here. 408 00:19:30,086 --> 00:19:33,798 I don't think you get over that. 409 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:38,052 ♪ 410 00:19:38,094 --> 00:19:42,974 ♪ 411 00:19:43,016 --> 00:19:44,267 ♪ 412 00:19:44,309 --> 00:19:46,936 RUTH: On January 12th, 1975, 413 00:19:46,978 --> 00:19:49,772 Caryn Campbell disappeared from the Wildwood Inn. 414 00:19:49,814 --> 00:19:51,149 Earlier that Saturday evening, 415 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:53,026 Caryn Campbell sat with her fiance, 416 00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:55,320 Dr. Raymond Gadowski, in front of a fire 417 00:19:55,361 --> 00:19:57,322 in the lobby of the Wildwood Inn. 418 00:19:57,363 --> 00:19:59,616 About 8 o'clock in the evening she caught the elevator 419 00:19:59,657 --> 00:20:01,618 to the lobby to the second floor. 420 00:20:01,659 --> 00:20:06,414 That was the last time Gadowski saw her alive. 421 00:20:06,456 --> 00:20:09,959 MICHAEL: I concluded that someone 422 00:20:10,001 --> 00:20:13,880 had approached her with some ruse, 423 00:20:13,922 --> 00:20:17,133 and she went with them peacefully. 424 00:20:17,175 --> 00:20:20,136 She vanished, and, um... 425 00:20:20,178 --> 00:20:25,850 we didn't find her until February. 426 00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:28,269 Caryn was laying there totally nude. 427 00:20:28,311 --> 00:20:33,524 She had been... she had been brutally beaten, 428 00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:39,530 raped, and left on the Owl Creek Road. 429 00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:43,701 ♪ 430 00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:46,829 MICHAEL: We didn't have anything except a dead body. 431 00:20:46,871 --> 00:20:49,040 No evidence and no leads. 432 00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:52,210 The deputy district attorney came out, he says, 433 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:55,046 "You may never find out who did this." 434 00:20:55,088 --> 00:20:58,549 ♪ 435 00:21:03,972 --> 00:21:06,057 REPORTER: The word is that both you and Seattle police 436 00:21:06,099 --> 00:21:08,101 are proceeding on the assumption 437 00:21:08,142 --> 00:21:10,019 that there are more bodies out here, 438 00:21:10,061 --> 00:21:13,690 that perhaps maybe even all of the girls might be here. 439 00:21:13,731 --> 00:21:15,650 ARMY PERSONNEL: We keep finding more and more every day. 440 00:21:15,692 --> 00:21:17,068 You get in that woods 441 00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:18,444 and you just don't know what's in there. 442 00:21:18,486 --> 00:21:22,615 It's so thick and it's so overgrown with bushes 443 00:21:22,657 --> 00:21:25,451 that you could find anything, you know, 444 00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:27,578 a couple hours from now or five minutes from now. 445 00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:28,997 It doesn't matter. 446 00:21:29,038 --> 00:21:30,957 [radio chatter] 447 00:21:30,999 --> 00:21:32,667 RESCUER: Radio check. 448 00:21:32,709 --> 00:21:34,377 [radio chatter] 449 00:21:34,419 --> 00:21:37,588 CHERYL: I was not allowed to go to Taylor Mountain. 450 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,924 I was told that because I was a girl 451 00:21:39,966 --> 00:21:44,220 I was not used to the rough terrain. 452 00:21:44,262 --> 00:21:46,764 And I was a backpacker 453 00:21:46,806 --> 00:21:48,891 and a hiker and a Girl Scout. 454 00:21:51,269 --> 00:21:53,896 I wanted to make sure 455 00:21:53,938 --> 00:21:56,065 that if it was Susan Rancourt 456 00:21:56,107 --> 00:21:59,527 that I saw her. 457 00:21:59,569 --> 00:22:02,280 I have always... 458 00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,991 carried the guilt that I couldn't have done more. 459 00:22:05,033 --> 00:22:09,245 ♪ 460 00:22:09,287 --> 00:22:13,291 ♪ 461 00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:16,753 ♪ 462 00:22:16,794 --> 00:22:18,171 LAURA: When my sister disappeared, 463 00:22:18,212 --> 00:22:21,215 my parents worked very hard, 464 00:22:21,257 --> 00:22:22,884 because there was a long time where we did not know 465 00:22:22,925 --> 00:22:24,260 what had happened to her, 466 00:22:24,302 --> 00:22:28,014 and they hired detectives and put rewards, 467 00:22:28,056 --> 00:22:30,641 and my mother really threw herself into 468 00:22:30,683 --> 00:22:33,311 anything she could do to try to figure out what happened. 469 00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:36,773 ♪ 470 00:22:36,814 --> 00:22:38,483 LAURA: You know, it was... 471 00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,777 it was hard for us to even talk about her. 472 00:22:40,818 --> 00:22:43,237 To bring her up caused so much pain 473 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:46,532 for my mother that... [crying] 474 00:22:46,574 --> 00:22:51,913 ...it's almost like we had to forget her completely. 475 00:22:51,954 --> 00:22:56,459 You... you can't remember the good times 476 00:22:56,501 --> 00:22:59,295 because that causes pain. 477 00:22:59,337 --> 00:23:01,964 So you forget. 478 00:23:02,006 --> 00:23:04,300 So my family lost not only my sister, 479 00:23:04,342 --> 00:23:07,345 we lost memories, 480 00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:11,516 because we couldn't share that because it was too painful, 481 00:23:11,557 --> 00:23:13,726 so there was a hole. 482 00:23:13,768 --> 00:23:17,480 There was a hole bigger than the loss of my sister; 483 00:23:17,522 --> 00:23:21,984 it was the hole of the happy times of my family. 484 00:23:22,026 --> 00:23:26,739 ♪ 485 00:23:26,781 --> 00:23:31,536 ♪ 486 00:23:31,577 --> 00:23:35,957 ♪ 487 00:23:35,998 --> 00:23:40,253 ♪ 488 00:23:40,294 --> 00:23:44,632 ♪ 489 00:23:44,674 --> 00:23:47,677 ♪ 490 00:23:47,718 --> 00:23:49,804 [inaudible conversation] 491 00:23:49,846 --> 00:23:52,515 MAN: Up on Taylor Mountain, Lynda Ann Healy, 492 00:23:52,557 --> 00:23:55,893 Susan Elaine Rancourt, Roberta Kathleen Parks, 493 00:23:55,935 --> 00:23:57,311 and Brenda Ball. 494 00:23:57,353 --> 00:23:59,772 And then previously in September 495 00:23:59,814 --> 00:24:02,441 we identified Janice Ott and Denise Naslund. 