1 00:00:07,299 --> 00:00:08,843 REPORTER: Well, they're still looking for murder suspect 2 00:00:08,884 --> 00:00:11,095 Theodore Bundy, who celebrated New Year's Eve 3 00:00:11,137 --> 00:00:15,266 by escaping from a Colorado jail. 4 00:00:15,349 --> 00:00:18,185 REPORTER: Bundy's escape bordered on a Houdini escapade. 5 00:00:18,227 --> 00:00:21,897 The 5'11", 145-pound former law student 6 00:00:21,939 --> 00:00:25,151 ripped out a light fixture and steel grating in the ceiling 7 00:00:25,192 --> 00:00:26,861 and then manoeuvred himself up through 8 00:00:26,902 --> 00:00:29,530 a 12-inch by 12-inch hole in the ceiling. 9 00:00:29,572 --> 00:00:31,073 REPORTER 2: Ground units, helicopters, and dogs 10 00:00:31,115 --> 00:00:32,867 have been searching for Bundy. 11 00:00:32,908 --> 00:00:33,951 Roadblocks have been set up 12 00:00:33,993 --> 00:00:36,036 around the town of Glenwood Springs, 13 00:00:36,078 --> 00:00:38,497 and an all-points bulletin has been issued. 14 00:00:38,539 --> 00:00:39,790 REPORTER 3: If Bundy is ever recaptured, 15 00:00:39,832 --> 00:00:42,209 the Colorado prosecution will continue 16 00:00:42,293 --> 00:00:44,670 and he could be prosecuted for one of the Utah murders 17 00:00:44,712 --> 00:00:46,714 before this thing is all over with. 18 00:00:46,756 --> 00:00:48,048 But for the moment, 19 00:00:48,090 --> 00:00:51,135 Theodore Bundy is merely an escaped convicted kidnapper 20 00:00:51,177 --> 00:00:56,766 and now one of the FBI's most wanted men. 21 00:00:56,807 --> 00:00:59,393 ELIZABETH: My dreams at this time were extremely vivid. 22 00:00:59,435 --> 00:01:03,355 ♪ 23 00:01:03,397 --> 00:01:05,941 ELIZABETH: A lot of times they centred around my daughter. 24 00:01:08,444 --> 00:01:11,614 Things like she was either really injured 25 00:01:11,655 --> 00:01:15,326 or she was really sick and I needed help, 26 00:01:15,367 --> 00:01:17,203 and the police told me that they wouldn't help me 27 00:01:17,244 --> 00:01:19,371 because I wouldn't help them before, 28 00:01:19,413 --> 00:01:21,165 and I was like, "But here's my... 29 00:01:21,207 --> 00:01:24,376 "My little girl needs help," and they said, "Sorry." 30 00:01:24,418 --> 00:01:26,754 And it was just... it was just awful. 31 00:01:26,796 --> 00:01:28,297 I'd have to like lay in bed and think, 32 00:01:28,339 --> 00:01:31,675 "Did this happen, or was this a dream?" 33 00:01:31,717 --> 00:01:34,220 Like, I dreamt one night that I had helped Ted 34 00:01:34,261 --> 00:01:36,555 bury the first victim, 35 00:01:36,597 --> 00:01:40,726 and I said that if he promised to never do it again, 36 00:01:40,768 --> 00:01:42,144 I would forgive him. 37 00:01:42,186 --> 00:01:43,395 It's just like I woke up thinking, 38 00:01:43,437 --> 00:01:47,441 "My god, what's my subconscious doing?" 39 00:01:47,483 --> 00:01:51,821 ♪ 40 00:01:51,862 --> 00:01:56,826 ♪ Poses, poses ♪ 41 00:01:56,867 --> 00:02:02,706 ♪ That's all you are to me ♪ 42 00:02:02,748 --> 00:02:08,504 ♪ Roses, roses ♪ 43 00:02:08,546 --> 00:02:13,759 ♪ That's all you're offering me ♪ 44 00:02:13,801 --> 00:02:15,970 ♪ 45 00:02:20,724 --> 00:02:23,435 [indistinct chatter] 46 00:02:23,477 --> 00:02:25,479 REPORTER: Here in Houston, 35 new astronauts 47 00:02:25,521 --> 00:02:28,148 have now officially joined the space program. 48 00:02:28,190 --> 00:02:31,026 Ahead for some of America's first six women in space 49 00:02:31,068 --> 00:02:33,946 will be diverse missions, such as... [inaudible] 50 00:02:33,988 --> 00:02:35,447 REPORTER: Is there any particular experiment 51 00:02:35,489 --> 00:02:36,907 in the program designed to take advantage 52 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:38,659 of the fact that you are a woman? 53 00:02:38,701 --> 00:02:40,661 JUDITH: I don't really know exactly what experiments 54 00:02:40,703 --> 00:02:42,955 are planned for any of the shuttle missions, 55 00:02:42,997 --> 00:02:47,793 but as far as the accommodations and the training, 56 00:02:47,835 --> 00:02:49,837 we're all astronauts, 57 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:52,214 and we're not distinguished whether we're male or female. 58 00:02:53,257 --> 00:02:55,134 REPORTER: Astronaut Resnik got here early, 59 00:02:55,175 --> 00:02:58,596 and is flown back seat of the T-38 jet trainer. 60 00:02:58,637 --> 00:03:00,556 So almost 20 years after the first astronauts 61 00:03:00,598 --> 00:03:04,393 were chosen, NASA finally has women and black astronauts. 62 00:03:04,435 --> 00:03:06,103 There'll be flying aboard the space shuttle 63 00:03:06,145 --> 00:03:07,521 in two years. 64 00:03:07,563 --> 00:03:09,982 This is Jules Bergman, ABC News... 65 00:03:10,024 --> 00:03:12,610 REPORTER: ...the rather amazing story of Mr. Bundy. 66 00:03:12,651 --> 00:03:15,112 But law enforcement officials here were confident 67 00:03:15,154 --> 00:03:18,991 that Bundy would be found again sooner or later. 68 00:03:19,033 --> 00:03:21,327 This is Sandy Gilmour, Newswatch 2, 69 00:03:21,368 --> 00:03:23,746 in Glenwood Springs, Colorado. 70 00:03:23,787 --> 00:03:25,247 STEVE: He rambled around a little bit. 71 00:03:25,289 --> 00:03:27,750 He went to Chicago and then he went to Michigan. 72 00:03:27,791 --> 00:03:31,837 STEVE: He watched the Rose Bowl game in a bar in Ann Arbor, 73 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:35,925 when he cheered for UW and got roaring drunk, he said. 74 00:03:37,801 --> 00:03:39,261 RICHARD: You know, I was a teenager 75 00:03:39,303 --> 00:03:40,471 when he was arrested, 76 00:03:40,512 --> 00:03:43,223 and I didn't really see the escaping as him 77 00:03:43,265 --> 00:03:45,726 being full-on guilty, 'cause, you know, 78 00:03:45,768 --> 00:03:47,770 I mean, I was a kid; I was just being stupid 79 00:03:47,811 --> 00:03:51,190 and naive, you know, I was thinking... 80 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:53,567 like the, uh... the Fugitive story. 81 00:03:53,609 --> 00:03:56,236 Richard Kimball ran away to find the real killer, 82 00:03:56,278 --> 00:03:59,448 you know, probably what I was thinking. 83 00:03:59,490 --> 00:04:00,783 And at the same time, I was... 84 00:04:00,824 --> 00:04:02,701 A part of me was blocking it out going, 85 00:04:02,743 --> 00:04:06,372 "Dude, whatever it is, pssht... 86 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:07,873 "You can't do nothing about it. 87 00:04:07,915 --> 00:04:09,625 "Don't let it ruin your life." 88 00:04:09,667 --> 00:04:12,211 You know, it was part of me trying to protect myself 89 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:13,545 from all the pain, but I just said, 90 00:04:13,587 --> 00:04:15,381 "Man, just go outside and ride your skateboard." 91 00:04:15,422 --> 00:04:17,132 "Fuck him," you know? 92 00:04:17,174 --> 00:04:20,594 "If he's guilty, then... scumbag gets what he gets." 93 00:04:20,636 --> 00:04:21,637 You know? 94 00:04:28,143 --> 00:04:32,106 ♪ 95 00:04:32,147 --> 00:04:34,942 ♪ 96 00:04:34,984 --> 00:04:37,569 DIANE: I knew a few of the girls beforehand. 97 00:04:37,611 --> 00:04:39,780 Um, I didn't know all of them, of course, 98 00:04:39,822 --> 00:04:41,782 and I knew girls at other houses as well, 99 00:04:41,824 --> 00:04:45,494 but there was just something that drew me to Chi Omega. 100 00:04:45,536 --> 00:04:49,123 In sororities, you tend to become a family. 101 00:04:49,164 --> 00:04:50,582 You form a sisterhood 102 00:04:50,624 --> 00:04:53,127 and you become friends with these girls. 103 00:04:53,168 --> 00:04:55,045 I think more so than other sororities, 104 00:04:55,087 --> 00:04:57,631 we were a little bit different. 105 00:04:57,673 --> 00:05:00,676 The girls had their own desires and wishes, 106 00:05:00,718 --> 00:05:02,344 and they weren't all the same. 107 00:05:02,386 --> 00:05:04,847 So we were definitely not a cookie-cutter 108 00:05:04,888 --> 00:05:07,933 kind of organization. 109 00:05:07,975 --> 00:05:10,602 Lisa was so honoured to be a student 110 00:05:10,644 --> 00:05:13,897 at Florida State University, and just so happy to be there. 111 00:05:13,939 --> 00:05:16,942 [fiddle music] 112 00:05:16,984 --> 00:05:21,655 DIANE: She taught me how to do a line dance. 113 00:05:21,697 --> 00:05:23,282 [laughs] She had the hardest time 114 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:25,200 teaching me how to do this line dance. 115 00:05:25,242 --> 00:05:27,745 Now, I had had years of ballroom dance training. 116 00:05:27,786 --> 00:05:31,248 I had, at that point, I think 18 years of ballet training, 117 00:05:31,290 --> 00:05:33,792 but I could not get this line dance down, 118 00:05:33,834 --> 00:05:36,086 and she was so patient with me. 119 00:05:36,128 --> 00:05:38,172 But through the course of her teaching and instructing me, 120 00:05:38,213 --> 00:05:40,174 we would just crack up laughing. 121 00:05:40,215 --> 00:05:44,136 ♪ 122 00:05:44,178 --> 00:05:46,055 ♪ 123 00:05:46,096 --> 00:05:47,598 DIANE: We had gone to bed. 124 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:51,060 I don't recall what it was that stirred me. 125 00:05:51,101 --> 00:05:52,936 I just, uh, for whatever reason, 126 00:05:52,978 --> 00:05:56,690 went immediately to Lisa's room and opened the door and went in. 127 00:05:56,732 --> 00:05:57,775 There she was. 128 00:05:57,816 --> 00:05:59,193 You know, she was covered in blood. 129 00:05:59,234 --> 00:06:00,903 She was absolutely covered in blood. 130 00:06:00,944 --> 00:06:03,489 And she was moaning. 131 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:05,574 Uh, and I, you know, reached out to her, 132 00:06:05,616 --> 00:06:07,743 and she was touching her mouth, 133 00:06:07,785 --> 00:06:09,620 and to this day, I, you know, 134 00:06:09,661 --> 00:06:11,288 I have that memory of her. 135 00:06:11,330 --> 00:06:13,332 ♪ 136 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:15,292 REPORTER: Four young women were beaten with a club 137 00:06:15,334 --> 00:06:17,628 and two of them were strangled to death last night 138 00:06:17,669 --> 00:06:19,338 by a man who found his victims 139 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:22,216 sleeping in this sorority house on the Tallahassee Campus 140 00:06:22,257 --> 00:06:24,093 of Florida State University. 141 00:06:24,134 --> 00:06:26,428 A man was seen leaving the house with a club, 142 00:06:26,470 --> 00:06:27,679 and another co-ed was beaten... 