496 00:24:02,483 --> 00:24:06,946 So there are six people definitely identified. 497 00:24:06,988 --> 00:24:08,781 ELIZABETH: I was just going to the downtown library 498 00:24:08,823 --> 00:24:11,659 doing research in the newspaper reading room 499 00:24:11,701 --> 00:24:13,244 and reading the Salt Lake Tribune, 500 00:24:13,286 --> 00:24:14,912 and I was stunned to find out 501 00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:17,915 that there... there had been an abduction 502 00:24:17,957 --> 00:24:19,834 where the woman got away, 503 00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:23,713 and the perpetrator had been driving a brown Volkswagen. 504 00:24:23,754 --> 00:24:26,424 Well, that was my worst fear come true. 505 00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:30,803 ♪ 506 00:24:30,845 --> 00:24:32,180 ELIZABETH: So I just fell apart. 507 00:24:32,221 --> 00:24:34,640 I was borderline hysterical. 508 00:24:34,682 --> 00:24:35,725 Called my bishop; 509 00:24:35,766 --> 00:24:37,351 I'd gone back to church at that time. 510 00:24:37,393 --> 00:24:39,437 I was looking for something, 511 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:42,648 some kind of spiritual peace, 512 00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:44,775 and he said, "Well you're gonna have to talk to the police 513 00:24:44,817 --> 00:24:47,778 "and just tell them that you're continuing to be 514 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:50,114 "worried about your friend." 515 00:24:50,156 --> 00:24:53,576 So I called Salt Lake and I talked to a detective, 516 00:24:53,618 --> 00:24:56,495 and he asked me, "Well, why are you calling now?" 517 00:24:56,537 --> 00:24:58,789 He said, "We've already checked him out." 518 00:24:58,831 --> 00:25:01,042 And he's just grilling me about 519 00:25:01,083 --> 00:25:03,085 "We've already looked at him. 520 00:25:03,127 --> 00:25:05,087 "He's not a good candidate." 521 00:25:05,129 --> 00:25:09,926 So I was just like mortified when I got off the phone. 522 00:25:09,967 --> 00:25:13,095 I had spent a sleepless night, 523 00:25:13,137 --> 00:25:17,350 and my dad had some contacts on police forces in Utah. 524 00:25:17,391 --> 00:25:20,353 I felt like as a man he would be taken more seriously 525 00:25:20,394 --> 00:25:23,731 than I had been taken. 526 00:25:23,773 --> 00:25:25,942 And... 527 00:25:25,983 --> 00:25:27,401 he declined to get involved. 528 00:25:27,443 --> 00:25:30,488 He said, "If you're wrong, you're gonna ruin Ted's career." 529 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:33,741 And I said, "Okay," and we hung up, 530 00:25:33,783 --> 00:25:35,993 and we never talked about it again. 531 00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:37,245 And I think as a parent, 532 00:25:37,286 --> 00:25:39,830 I've thought about this and I thought, 533 00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:43,626 "God, if it was my kid that called with this crazy talk, 534 00:25:43,668 --> 00:25:45,127 "I'd be calling her the next day 535 00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:48,130 "to ask her what the hell's going on, to follow up." 536 00:25:48,172 --> 00:25:51,884 But not my dad. 537 00:25:51,926 --> 00:25:54,470 I think that my dad completely discounted 538 00:25:54,512 --> 00:25:55,846 what I was thinking. 539 00:25:55,888 --> 00:26:00,059 I mean, he so liked Ted, as we all did. 540 00:26:00,101 --> 00:26:03,271 I feel, in hindsight, that he chose Ted, 541 00:26:03,312 --> 00:26:05,439 and not his daughter. 542 00:26:05,481 --> 00:26:09,318 ♪ 543 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,947 It was just traumatic. 544 00:26:12,989 --> 00:26:16,867 ♪ 545 00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:21,080 ♪ 546 00:26:21,122 --> 00:26:24,709 ♪ 547 00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:26,585 ♪ 548 00:26:26,627 --> 00:26:28,879 STEVEN: The key that happens is when Ted Bundy 549 00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:32,133 is driving through a Salt Lake subdivision 550 00:26:32,174 --> 00:26:35,052 and a cop who works in that area didn't recognize the car, 551 00:26:35,094 --> 00:26:36,595 and thought, "Well, that's peculiar," 552 00:26:36,637 --> 00:26:38,472 and he was pulled over. 553 00:26:38,514 --> 00:26:42,393 And he sees handcuffs, a ski mask, 554 00:26:42,435 --> 00:26:45,813 pantyhose with an eye and nose hole cut out, 555 00:26:45,855 --> 00:26:48,149 an ice pick, rope, 556 00:26:48,190 --> 00:26:50,192 and garbage bags. 557 00:26:50,234 --> 00:26:54,280 ♪And the tumbler started to fall together that night. 558 00:26:54,322 --> 00:26:57,700 ♪ 559 00:26:57,742 --> 00:27:03,331 ELIZABETH: I ran into Ted's former landlady in Seattle, 560 00:27:03,372 --> 00:27:05,207 and she told me the funniest thing happened. 561 00:27:05,249 --> 00:27:07,668 She said a woman detective came around 562 00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:10,254 and was asking questions about Ted. 563 00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:13,049 And by this time I thought Ted had been cleared, 564 00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:15,551 so the bottom just fell out of my stomach. 565 00:27:15,593 --> 00:27:20,139 ♪ 566 00:27:20,181 --> 00:27:23,851 ELIZABETH: The next day I called the police and I said, 567 00:27:23,893 --> 00:27:26,312 "Well, could I speak to the woman detective?" 568 00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:28,189 And she said, "Can you come down here?" 569 00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:29,899 And so I left work immediately 570 00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:32,693 and went down to the police station. 571 00:27:32,735 --> 00:27:33,903 KATHLEEN: When I first met Liz 572 00:27:33,944 --> 00:27:37,281 she was concerned, afraid, 573 00:27:37,323 --> 00:27:42,870 an anxious woman who needed to know the truth. 