143 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:29,348 DIANE: Um, I still have the image in my mind, 144 00:06:29,389 --> 00:06:31,725 and I still, you know, care for her deeply, 145 00:06:31,767 --> 00:06:34,561 and I just wish I could've done something. 146 00:06:34,603 --> 00:06:35,979 REPORTER: The killer came in from the night 147 00:06:36,021 --> 00:06:37,314 and then returned to it 148 00:06:37,356 --> 00:06:40,192 with an ease that has so far baffled police 149 00:06:40,234 --> 00:06:43,028 and left most co-eds here terrified. 150 00:06:43,070 --> 00:06:45,030 He clubbed and then strangled to death 151 00:06:45,072 --> 00:06:48,575 20-year-old Lisa Levy and 21-year-old Margaret Bowman. 152 00:06:48,617 --> 00:06:50,494 At least one of them was raped. 153 00:06:50,536 --> 00:06:52,996 Then he brutally beat three more sleeping co-eds, 154 00:06:53,038 --> 00:06:55,374 Karen Chandler and Kathy Kleiner. 155 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:57,292 Cheryl Anne Thomas was severely beaten 156 00:06:57,334 --> 00:06:59,920 in her apartment six blocks away. 157 00:06:59,962 --> 00:07:01,922 DIANE: I think there was this thought 158 00:07:01,964 --> 00:07:03,757 that as long as you didn't do harm to another 159 00:07:03,799 --> 00:07:05,592 or put yourself in a bad situation 160 00:07:05,634 --> 00:07:09,263 that you could not be harmed. 161 00:07:09,304 --> 00:07:12,516 ♪ 162 00:07:12,558 --> 00:07:15,185 DIANE: And in fact, these were totally innocent women 163 00:07:15,227 --> 00:07:17,312 that were, you know, unjustly attacked, 164 00:07:17,354 --> 00:07:19,398 and two lives were taken. 165 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:23,443 ♪ 166 00:07:23,485 --> 00:07:25,779 ELIZABETH: I always took my newspaper 167 00:07:25,821 --> 00:07:27,614 on my morning break, 168 00:07:27,656 --> 00:07:29,825 and when I was reading the paper, 169 00:07:29,867 --> 00:07:33,453 I saw this photograph of a young woman 170 00:07:33,495 --> 00:07:36,081 peering out from behind a curtain 171 00:07:36,123 --> 00:07:39,793 at the Chi Omega Sorority House in Florida, 172 00:07:39,835 --> 00:07:41,962 and I had this really bad feeling 173 00:07:42,004 --> 00:07:46,717 that it might be the work of Ted. 174 00:07:46,758 --> 00:07:48,760 REPORTER: The front door of the Chi Omega House 175 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:50,470 was not only locked today, 176 00:07:50,512 --> 00:07:52,848 a policeman stood guard on the other side. 177 00:07:52,890 --> 00:07:55,934 KEN: We knew we had somebody who was in a rage, 178 00:07:55,976 --> 00:07:57,561 somebody who wanted to murder, 179 00:07:57,603 --> 00:08:00,189 somebody who was capable of brutality 180 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:04,026 like I had never seen before, and I had seen a lot. 181 00:08:04,067 --> 00:08:05,652 REPORTER: Blood-stained bedsheets 182 00:08:05,694 --> 00:08:07,988 and numerous bags of other evidence were prepared... 183 00:08:08,030 --> 00:08:11,909 KEN: As I was leaving the Chi Omega House after daybreak, 184 00:08:11,950 --> 00:08:13,535 I got a phone call, 185 00:08:13,577 --> 00:08:16,997 and it was investigators from out west 186 00:08:17,039 --> 00:08:18,332 telling me that, you know, 187 00:08:18,373 --> 00:08:22,628 had you thought about the possibility it was Ted Bundy? 188 00:08:22,669 --> 00:08:26,089 I said, "Well, you know, this isn't his kind of crime." 189 00:08:26,131 --> 00:08:29,218 This was a mass murder all in one location in a house, 190 00:08:29,259 --> 00:08:32,387 and there is nothing in Ted Bundy's history 191 00:08:32,429 --> 00:08:35,599 to indicate that he would operate in that manner. 192 00:08:35,641 --> 00:08:38,977 So I wrote his name down because they gave it to me, 193 00:08:39,019 --> 00:08:42,314 but I did not and could not fathom 194 00:08:42,356 --> 00:08:44,858 that he made his way to Tallahassee 195 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:47,027 and then changed his M.O. completely 196 00:08:47,069 --> 00:08:48,862 and did something like this. 197 00:08:48,904 --> 00:08:51,323 ♪ 198 00:08:51,365 --> 00:08:53,867 STEVEN: He was looking for a college campus. 199 00:08:53,909 --> 00:08:54,993 That's where he felt comfortable. 200 00:08:55,035 --> 00:08:58,622 That's where he wanted to operate. 201 00:08:58,664 --> 00:09:00,082 It's a migratory store, 202 00:09:00,123 --> 00:09:02,918 almost like an animal migrating somewhere 203 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,544 in search of a place to settle, 204 00:09:04,586 --> 00:09:07,256 in search of a place to-- in search of prey. 205 00:09:07,297 --> 00:09:10,634 I mean, it's very... it's very primal. 206 00:09:10,676 --> 00:09:15,055 ♪ 207 00:09:15,097 --> 00:09:18,058 ♪ 208 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:20,978 STEVEN: And then he stole a Florida State University van, 209 00:09:21,019 --> 00:09:24,648 changed plates on it, again trying to cover his tracks, 210 00:09:24,690 --> 00:09:27,025 and trolled over a hundred miles over to Lake City, 211 00:09:27,067 --> 00:09:28,819 this small little town. 212 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:31,071 ♪ 213 00:09:31,113 --> 00:09:32,656 BARBARA: That little 12-year-old Kimberly Leach. 