574 00:27:42,912 --> 00:27:44,789 Because I was working sex crimes, 575 00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:50,961 I could see that it was a very difficult situation. 576 00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:54,632 She was talking to the police about her boyfriend, 577 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:56,967 about somebody she thought she loved, 578 00:27:57,009 --> 00:28:01,347 someone that she thought she was gonna spend her life with. 579 00:28:01,389 --> 00:28:04,183 ELIZABETH: She was more empathetic 580 00:28:04,225 --> 00:28:06,685 about how torn I felt. 581 00:28:06,727 --> 00:28:10,064 She seemed to understand why I was still so conflicted 582 00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:14,527 and couldn't really stick with one viewpoint 583 00:28:14,568 --> 00:28:15,903 for very long. 584 00:28:15,945 --> 00:28:17,947 KATHLEEN: Well, it takes a great amount of courage 585 00:28:17,988 --> 00:28:23,244 for anybody to turn in someone whom they're involved with, 586 00:28:23,285 --> 00:28:25,621 because what if they're wrong? 587 00:28:25,663 --> 00:28:27,998 She knew that her relationship with Ted 588 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,503 would change forever if she reported him. 589 00:28:32,545 --> 00:28:33,963 ELIZABETH: She started the interview by saying, 590 00:28:34,004 --> 00:28:36,465 "Did you know that Ted was arrested in Salt Lake City?" 591 00:28:36,507 --> 00:28:38,050 And I said, "No." 592 00:28:38,092 --> 00:28:39,343 And she said, 593 00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:41,971 "Do you want to see a picture of what was in his car?" 594 00:28:42,012 --> 00:28:44,557 Everything was laid out on a flat surface, 595 00:28:44,598 --> 00:28:47,518 and there was a rope and handcuffs and ski masks 596 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,062 and pantyhose with eyeholes cut in them. 597 00:28:50,104 --> 00:28:53,691 I mean, it was so far out of the realm of anything 598 00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:55,860 that had ever happened to me. 599 00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:59,113 Like, my boyfriend could be killing people? 600 00:28:59,155 --> 00:29:04,452 ♪ 601 00:29:04,493 --> 00:29:08,456 ♪ 602 00:29:08,497 --> 00:29:12,668 KATHLEEN: I did see that she was struggling with 603 00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:15,629 trying to conceptualize what was happening. 604 00:29:15,671 --> 00:29:17,381 Was her boyfriend a killer, 605 00:29:17,423 --> 00:29:21,010 or was he just in a series of circumstances 606 00:29:21,051 --> 00:29:25,055 that were coincidences? 607 00:29:25,097 --> 00:29:29,518 She just had to take it in and really understand 608 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,898 that her boyfriend was not the man she knew. 609 00:29:33,939 --> 00:29:37,651 ♪ 610 00:29:37,693 --> 00:29:41,405 ♪ 611 00:29:41,447 --> 00:29:43,282 CAROL: I don't remember who I talked to, 612 00:29:43,324 --> 00:29:44,992 maybe it was a law official, 613 00:29:45,034 --> 00:29:46,535 said that they had a suspect; 614 00:29:46,577 --> 00:29:50,498 they had caught this person with all these things in his car-- 615 00:29:50,539 --> 00:29:54,376 an ice pick, a crowbar. 616 00:29:54,418 --> 00:29:57,338 I didn't know if I could really identify him 617 00:29:57,379 --> 00:29:58,881 from a picture, 618 00:29:58,923 --> 00:30:03,052 but I knew if I could just see him in person I would know him. 619 00:30:03,093 --> 00:30:05,971 ♪ 620 00:30:06,013 --> 00:30:10,643 CAROL: He walked right out with all the other guys 621 00:30:10,684 --> 00:30:12,645 that were in the lineup-- I knew it was him. 622 00:30:12,686 --> 00:30:15,648 I could tell from his mannerisms and his walk, 623 00:30:15,689 --> 00:30:17,650 and then when he turned around and faced me 624 00:30:17,691 --> 00:30:20,402 I knew it was him immediately. 625 00:30:20,444 --> 00:30:22,821 BARBARA: That the first personal identification. 626 00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,532 We had some guy out there named Ted 627 00:30:24,573 --> 00:30:26,075 who was doing all these things, 628 00:30:26,116 --> 00:30:27,451 but nobody identified him, 629 00:30:27,493 --> 00:30:30,496 but she could identify him in this line. 630 00:30:30,538 --> 00:30:32,623 ♪ 631 00:30:32,665 --> 00:30:33,707 DONNA: My secretary came in 632 00:30:33,749 --> 00:30:35,834 and said that there was a phone call 633 00:30:35,876 --> 00:30:38,003 from Salt Lake City Police Department. 634 00:30:38,045 --> 00:30:43,217 They almost immediately said, did I know Ted Bundy? 635 00:30:43,259 --> 00:30:46,011 Just like that: Did I know Ted Bundy? 636 00:30:46,053 --> 00:30:49,515 And I don't even know that I answered the question. 637 00:30:49,557 --> 00:30:53,686 I think it just so clearly dawned on me 638 00:30:53,727 --> 00:30:58,065 that Ted Bundy was the Ted that we'd been looking for. 639 00:30:58,107 --> 00:31:00,693 ♪ 640 00:31:00,734 --> 00:31:02,987 DONNA: And it was as though an explosion went off. 641 00:31:03,028 --> 00:31:04,822 Um... I just knew it. 642 00:31:04,863 --> 00:31:07,157 You just knew it. 643 00:31:07,199 --> 00:31:08,325 How could you miss it? 644 00:31:08,367 --> 00:31:10,411 How could you not be aware of it? 645 00:31:10,452 --> 00:31:12,580 Here's Ted Bundy. 646 00:31:12,621 --> 00:31:16,500 And it had to be the same Ted Bundy. 647 00:31:16,542 --> 00:31:19,712 How would you feel if you had hired him, 648 00:31:19,753 --> 00:31:22,339 you had done a psychological profile, 649 00:31:22,381 --> 00:31:24,216 you'd worked with the police all this time, 650 00:31:24,258 --> 00:31:28,012 and it turns out to be this person? 651 00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,263 How would you feel? 652 00:31:29,305 --> 00:31:32,182 You would feel like a fool. 653 00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:35,811 To be so involved in that case 654 00:31:35,853 --> 00:31:39,356 and then have it be somebody that you knew. 655 00:31:39,398 --> 00:31:40,983 And what makes me so angry at him 656 00:31:41,025 --> 00:31:45,779 is that he did not do one positive thing for this world, 657 00:31:45,821 --> 00:31:51,577 and he killed so many young women who would have. 658 00:31:51,619 --> 00:31:55,664 ♪ 659 00:31:55,706 --> 00:32:00,502 ♪ 660 00:32:00,544 --> 00:32:05,174 ♪ 661 00:32:05,215 --> 00:32:09,094 ♪ 662 00:32:09,136 --> 00:32:13,474 ♪ 663 00:32:13,515 --> 00:32:18,020 ♪ 664 00:32:18,062 --> 00:32:22,441 ♪ 665 00:32:22,483 --> 00:32:26,737 ♪ 666 00:32:26,779 --> 00:32:31,533 ♪ 667 00:32:31,575 --> 00:32:36,538 ♪ 668 00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:41,669 ♪ 669 00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:46,590 ♪ 670 00:32:46,632 --> 00:32:49,551 ♪ 671 00:32:49,593 --> 00:32:54,556 ♪ 672 00:32:54,598 --> 00:32:59,478 ♪ 673 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,358 ♪ 674 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,529 ♪ 675 00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:12,574 ♪ 676 00:33:20,416 --> 00:33:25,212 ♪ 677 00:33:25,254 --> 00:33:29,258 ♪ 678 00:33:29,299 --> 00:33:32,845 ♪ 679 00:33:32,886 --> 00:33:36,849 ♪ 680 00:33:36,890 --> 00:33:39,226 ♪ 681 00:33:39,268 --> 00:33:40,978 ELIZABETH: Detective Thompson called me 682 00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:42,479 from Salt Lake City, 683 00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:45,691 and he said something like, "Get ready. 684 00:33:45,733 --> 00:33:50,195 "We're gonna arrest Ted for attempted kidnapping." 685 00:33:50,237 --> 00:33:52,740 And I just immediately fell apart 686 00:33:52,781 --> 00:33:55,409 because it was like my worst fear come true. 687 00:33:55,451 --> 00:33:57,911 Even though I'd had all of these conversations 688 00:33:57,953 --> 00:34:00,497 with the police, 689 00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:03,041 I was still hoping that it wasn't true, 690 00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:04,710 and that something, somehow, 691 00:34:04,752 --> 00:34:07,212 would... would prove that. 692 00:34:07,254 --> 00:34:09,965 I was still going back and forth constantly. 693 00:34:10,007 --> 00:34:11,216 "This can't be true." 694 00:34:11,258 --> 00:34:12,926 "He's innocent." 695 00:34:12,968 --> 00:34:16,180 And yet here he was, going to be arrested. 696 00:34:16,221 --> 00:34:18,140 It's kind of like I froze. 697 00:34:18,182 --> 00:34:21,226 It felt like the bottom of my stomach fell out. 698 00:34:21,268 --> 00:34:24,980 And... I just had to tell Molly. 699 00:34:25,022 --> 00:34:27,900 ♪ 700 00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:29,234 MOLLY: I remember my mom picked me up 701 00:34:29,276 --> 00:34:31,153 at my friend's house 702 00:34:31,195 --> 00:34:33,614 and took me to this nearby park 703 00:34:33,655 --> 00:34:36,450 and told me that now he was being suspected of 704 00:34:36,492 --> 00:34:38,994 attempted kidnapping. 705 00:34:39,036 --> 00:34:41,497 And... 706 00:34:41,538 --> 00:34:46,835 And that mystified me too. It just made no sense. 707 00:34:46,877 --> 00:34:49,838 And I had such grief about it. 708 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,342 It was so terrible to see him accused of these things, 709 00:34:53,383 --> 00:34:56,762 and I thought it was a terrible mistake. 710 00:34:56,804 --> 00:35:02,184 ♪ 711 00:35:02,226 --> 00:35:03,602 ELIZABETH: She loved Ted. 712 00:35:03,644 --> 00:35:05,771 She was really upset. 713 00:35:05,813 --> 00:35:10,567 It was horrible. 714 00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:12,861 So he started writing letters right away 715 00:35:12,903 --> 00:35:15,531 when he was in jail in Salt Lake, 716 00:35:15,572 --> 00:35:19,368 and asking me if I would stand by him. 717 00:35:19,409 --> 00:35:21,286 And he talked about me and my daughter 718 00:35:21,328 --> 00:35:23,247 being the best thing that ever happened to him, 719 00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:25,541 and that's what he really missed. 720 00:35:25,582 --> 00:35:28,085 I felt like he was manipulating me. 721 00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:29,503 I wanted to say goodbye, 722 00:35:29,545 --> 00:35:33,048 but I didn't really want to say goodbye. 723 00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:35,050 I thought we were just locked together, 724 00:35:35,092 --> 00:35:37,386 and it was very painful for me. 725 00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:44,434 Okay, this is from October 25th... 726 00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:46,103 1975. 727 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:48,772 It's from the Salt Lake City jail. 728 00:35:48,814 --> 00:35:50,816 "What can I say except I love you. 729 00:35:50,858 --> 00:35:53,360 "What can I do except want to touch and hold you? 730 00:35:53,402 --> 00:35:56,196 "What could I hope for except to hope that someday 731 00:35:56,238 --> 00:35:58,657 "we can be together forever? 732 00:35:58,699 --> 00:36:01,368 "I love you more and more forever and forever. 733 00:36:01,410 --> 00:36:04,037 "This I know is true. 734 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,874 "God love you and be with you. 735 00:36:06,915 --> 00:36:09,918 ♪ 736 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,587 ELIZABETH: It's just so intense, 737 00:36:11,628 --> 00:36:13,505 and I... I share those... 738 00:36:13,547 --> 00:36:16,216 I shared those feelings at that time with him, 739 00:36:16,258 --> 00:36:18,552 so it just made my heart... 740 00:36:18,594 --> 00:36:21,346 it just felt this heart connection. 741 00:36:21,388 --> 00:36:26,018 ♪ 742 00:36:26,059 --> 00:36:27,686 ELIZABETH: I was in and out of denial. 743 00:36:27,728 --> 00:36:28,896 There's all these coincidences, 744 00:36:28,937 --> 00:36:30,480 and then I would think, 745 00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:33,650 "No, remember these good times we've had. 746 00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:36,570 "We know who he is; he's not this person." 