214 00:09:32,698 --> 00:09:34,908 I mean... 215 00:09:34,950 --> 00:09:37,411 this girl in middle school walking along, 216 00:09:37,452 --> 00:09:39,871 and he takes her, and... 217 00:09:39,913 --> 00:09:43,125 found her in a hog shed or whatever that was. 218 00:09:45,460 --> 00:09:47,838 STEVEN: 12 years old. 219 00:09:47,879 --> 00:09:49,298 A child. 220 00:09:49,339 --> 00:09:54,344 ♪ 221 00:09:54,386 --> 00:09:55,804 STEVEN: She looked like a 12-year-old. 222 00:09:55,846 --> 00:09:58,473 She didn't look-- you know, she wasn't-- 223 00:09:58,515 --> 00:10:00,183 she didn't look older than her years. 224 00:10:00,225 --> 00:10:01,310 She was a child. 225 00:10:01,351 --> 00:10:03,061 She was taken in front of her own school. 226 00:10:03,103 --> 00:10:07,065 ♪ 227 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:08,775 ELIZABETH: As a mother, you're trying 228 00:10:08,817 --> 00:10:12,779 to give your daughters the best life ever. 229 00:10:12,821 --> 00:10:14,239 But, you know, 230 00:10:14,281 --> 00:10:18,285 what I really brought into her life was... 231 00:10:18,327 --> 00:10:23,123 rapes and murders and lies and craziness. 232 00:10:23,165 --> 00:10:25,667 ♪ 233 00:10:25,709 --> 00:10:28,086 MOLLY: It took me a long time to take it in, 234 00:10:28,128 --> 00:10:31,548 what that means to me. 235 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:34,384 I mean, it was... 236 00:10:34,426 --> 00:10:35,677 [sighs] It was hurtful 237 00:10:35,719 --> 00:10:40,390 in the same that every single murder that he committed, 238 00:10:40,432 --> 00:10:42,684 every attack that he carried out, 239 00:10:42,726 --> 00:10:45,479 was hurtful to me. 240 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,232 ♪ 241 00:10:49,274 --> 00:10:50,692 MOLLY: [sighs] 242 00:10:50,734 --> 00:10:54,363 This girl could be my twin, you know? 243 00:10:54,404 --> 00:10:56,490 We were the same. 244 00:10:56,531 --> 00:10:59,743 And I really grappled with, 245 00:10:59,785 --> 00:11:02,579 "Does this have anything to do with me?" 246 00:11:02,621 --> 00:11:05,874 And... 247 00:11:05,916 --> 00:11:09,961 ♪ 248 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:12,589 That's devastating. 249 00:11:12,631 --> 00:11:16,593 ♪ 250 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:24,559 STEVEN: The recklessness of it seems to suggest 251 00:11:24,601 --> 00:11:29,022 that he was careening towards an end of some kind. 252 00:11:32,567 --> 00:11:34,903 ♪ 253 00:11:34,945 --> 00:11:37,197 DAVID: February 15th, 1978, 254 00:11:37,239 --> 00:11:40,325 somewhere around 1:30 am in the morning, 255 00:11:40,367 --> 00:11:43,787 while on patrol with the Pensacola Police Department, 256 00:11:43,829 --> 00:11:47,124 I noticed a Volkswagen Bug coming out of the alleyway 257 00:11:47,165 --> 00:11:49,376 behind Oscar Woerner's restaurant. 258 00:11:49,418 --> 00:11:51,878 No headlights. 259 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,674 I came up behind him and activate my blue lights 260 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:58,343 same time I'm running the tag, 261 00:11:58,385 --> 00:12:01,972 and the tag come back as a stolen vehicle. 262 00:12:02,013 --> 00:12:04,182 I didn't have a backup anywhere close by. 263 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:06,601 There was only three of us working the entire city 264 00:12:06,643 --> 00:12:09,479 of Pensacola that night. 265 00:12:09,521 --> 00:12:13,525 I got him out of the car and had him laying on the pavement. 266 00:12:13,567 --> 00:12:15,777 He kept saying, "Officer, what's wrong? 267 00:12:15,819 --> 00:12:17,404 "Officer, what's wrong?" 268 00:12:17,446 --> 00:12:18,905 DAVID [ARCHIVE]: Uh, well, initially when I was putting-- 269 00:12:18,947 --> 00:12:20,157 placing the handcuffs on him, 270 00:12:20,198 --> 00:12:21,408 he kicked my feet out from under me 271 00:12:21,450 --> 00:12:23,201 and struck me with a handcuff 272 00:12:23,243 --> 00:12:25,287 that had been placed on one wrist, 273 00:12:25,328 --> 00:12:26,955 and of course knocked me off my feet, 274 00:12:26,997 --> 00:12:28,957 and that's when it started. 275 00:12:28,999 --> 00:12:30,208 DAVID: I was chasing him, 276 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:32,836 hollering "Halt," and so forth. 277 00:12:32,878 --> 00:12:34,880 Well, he turned, and all I seen was a nickel, 278 00:12:34,921 --> 00:12:36,965 and thought it was a gun, 279 00:12:37,007 --> 00:12:40,177 so I levelled down and fired. 280 00:12:40,218 --> 00:12:42,387 So I said, "Oh my god, I've killed him." 281 00:12:43,555 --> 00:12:45,557 DAVID [ARCHIVE]: And when I went to see if he was shot, 282 00:12:45,599 --> 00:12:47,517 I bend down, he grabbed my wrist, 283 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,270 and we had a struggle for control of my revolver. 284 00:12:50,312 --> 00:12:51,730 DAVID: And it's a heavy pistol, 285 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:54,107 and when I broke it away, 286 00:12:54,149 --> 00:12:57,152 it swung and slapped him on the cheek. 