747 00:36:36,612 --> 00:36:40,115 So I was drinking a lot to shut my mind up. 748 00:36:40,157 --> 00:36:43,243 ♪ 749 00:36:43,285 --> 00:36:47,039 ♪ 750 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,999 ♪ 751 00:36:49,041 --> 00:36:51,877 KATHLEEN: We had a relationship with Liz 752 00:36:51,919 --> 00:36:53,337 so that we could call her. 753 00:36:53,378 --> 00:36:55,005 We tasked her with finding 754 00:36:55,047 --> 00:36:57,799 documents and records and things, 755 00:36:57,841 --> 00:37:00,969 and also she was providing us with information. 756 00:37:01,011 --> 00:37:03,972 So she would call us; we would call her. 757 00:37:04,014 --> 00:37:05,807 We had a very... very cordial, 758 00:37:05,849 --> 00:37:08,393 almost collaborative relationship, 759 00:37:08,435 --> 00:37:11,146 but we also recognized that this was a very stressful 760 00:37:11,188 --> 00:37:15,817 thing for her because she was still in contact with Ted 761 00:37:15,859 --> 00:37:18,654 and still in some ways considered herself 762 00:37:18,695 --> 00:37:22,658 to be his girlfriend. 763 00:37:22,699 --> 00:37:25,035 ELIZABETH: I started to see a psychiatrist and he said, 764 00:37:25,077 --> 00:37:26,495 "As long as you're talking to Ted 765 00:37:26,536 --> 00:37:29,247 "and you're seeing and dealing with the police, 766 00:37:29,289 --> 00:37:32,334 "you're gonna have this mass confusion in your head, 767 00:37:32,376 --> 00:37:35,087 "so you're gonna have to like just stop contact." 768 00:37:35,128 --> 00:37:37,047 And so I told Kathy that I wasn't gonna be 769 00:37:37,089 --> 00:37:40,133 interacting with the police anymore. 770 00:37:40,175 --> 00:37:42,177 ♪ 771 00:37:42,219 --> 00:37:45,347 ROBERT: Ted was on the phone all the time. 772 00:37:45,389 --> 00:37:47,808 All the time. 773 00:37:47,849 --> 00:37:50,227 And the realization came to me, 774 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,270 she's Ted's girl, 775 00:37:52,312 --> 00:37:55,857 and she probably will always be Ted's girl. 776 00:37:55,899 --> 00:37:59,611 All of those years of this passionate love between them, 777 00:37:59,653 --> 00:38:02,614 that's why she hung on. 778 00:38:02,656 --> 00:38:05,993 After seeing what happened to her 779 00:38:06,034 --> 00:38:10,247 I could never at any point ever blame her. 780 00:38:13,375 --> 00:38:17,129 STEVEN: It was Ted's parents who bailed him out of jail. 781 00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:18,839 He had written an open letter, 782 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,090 which was published in the press, 783 00:38:20,132 --> 00:38:21,842 thanking his many supporters, 784 00:38:21,883 --> 00:38:24,761 and there were many of them who came to his defence. 785 00:38:24,803 --> 00:38:27,180 ♪ 786 00:38:27,222 --> 00:38:30,976 MOLLY: He showed up at our house when he was out on bail 787 00:38:31,018 --> 00:38:34,521 and he said, "You know, Monkey, 788 00:38:34,563 --> 00:38:36,106 "if there's anything at all 789 00:38:36,148 --> 00:38:40,068 "you'd like to know about the charges against me, 790 00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:41,319 "you can ask me. 791 00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:43,780 "I'd be more than happy to talk with you about it." 792 00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:46,908 And I said... 793 00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:50,954 "Okay, did you do it?" 794 00:38:50,996 --> 00:38:53,081 And he laughed it off. 795 00:38:53,123 --> 00:38:57,377 "No, you know I didn't. Of course I didn't do it." 796 00:38:57,419 --> 00:38:59,296 INTERVIEWER: What did you think when he said that? 797 00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:01,298 MOLLY: That he didn't do it? 798 00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:04,968 I wanted to believe that. 799 00:39:05,010 --> 00:39:09,056 ♪ 800 00:39:09,097 --> 00:39:12,601 ♪ 801 00:39:12,642 --> 00:39:14,061 INTERVIEWER: You kind of recommitted to him 802 00:39:14,102 --> 00:39:15,437 in a sense, didn't you? 803 00:39:15,479 --> 00:39:16,480 ELIZABETH: I did. 804 00:39:16,521 --> 00:39:17,773 INTERVIEWER: Why did you do that? 805 00:39:17,814 --> 00:39:19,608 ELIZABETH: [sighs] I can't explain it. 806 00:39:19,649 --> 00:39:21,693 I, um... 807 00:39:21,735 --> 00:39:23,945 I mean, I just looked in his face 808 00:39:23,987 --> 00:39:27,074 and I felt like, "This man is not a killer. 809 00:39:27,115 --> 00:39:28,742 "There's no way this can be true. 810 00:39:28,784 --> 00:39:31,870 "This is... this is the Ted I've known for so many years." 811 00:39:31,912 --> 00:39:36,124 And I did a complete flip where I said, 812 00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:38,210 "Well, I love this man. 813 00:39:38,251 --> 00:39:41,129 "As long as I can, I'm gonna be with him." 814 00:39:41,171 --> 00:39:42,172 And we were. 815 00:39:42,214 --> 00:39:45,217 When he was out on bail, we were together. 816 00:39:45,258 --> 00:39:49,096 ♪ 817 00:39:49,137 --> 00:39:52,099 ♪ 818 00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:55,602 KATHLEEN: There are always people that don't understand 819 00:39:55,644 --> 00:39:59,147 why people stay in relationships 820 00:39:59,189 --> 00:40:00,857 that aren't healthy. 821 00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:03,610 I think that it's very unfair of people 822 00:40:03,652 --> 00:40:07,989 to judge why somebody does that or doesn't do it. 823 00:40:08,031 --> 00:40:11,785 It might not seem logical to most people 824 00:40:11,827 --> 00:40:14,663 but a lot of it has to do with hope, 825 00:40:14,704 --> 00:40:18,583 that people hope to the very end 826 00:40:18,625 --> 00:40:20,627 that their loved one isn't the person 827 00:40:20,669 --> 00:40:22,754 that's done the bad thing. 