287 00:12:57,194 --> 00:13:00,655 And if you see pictures right after the suspect was arrested, 288 00:13:00,697 --> 00:13:02,574 there's a big bruise on the side of his cheek, 289 00:13:02,616 --> 00:13:08,371 and that was from my pistol barrel. 290 00:13:08,413 --> 00:13:10,916 There's no doubt in my mind that he'd have killed me 291 00:13:10,957 --> 00:13:14,044 if he had taken my gun away from me. 292 00:13:14,085 --> 00:13:17,255 He didn't give us much information initially. 293 00:13:17,297 --> 00:13:19,674 The driver's licence that he had 294 00:13:19,716 --> 00:13:24,513 was in the name of Kenneth Misner. 295 00:13:24,554 --> 00:13:27,724 Norman Chapman was the detective on call, 296 00:13:27,766 --> 00:13:31,686 and me and Norman started interview him. 297 00:13:31,728 --> 00:13:33,271 NORMAN: I kept keying on his eyes. 298 00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:36,525 His eyes were alarming to me. 299 00:13:36,566 --> 00:13:39,110 They were deep, steel-blue eyes, 300 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:41,363 and at first I couldn't figure out what it was 301 00:13:41,404 --> 00:13:43,240 I was keying on, 302 00:13:43,281 --> 00:13:47,285 but it was his eyes. 303 00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:49,287 And it was also the feeling. 304 00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:51,748 Once I got around him, I had this feeling 305 00:13:51,790 --> 00:13:53,542 I'd never felt before. 306 00:13:53,583 --> 00:13:56,294 It was a feeling of, um... 307 00:13:56,336 --> 00:13:58,421 I guess the best way to describe it 308 00:13:58,463 --> 00:14:02,592 was a frustration and doom. 309 00:14:02,634 --> 00:14:04,386 And from then on, when I got this feeling, 310 00:14:04,427 --> 00:14:07,055 I knew I'd been around somebody who'd murdered somebody, 311 00:14:07,097 --> 00:14:10,559 not somebody who killed somebody in self-defence, 312 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,479 somebody who had murdered somebody. 313 00:14:14,521 --> 00:14:16,856 By this time, everybody in the investigation is saying, 314 00:14:16,898 --> 00:14:19,401 "Chapman, who do you have?" 315 00:14:19,442 --> 00:14:21,152 And I said, "Well, I don't know." 316 00:14:21,194 --> 00:14:22,487 "Well, how come you don't know?" 317 00:14:22,529 --> 00:14:24,197 Well, see, we didn't have computers or anything 318 00:14:24,239 --> 00:14:27,242 back in the 70s. 319 00:14:27,284 --> 00:14:30,412 We had to take him to the first appearance for the judge. 320 00:14:36,334 --> 00:14:37,669 BUNDY: No, sir. 321 00:14:37,711 --> 00:14:39,754 NORMAN: I thought, sure, him going before the judge 322 00:14:39,796 --> 00:14:41,631 it did tell who he was. 323 00:14:41,673 --> 00:14:42,674 He said, I ain't tell you. 324 00:14:49,306 --> 00:14:51,600 So the judge refused to set a bond on him 325 00:14:51,641 --> 00:14:54,185 because he didn't know who he was. 326 00:14:54,227 --> 00:14:58,231 So I bring him back to the police station. 327 00:14:58,273 --> 00:15:00,567 His attorneys went in, talked a few minutes, 328 00:15:00,609 --> 00:15:02,444 and then when they called me in, 329 00:15:02,485 --> 00:15:06,823 they said he wants to wait until he contacts some people 330 00:15:06,865 --> 00:15:08,992 before he releases his identification. 331 00:15:09,034 --> 00:15:12,621 There's some people he wants to let them know he's in custody. 332 00:15:12,662 --> 00:15:13,830 I says, "Okay." 333 00:15:13,872 --> 00:15:16,124 I says, "I will give him two hours to call anybody 334 00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:19,878 "he wants to before I put him back in his cell." 335 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:21,171 I said, "He gotta call collect, 336 00:15:21,212 --> 00:15:22,589 "because Pensacola Police Department 337 00:15:22,631 --> 00:15:25,342 "pays for no more phone calls." 338 00:15:29,179 --> 00:15:30,513 [inaudible conversation] 339 00:15:30,555 --> 00:15:32,098 ROBERT: Are you aware that this interview is being taped? 340 00:15:32,140 --> 00:15:33,391 ELIZABETH [ARCHIVE]: Yes. 341 00:15:33,433 --> 00:15:34,809 ROBERT: Is it taped with your approval? 342 00:15:34,851 --> 00:15:36,353 ELIZABETH: Yes. 343 00:15:36,394 --> 00:15:37,354 ROBERT: Okay. 344 00:15:37,395 --> 00:15:38,730 Would you describe the telephone call 345 00:15:38,772 --> 00:15:41,066 that you received from Ted Bundy? 346 00:15:41,107 --> 00:15:42,067 ELIZABETH: He called collect. 347 00:15:42,108 --> 00:15:45,445 My daughter accepted the charges. 348 00:15:45,487 --> 00:15:47,072 I told him that he shouldn't be calling me, 349 00:15:47,113 --> 00:15:48,239 that my phone had a trap on it, 350 00:15:48,281 --> 00:15:50,116 and he said that he was in custody, 351 00:15:50,158 --> 00:15:52,202 and I asked him where and he said Florida. 352 00:15:52,243 --> 00:15:54,245 He said-- he repeated over and over again 353 00:15:54,287 --> 00:15:56,456 that this was really gonna be bad when it broke, 354 00:15:56,498 --> 00:15:58,291 that it was not gonna break until tomorrow morning. 