828 00:40:22,796 --> 00:40:27,217 ♪ 829 00:40:27,259 --> 00:40:29,761 ♪ 830 00:40:29,803 --> 00:40:33,807 [indistinct chatter] 831 00:40:33,849 --> 00:40:36,059 ♪ 832 00:40:36,101 --> 00:40:38,145 BARBARA: I remember I was sent over to the courthouse 833 00:40:38,186 --> 00:40:40,605 to cover this. 834 00:40:40,647 --> 00:40:45,152 We knew that we were involved in something huge, 835 00:40:45,193 --> 00:40:47,696 but we all couldn't wrap our heads around it. 836 00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:52,826 We were all just... 837 00:40:52,868 --> 00:40:53,952 "Really? 838 00:40:53,994 --> 00:40:57,706 "It could be this guy doing that stuff?" 839 00:40:57,747 --> 00:40:59,124 ELIZABETH: We were afraid that they would call me 840 00:40:59,166 --> 00:41:02,002 as a witness, so I stayed in Seattle. 841 00:41:02,043 --> 00:41:03,587 Then he called me and said, "I want you here," 842 00:41:03,628 --> 00:41:06,298 so I flew down there. 843 00:41:06,339 --> 00:41:08,508 I felt like everybody in the courtroom was... 844 00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:09,843 had stopped breathing. 845 00:41:09,885 --> 00:41:13,013 I mean, the parents of some of the abducted women 846 00:41:13,054 --> 00:41:14,556 were there. 847 00:41:14,598 --> 00:41:15,849 Ted was nervous. 848 00:41:15,891 --> 00:41:17,726 I mean, it was just a real... 849 00:41:17,767 --> 00:41:20,979 Waiting for the judge to come in was just agonizing. 850 00:41:21,021 --> 00:41:24,107 [indistinct chatter] 851 00:41:24,149 --> 00:41:27,944 CAROL: I remember being on the witness stand for hours, 852 00:41:27,986 --> 00:41:33,575 um... being questioned by his attorneys 853 00:41:33,617 --> 00:41:38,330 trying to say that I didn't have the right man, of course, 854 00:41:38,371 --> 00:41:41,124 and how did I know that he was the right man? 855 00:41:41,166 --> 00:41:43,418 That I was mistaken. 856 00:41:43,460 --> 00:41:45,962 Bundy, he was down there sitting 857 00:41:46,004 --> 00:41:48,506 with a smirk on his face, 858 00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:50,300 always really arrogant, 859 00:41:50,342 --> 00:41:54,095 kind of laughing when I'd answer the questions. 860 00:41:54,137 --> 00:41:55,513 BRUCE: You know, we have our theories 861 00:41:55,555 --> 00:41:57,724 as to how it happened and why she did make an identification, 862 00:41:57,766 --> 00:42:00,393 but... but I don't conclude 863 00:42:00,435 --> 00:42:02,562 that it was because she got a good look at her abductor 864 00:42:02,604 --> 00:42:04,481 and was able to remember him. 865 00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,358 I don't think that happened. 866 00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:09,236 CAROL: I remember a woman in the neighbourhood 867 00:42:09,277 --> 00:42:11,655 that I'd grown up in, running into her 868 00:42:11,696 --> 00:42:16,076 and she said, "Carol are you sure you have the right man?" 869 00:42:16,117 --> 00:42:18,036 And I said, "Yes, I do." 870 00:42:18,078 --> 00:42:19,955 And she had daughters. 871 00:42:19,996 --> 00:42:21,248 And I just... 872 00:42:21,289 --> 00:42:24,501 It was just really hard to deal with. 873 00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:27,045 There was a lot of people that just couldn't believe 874 00:42:27,087 --> 00:42:29,714 that he could do something like that. 875 00:42:29,756 --> 00:42:33,301 ♪ 876 00:42:33,343 --> 00:42:35,512 KATHLEEN: There was a... 877 00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:39,391 kind of a culture of disbelief. 878 00:42:39,432 --> 00:42:41,601 There were definitely people that thought 879 00:42:41,643 --> 00:42:44,980 that he was being railroaded. 880 00:42:45,021 --> 00:42:48,775 BARBARA: When he was brought into court that morning 881 00:42:48,817 --> 00:42:51,987 and I found myself for a brief moment 882 00:42:52,028 --> 00:42:53,947 saying to the guys who were yelling to him, 883 00:42:53,989 --> 00:42:55,448 "Ted, how many girls did you kill? 884 00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:56,950 "What'd you do with the bodies?" 885 00:42:56,992 --> 00:42:58,868 For a brief moment I found myself saying, 886 00:42:58,910 --> 00:43:03,665 "Hey, guys, innocent until proven guilty." 887 00:43:03,707 --> 00:43:06,668 Ted Bundy wasn't a Charles Manson type person. 888 00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:08,086 He was the guy next door. 889 00:43:08,128 --> 00:43:09,963 He was the guy you'd meet up at the University of Utah 890 00:43:10,005 --> 00:43:11,089 and have coffee with, 891 00:43:11,131 --> 00:43:13,216 and, you know, be intrigued by him. 892 00:43:13,258 --> 00:43:17,429 And at that moment I realized 893 00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:19,973 how so many girls went with him, 894 00:43:20,015 --> 00:43:22,559 and that scared me. 895 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,852 REPORTER: In a Salt Lake City trial, 896 00:43:23,893 --> 00:43:26,730 Bundy was convicted of trying to kidnap Carol DaRonch 897 00:43:26,771 --> 00:43:28,732 from a shopping centre in Murray. 898 00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:30,650 She managed to escape from his Volkswagen 899 00:43:30,692 --> 00:43:34,112 and testified against him at the trial. 900 00:43:34,154 --> 00:43:37,490 ELIZABETH: There was quite a stir in the courtroom, 901 00:43:37,532 --> 00:43:44,164 and immediately the guards came and handcuffed Ted. 902 00:43:44,205 --> 00:43:45,457 I rushed up and gave him a hug, 903 00:43:45,498 --> 00:43:48,168 but by this time he was already in handcuffs. 904 00:43:48,209 --> 00:43:49,377 He couldn't hug me back. 905 00:43:49,419 --> 00:43:52,422 He just felt hot and sweaty. 906 00:43:52,464 --> 00:43:54,632 It was incredibly emotional. 907 00:43:54,674 --> 00:43:58,720 I felt like this has been a terrible travesty of justice, 908 00:43:58,762 --> 00:44:02,390 that this should not be happening. 909 00:44:02,432 --> 00:44:06,394 ♪ 910 00:44:06,436 --> 00:44:09,981 ♪ 911 00:44:10,023 --> 00:44:13,485 ELIZABETH: I got very, very, very drunk at the airport 912 00:44:13,526 --> 00:44:17,280 on the way back from his trial. 