355 00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:02,379 It'd be in the press, but it was gonna be really ugly. 356 00:16:02,420 --> 00:16:03,630 ELIZABETH: And I said, 357 00:16:03,672 --> 00:16:06,007 "I was really afraid that you might be in that area 358 00:16:06,049 --> 00:16:07,801 "and that you might have done it." 359 00:16:07,842 --> 00:16:09,719 And he said, 360 00:16:09,761 --> 00:16:11,888 "You know, I can't really talk to you about things." 361 00:16:11,930 --> 00:16:15,517 He said, "I wish I could sit down and tell you things 362 00:16:15,558 --> 00:16:17,977 "without anybody listening." 363 00:16:18,019 --> 00:16:20,522 And I said, "Are you trying to tell me that you're sick?" 364 00:16:20,563 --> 00:16:22,232 And he said, "Back off." 365 00:16:22,273 --> 00:16:24,359 He got really angry. He said, "Back off." 366 00:16:24,401 --> 00:16:25,819 He says, "That's not it at all." 367 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:28,613 And I wasn't-- I was really confused. 368 00:16:28,655 --> 00:16:32,575 Took me a long time to, like, calm down after that. 369 00:16:32,617 --> 00:16:34,369 REPORTER: Theodore Bundy came back to Tallahassee 370 00:16:34,411 --> 00:16:37,038 early Sunday morning in a Pensacola police cruiser 371 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,666 escorted by Leon County sheriff's deputies. 372 00:16:39,708 --> 00:16:41,751 It was in Tallahassee that Bundy allegedly stole 373 00:16:41,793 --> 00:16:44,337 21 credit cards, three sets of identification, 374 00:16:44,379 --> 00:16:45,797 and a Volkswagen. 375 00:16:45,839 --> 00:16:47,298 Authorities also say they can... 376 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:51,261 ELIZABETH: Saturday morning at 2 he called again, collect, 377 00:16:51,302 --> 00:16:53,304 and he said that he wanted to talk about 378 00:16:53,346 --> 00:16:56,558 what we'd been talking about on the first phone call. 379 00:16:56,599 --> 00:16:58,685 And I said, "You mean about being sick?" 380 00:16:58,727 --> 00:16:59,978 And he said, "Yes." 381 00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:01,354 REPORTER: Sherriff Ken Katsaris said investigators 382 00:17:01,396 --> 00:17:04,816 will continue pursuing all leads in the Chi Omega murders 383 00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:07,819 despite having Bundy as a prime suspect. 384 00:17:07,861 --> 00:17:11,740 ELIZABETH: He told me that he... 385 00:17:11,781 --> 00:17:14,784 he knew now there was something that he couldn't be around. 386 00:17:14,826 --> 00:17:17,537 And when I asked him what, he said, "Don't make me say it." 387 00:17:17,579 --> 00:17:23,418 So I knew that he was meaning young, beautiful women. 388 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:26,087 He just was addicted to killing. 389 00:17:26,129 --> 00:17:28,465 ♪ 390 00:17:28,506 --> 00:17:31,301 ELIZABETH: And he started to tell me about this force, 391 00:17:31,342 --> 00:17:34,012 is what he called it, 392 00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:36,556 and he said it would just start building within him, 393 00:17:36,598 --> 00:17:39,976 and he would... 394 00:17:40,018 --> 00:17:41,728 It would take him, you know, days 395 00:17:41,770 --> 00:17:44,147 before he really acted out. 396 00:17:44,189 --> 00:17:45,690 But once he acted out, 397 00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:50,820 it was just over. 398 00:17:50,862 --> 00:17:52,238 And he mentioned the day 399 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,493 that the two women were abducted from Lake Sammamish. 400 00:17:56,534 --> 00:17:58,703 [police radio chatter] 401 00:17:58,745 --> 00:18:00,121 ELIZABETH: And he said, "I remembered when you and I 402 00:18:00,163 --> 00:18:05,752 "went to eat hamburgers after that, and ice cream." 403 00:18:05,794 --> 00:18:08,505 And he said, "I remembered what had happened." 404 00:18:08,546 --> 00:18:11,049 He said, "It wasn't like I'd had a blackout." 405 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:13,802 And he said, "But it was just like it was over." 406 00:18:13,843 --> 00:18:16,554 And I was just shocked, 407 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:18,890 because I thought if he did do these things 408 00:18:18,932 --> 00:18:21,768 that he had to have two personalities 409 00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:22,977 or something like that, 410 00:18:23,019 --> 00:18:26,940 but he was telling me that this is just him. 411 00:18:26,981 --> 00:18:29,442 ♪ 412 00:18:29,484 --> 00:18:31,986 INTERVIEWER: Why do you think he did that? 413 00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:36,491 ELIZABETH: I think he was... beat. 414 00:18:36,533 --> 00:18:40,119 I think he... he knew that he... 415 00:18:40,161 --> 00:18:42,789 he couldn't live in freedom anymore 416 00:18:42,831 --> 00:18:46,417 because he was too murderous. 417 00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:48,628 He said to me, "Didn't you always know?" 418 00:18:48,670 --> 00:18:50,547 And it's just like... 419 00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:52,757 "Well, yes and no." 420 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:55,093 And it's like... [chuckles ruefully] 421 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,386 I dunno. It's very... 422 00:18:56,427 --> 00:19:00,640 It's a very confusing emotional conversation. 423 00:19:00,682 --> 00:19:02,433 Um... 424 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,478 ELIZABETH [ARCHIVE]: I asked him 425 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,190 if I somehow played a part in what had happened, 426 00:19:09,232 --> 00:19:11,025 and he said no, 427 00:19:11,067 --> 00:19:12,819 that for years before he even met me, 428 00:19:12,861 --> 00:19:15,613 he'd been fighting the same sickness, 429 00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:19,450 and that when it broke, we just happened to be together. 430 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:22,871 Uh... 431 00:19:22,912 --> 00:19:24,664 ELIZABETH: I feel like for so long... 432 00:19:24,706 --> 00:19:26,583 this mental confusion that I had about, 433 00:19:26,624 --> 00:19:28,418 is he guilty, is he capable, 434 00:19:28,459 --> 00:19:31,504 is he really a nice, wonderful guy 435 00:19:31,546 --> 00:19:33,464 that I should love, or...? 436 00:19:33,506 --> 00:19:35,341 And that mental confusion 437 00:19:35,383 --> 00:19:39,178 I think was all just part of me not being able 438 00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:41,723 to face the facts. 439 00:19:41,764 --> 00:19:43,016 And once I got off the phone, 440 00:19:43,057 --> 00:19:45,393 I just felt like... 441 00:19:45,435 --> 00:19:47,145 I was glad to know the truth, 442 00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:51,274 but I also felt like the truth was just so ugly 443 00:19:51,316 --> 00:19:55,528 that I just felt like... 444 00:19:55,570 --> 00:19:57,822 [exhales] I felt really upset, 445 00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:00,158 and very desolate that this was true, 446 00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:03,244 that this man I knew did these things. 447 00:20:03,286 --> 00:20:04,913 Not only did I know him, I loved him. 448 00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:07,957 So it was very difficult. 449 00:20:07,999 --> 00:20:09,834 [indistinct voices] 450 00:20:09,876 --> 00:20:11,210 REPORTER: Wanted for questioning 451 00:20:11,252 --> 00:20:14,714 in at least 36 cases of rape, murders, and missing women 452 00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:18,259 in several western states since 1973. 453 00:20:18,301 --> 00:20:21,930 The FBI said Bundy escaped from a jail near Aspen, Colorado 454 00:20:21,971 --> 00:20:23,431 last December. 455 00:20:23,473 --> 00:20:26,976 He was awaiting trial there on a sex slaying charge. 456 00:20:27,018 --> 00:20:29,520 In January, according to Florida police, 457 00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:31,481 Bundy was living in Tallahassee 458 00:20:31,522 --> 00:20:34,734 at the time when five Florida State University co-eds 459 00:20:34,776 --> 00:20:37,487 were attacked on or near the campus. 460 00:20:37,528 --> 00:20:41,908 Two of the young women died as a result of the attack... 461 00:20:41,950 --> 00:20:43,534 ELIZABETH [ARCHIVE]: He alluded to Tallahassee. 462 00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:46,037 I asked him specifically about the Florida murders, 463 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:49,082 and he told me that he didn't want to talk about them. 464 00:20:49,123 --> 00:20:51,417 But then in the same conversation he said 465 00:20:51,459 --> 00:20:55,338 that he felt like he had a disease like alcoholism, 466 00:20:55,380 --> 00:20:58,132 like the alcoholic that couldn't take another drink. 467 00:20:58,174 --> 00:21:00,176 ♪ 468 00:21:00,218 --> 00:21:02,512 ELIZABETH: I really thought he was gonna confess. 469 00:21:02,553 --> 00:21:06,474 That's what he was talking about. 470 00:21:06,516 --> 00:21:08,476 So I was really disappointed in the following days 471 00:21:08,518 --> 00:21:11,437 when he didn't. 472 00:21:11,479 --> 00:21:12,981 When he called me in my office 473 00:21:13,022 --> 00:21:17,193 after a few weeks of not confessing, 474 00:21:17,235 --> 00:21:22,156 I could have easily fallen into a chatty conversation with him 475 00:21:22,198 --> 00:21:23,741 because that was our pattern, 476 00:21:23,783 --> 00:21:25,576 but I... I already knew 477 00:21:25,618 --> 00:21:28,830 that I was coming out from under the spell, 478 00:21:28,871 --> 00:21:31,332 but at that point the spell was broken, 479 00:21:31,374 --> 00:21:33,584 and I just hung up on him. 480 00:21:37,588 --> 00:21:39,882 MARK: I was in the early stages of my journalism career, 481 00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:41,217 and I met an attorney 482 00:21:41,259 --> 00:21:43,928 who was at that point representing Ted Bundy. 