913 00:44:17,322 --> 00:44:19,616 ELIZABETH: Um, in fact, I got in a fight 914 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:22,118 with a woman at the airport bar. 915 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,496 When I got home I didn't go back to work 916 00:44:24,537 --> 00:44:27,374 because I was just too, too upset, 917 00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:30,377 and I just could drink 24/7. 918 00:44:34,089 --> 00:44:36,049 ♪ 919 00:44:36,091 --> 00:44:39,886 STEVEN: The Salt Lake cops who had searched Bundy's apartment, 920 00:44:39,928 --> 00:44:41,471 one of the things the cops found 921 00:44:41,513 --> 00:44:44,599 was Bundy's credit card receipts. 922 00:44:44,641 --> 00:44:47,519 And when they ran those credit card receipts, 923 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,980 they found that the killing of Caryn Campbell near Aspen, 924 00:44:51,022 --> 00:44:55,527 Bundy had purchase gas at the same time. 925 00:44:55,568 --> 00:44:59,948 Bundy would drive, two, three, four hundred miles, 926 00:44:59,989 --> 00:45:04,494 leaving a trail of gas receipts to be detected later on. 927 00:45:04,536 --> 00:45:09,040 ♪ 928 00:45:09,082 --> 00:45:12,544 ♪ 929 00:45:12,585 --> 00:45:15,255 ♪ 930 00:45:15,296 --> 00:45:16,339 MICHAEL: I looked at them. 931 00:45:16,381 --> 00:45:19,008 When I saw the very first card on top, 932 00:45:19,050 --> 00:45:21,553 it was, "There it is." 933 00:45:21,594 --> 00:45:26,057 The credit cards showed us a real pattern on his driving. 934 00:45:26,099 --> 00:45:29,060 This has really given me something 935 00:45:29,102 --> 00:45:31,813 to definitively 936 00:45:31,855 --> 00:45:35,483 be able to get him in or out of this case. 937 00:45:35,525 --> 00:45:37,735 And it put him in it. 938 00:45:37,777 --> 00:45:40,947 ♪ 939 00:45:40,989 --> 00:45:42,866 ♪ 940 00:45:42,907 --> 00:45:44,784 REPORTER: Theodore Bundy is in Colorado tonight, 941 00:45:44,826 --> 00:45:47,203 where he will stand trial for first-degree murder. 942 00:45:47,245 --> 00:45:49,330 Bundy is accused of killing Caryn Campbell 943 00:45:49,372 --> 00:45:50,665 of Dearborn, Michigan. 944 00:45:50,707 --> 00:45:52,000 She was vacationing in Aspen 945 00:45:52,041 --> 00:45:54,711 at the time of her death in 1974. 946 00:45:54,752 --> 00:45:57,130 ♪ 947 00:45:57,172 --> 00:46:00,550 BARBARA: We drove up to Glenwood Springs to interview Ted. 948 00:46:00,592 --> 00:46:02,302 And halfway up, 949 00:46:02,343 --> 00:46:04,387 we called the station to check in 950 00:46:04,429 --> 00:46:05,638 and my news director said, 951 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,266 "Ted just called, he wants to cancel the interview." 952 00:46:08,308 --> 00:46:10,018 And we were, I don't know where we were. 953 00:46:10,059 --> 00:46:12,395 So I... went to a payphone, 954 00:46:12,437 --> 00:46:13,938 called Ted at the jail. 955 00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:17,400 I said, "Ted, we're halfway up here, you can't..." 956 00:46:17,442 --> 00:46:19,486 "Oh okay, come on up." 957 00:46:20,862 --> 00:46:24,491 BUNDY: [laughs] 958 00:46:24,532 --> 00:46:26,784 Oh, come on guys. 959 00:46:26,826 --> 00:46:28,036 BARBARA: We knew we had a scoop. 960 00:46:28,077 --> 00:46:30,330 I mean, he did not let anyone else interview him, 961 00:46:30,371 --> 00:46:32,832 so that was a big deal. 962 00:46:32,874 --> 00:46:34,918 He had been in the Utah State Prison 963 00:46:34,959 --> 00:46:36,878 for the kidnapping of Carol DaRonch 964 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,297 so he went from this highly guarded prison 965 00:46:39,339 --> 00:46:41,674 to this country jail. 966 00:46:41,716 --> 00:46:43,426 I mean, if you look at the footage 967 00:46:43,468 --> 00:46:46,012 and see what it was like... 968 00:46:46,054 --> 00:46:49,641 We were shocked. We were shocked. 969 00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:50,975 BARBARA [ARCHIVE]: First of all, 970 00:46:51,017 --> 00:46:53,311 I guess I should just ask, "How are you doing up here?" 971 00:46:53,353 --> 00:46:54,521 BUNDY: That's a... 972 00:46:54,562 --> 00:46:57,273 That's a short question deserving a long answer. 973 00:46:57,315 --> 00:46:59,609 Uh, I'm doing well. I feel good. 974 00:46:59,651 --> 00:47:02,570 And... working hard on my case. 975 00:47:02,612 --> 00:47:04,030 BARBARA: There were so many different personalities 976 00:47:04,072 --> 00:47:05,448 that I saw. 977 00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:08,868 The winking, and being the charismatic Ted, 978 00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:11,538 and, you know, "Be on my side," 979 00:47:11,579 --> 00:47:14,832 and "I'm not the Bundy Monster that everyone's saying I am." 980 00:47:14,874 --> 00:47:17,544 I knew what he was trying to do. He was trying to work me. 981 00:47:17,585 --> 00:47:18,836 BARBARA [ARCHIVE]: There's always one thing 982 00:47:18,878 --> 00:47:20,922 that amazed me-- as you know, I covered your trial; 983 00:47:20,964 --> 00:47:25,718 when the judge found you guilty of second-degree kidnapping, 984 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,971 you never showed any emotion. BUNDY: Yeah. 985 00:47:28,012 --> 00:47:29,764 BARBARA: For somebody who believes he is so innocent, 986 00:47:29,806 --> 00:47:32,016 why was there no emotion? 987 00:47:32,058 --> 00:47:35,436 BUNDY: People say, "Ted Bundy didn't show any emotion. 988 00:47:35,478 --> 00:47:36,854 "There must be something in there." 989 00:47:36,896 --> 00:47:38,856 I showed emotion. You know what people said? 990 00:47:38,898 --> 00:47:42,193 "See, he really can get violent and angry." 991 00:47:42,235 --> 00:47:43,695 BARBARA: I look back on that interview, 992 00:47:43,736 --> 00:47:45,488 which was 40 years ago, 993 00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:47,407 and I'm a little angry at myself, 994 00:47:47,448 --> 00:47:50,493 because I find myself smiling at him, 995 00:47:50,535 --> 00:47:52,704 and I was doing that to try to get into his graces 996 00:47:52,745 --> 00:47:54,872 to try to get some information out. 997 00:47:54,914 --> 00:47:56,749 The little bit that I did push 998 00:47:56,791 --> 00:47:58,376 and he started pounding his chest, 999 00:47:58,418 --> 00:48:00,128 said, "I'm not the Bundy Monster." 1000 00:48:00,169 --> 00:48:02,714 I mean, that's how defensive he was. 1001 00:48:02,755 --> 00:48:05,300 When we left I knew it was empty, 1002 00:48:05,341 --> 00:48:08,511 but we'd still gotten the interview. 1003 00:48:08,553 --> 00:48:10,888 REPORTER: Convicted kidnapper Ted Bundy is in Aspen, 1004 00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:14,183 arguing a motion relating to a first-degree murder trial. 1005 00:48:14,225 --> 00:48:16,144 The former University of Utah law student 1006 00:48:16,185 --> 00:48:18,438 is defending himself on charges he killed... 1007 00:48:18,479 --> 00:48:21,274 MICHAEL: We had a very attentive clerk of the court. 1008 00:48:21,316 --> 00:48:24,235 She came to us and she said, "He's gonna go escape, 1009 00:48:24,277 --> 00:48:26,195 "and I know how he's gonna do it." 1010 00:48:26,237 --> 00:48:28,906 Bundy would always approach her about doing Xerox, 1011 00:48:28,948 --> 00:48:32,785 and the Xerox was located in front of a window, 1012 00:48:32,827 --> 00:48:34,954 and he would always look up and down 1013 00:48:34,996 --> 00:48:37,540 the back of the courthouse. 1014 00:48:37,582 --> 00:48:39,709 We went right to the Sheriff's Office with it 1015 00:48:39,751 --> 00:48:42,170 and we've told them about it. 1016 00:48:42,211 --> 00:48:44,422 This is the plan, and he's got to be watched. 1017 00:48:44,464 --> 00:48:45,798 He's going to go. 1018 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,300 REPORTER: During a recess in the hearing 1019 00:48:47,342 --> 00:48:49,427 Bundy was allowed to go to the law library 1020 00:48:49,469 --> 00:48:51,554 at the rear of the courtroom on the second floor 1021 00:48:51,596 --> 00:48:54,057 of the Pitkin County Courthouse. 1022 00:48:54,098 --> 00:48:57,477 There, the unwatched, uncuffed Bundy went to the window 1023 00:48:57,518 --> 00:49:01,606 and leapt two storeys to freedom. 1024 00:49:01,648 --> 00:49:04,233 MICHAEL: They just weren't doing their job. 1025 00:49:04,275 --> 00:49:07,528 ♪ 1026 00:49:07,570 --> 00:49:08,780 BARBARA [ARCHIVE]: Bundy came here Wednesday 1027 00:49:08,821 --> 00:49:11,032 after spending a miserable night in the rain. 1028 00:49:11,074 --> 00:49:13,409 Then last night, Bundy said he walked into Aspen, 1029 00:49:13,451 --> 00:49:14,869 took this car, which was unlocked 1030 00:49:14,911 --> 00:49:16,829 and had the keys in the ignition. 1031 00:49:16,871 --> 00:49:19,082 That's when Bundy was apprehended. 1032 00:49:19,123 --> 00:49:20,458 BARBARA: Hi, Ted. BUNDY: How ya doin'? 1033 00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:21,459 BARBARA: Good. How are you? 1034 00:49:21,501 --> 00:49:23,461 BUNDY: Uh... I'm here. 1035 00:49:23,503 --> 00:49:26,756 ♪ 1036 00:49:26,798 --> 00:49:29,842 ♪ 1037 00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:34,263 ELIZABETH: I was at my parents' house 1038 00:49:34,305 --> 00:49:39,435 for the holidays in Utah, and Ted called me. 1039 00:49:39,477 --> 00:49:41,354 And the first thing I said to him, I said, 1040 00:49:41,396 --> 00:49:42,772 "I've asked you not to call me here 1041 00:49:42,814 --> 00:49:44,899 "because it just causes difficulty," 1042 00:49:44,941 --> 00:49:46,442 because my parents didn't like the fact 1043 00:49:46,484 --> 00:49:48,778 that I was still interacting with him. 1044 00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:51,739 And he said, "Well, I just needed to call you 1045 00:49:51,781 --> 00:49:54,784 "and tell you I love you and goodbye." 1046 00:49:54,826 --> 00:49:56,202 And I said, "Oh, how many times 1047 00:49:56,244 --> 00:49:58,871 "have we done this with each other?" 1048 00:49:58,913 --> 00:50:02,667 So I had no idea that he was gonna leave 1049 00:50:02,709 --> 00:50:04,335 and escape. 1050 00:50:04,377 --> 00:50:05,837 REPORTER: Bundy was being held here 1051 00:50:05,878 --> 00:50:07,755 in the Garfield County Jail. 1052 00:50:07,797 --> 00:50:10,383 The former law student ripped out a light fixture 1053 00:50:10,425 --> 00:50:12,385 and then manoeuvred himself up through 1054 00:50:12,427 --> 00:50:15,513 a 12-inch by 12-inch hole in the ceiling. 1055 00:50:15,555 --> 00:50:17,140 ELIZABETH: Detective Keppel called me and told me 1056 00:50:17,181 --> 00:50:19,851 that Ted was gone, 1057 00:50:19,892 --> 00:50:21,936 and told me if I hear from him, 1058 00:50:21,978 --> 00:50:25,189 I'm obligated to call the detectives, 1059 00:50:25,231 --> 00:50:26,691 and he's dangerous. 1060 00:50:26,733 --> 00:50:28,359 REPORTER: Ground units, helicopters, and dogs 1061 00:50:28,401 --> 00:50:30,069 have been searching for Bundy. 1062 00:50:30,111 --> 00:50:31,112 Roadblocks have been set up 1063 00:50:31,154 --> 00:50:33,114 around the town of Glenwood Springs, 1064 00:50:33,156 --> 00:50:35,575 and an all-points bulletin has been issued. 1065 00:50:35,616 --> 00:50:37,744 ELIZABETH: I was mostly afraid that he was gonna come back 1066 00:50:37,785 --> 00:50:41,247 and think that I was gonna help him remain free, 1067 00:50:41,289 --> 00:50:42,623 which I couldn't do, 1068 00:50:42,665 --> 00:50:45,168 because that would put me in jeopardy. 1069 00:50:45,209 --> 00:50:47,211 I felt very vulnerable. 1070 00:50:47,253 --> 00:50:48,963 What if I refuse to help him? 1071 00:50:49,005 --> 00:50:51,924 Will he kill me? Will he kill my daughter? 1072 00:50:51,966 --> 00:50:55,261 I was starting to feel afraid. 1073 00:50:55,303 --> 00:50:59,682 ♪ 1074 00:50:59,724 --> 00:51:04,353 ♪ 1075 00:51:04,395 --> 00:51:08,107 ♪ 1076 00:51:08,149 --> 00:51:13,029 ♪ 1077 00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:16,491 ♪ 1078 00:51:16,532 --> 00:51:19,494 ♪ 1079 00:51:19,535 --> 00:51:22,497 ♪ 1080 00:51:22,538 --> 00:51:28,503 ♪ 1081 00:51:28,544 --> 00:51:34,509 ♪ 1082 00:51:34,550 --> 00:51:37,553 ♪ 1083 00:51:40,556 --> 00:51:46,521 ♪ 1084 00:51:46,562 --> 00:51:49,524 ♪ 1085 00:51:49,565 --> 00:51:52,527 ♪ 1086 00:51:52,568 --> 00:51:55,530 ♪ 1087 00:51:55,571 --> 00:51:59,575 ♪