483 00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:45,596 He called me and asked if I would be interested 484 00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:47,348 in covering the Ted Bundy case, 485 00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:49,392 and in particular be interested in speaking with Bundy 486 00:21:49,434 --> 00:21:50,810 face-to-face. 487 00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:52,812 So I said, "Okay." 488 00:21:52,854 --> 00:21:54,731 ♪ 489 00:21:54,772 --> 00:21:56,232 MARK: I walked in with this attorney, 490 00:21:56,274 --> 00:21:58,443 and he was sitting with a stack of papers, 491 00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:00,069 and he was writing, 492 00:22:00,111 --> 00:22:01,821 and the first thing I noticed was that there was 493 00:22:01,863 --> 00:22:04,198 classical music playing on the radio, 494 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,491 and I asked him about that. 495 00:22:05,533 --> 00:22:08,119 And he said, "Oh yeah, that's the local college 496 00:22:08,161 --> 00:22:10,580 "public radio station." 497 00:22:10,621 --> 00:22:13,332 ♪ 498 00:22:13,374 --> 00:22:15,543 MARK: He was very soft-spoken, 499 00:22:15,585 --> 00:22:17,336 very charming, 500 00:22:17,378 --> 00:22:20,381 made direct eye contact the whole time. 501 00:22:20,423 --> 00:22:22,592 I began to ask him about different parts of his life, 502 00:22:22,633 --> 00:22:23,926 his childhood. 503 00:22:23,968 --> 00:22:25,720 I was probing the same things that people would probe 504 00:22:25,762 --> 00:22:27,388 for years thereafter. 505 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:28,931 What kind of a childhood did he have? 506 00:22:28,973 --> 00:22:31,059 What was the relationship with his mother? 507 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:33,561 And the more we talked, 508 00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:36,147 the more normal he seemed to be. 509 00:22:36,189 --> 00:22:41,819 ♪ 510 00:22:41,861 --> 00:22:43,905 MARK: On my way out, I was really shaken. 511 00:22:43,946 --> 00:22:46,574 Here was somebody who I knew in my heart 512 00:22:46,616 --> 00:22:49,786 had killed many women, I just knew it. 513 00:22:49,827 --> 00:22:52,246 And yet I felt that the person I was speaking with 514 00:22:52,288 --> 00:22:55,124 in that jail cell was not the person 515 00:22:55,166 --> 00:22:56,918 who did all these horrible things. 516 00:22:56,959 --> 00:22:58,377 The fact that someone 517 00:22:58,419 --> 00:23:01,672 whose background was so similar to mine 518 00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:05,384 could host a being 519 00:23:05,426 --> 00:23:08,513 capable of doing those horrible things, 520 00:23:08,554 --> 00:23:10,765 I just couldn't separate myself from him. 521 00:23:10,807 --> 00:23:14,769 ♪ 522 00:23:14,811 --> 00:23:16,646 MARK: If he was capable of it, 523 00:23:16,687 --> 00:23:19,565 then I had to confront the notion that maybe 524 00:23:19,607 --> 00:23:22,944 I could have been capable of something like that. 525 00:23:22,985 --> 00:23:26,405 ♪ 526 00:23:26,447 --> 00:23:29,784 ♪ 527 00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:31,744 REPORTER: A man who was a suspect in several cases 528 00:23:31,786 --> 00:23:33,287 of murder in four states 529 00:23:33,329 --> 00:23:36,666 has been formally charged in Florida with three. 530 00:23:38,668 --> 00:23:39,627 KEN [ARCHIVE]: Okay... 531 00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:40,628 Ladies and gentlemen of the press, 532 00:23:40,670 --> 00:23:42,380 I'm meeting with you tonight 533 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:46,801 to inform you that Theodore Robert Bundy 534 00:23:46,843 --> 00:23:50,221 has been indicted by the Grand Jury of Leon County 535 00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:51,764 this afternoon and... 536 00:23:51,806 --> 00:23:55,434 KEN: I was the director of the investigation 537 00:23:55,476 --> 00:23:57,145 that involved Ted Bundy. 538 00:23:57,186 --> 00:24:00,356 I had the authority to take over, 539 00:24:00,398 --> 00:24:03,651 and to discharge my duties by directing, and I did. 540 00:24:05,153 --> 00:24:09,282 I did not want to lose total control over him. 541 00:24:09,323 --> 00:24:10,992 Every time he did anything, 542 00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:15,454 it was approved by me. 543 00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:19,542 So, one person took, and I admit it, 544 00:24:19,584 --> 00:24:21,586 absolute control. 545 00:24:21,627 --> 00:24:22,837 KEN [ARCHIVE]: ...back here. 546 00:24:22,879 --> 00:24:24,380 I don't want any motioning to me. 547 00:24:24,422 --> 00:24:27,592 KEN: I went to Judge Cowart and to Harry Morrison, 548 00:24:27,633 --> 00:24:29,051 who was the state attorney, 549 00:24:29,093 --> 00:24:30,970 and said, "Here's my dilemma. 550 00:24:31,012 --> 00:24:32,346 "We have the indictment. 551 00:24:32,388 --> 00:24:34,348 "I want to get it out of the way, 552 00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:36,475 "but the media wants to be there." 553 00:24:36,517 --> 00:24:37,810 Judge Cowart said, 554 00:24:37,852 --> 00:24:40,521 "Sheriff, read that indictment tonight." 555 00:24:40,563 --> 00:24:41,898 KEN [ARCHIVE]: I have copies for you. 556 00:24:41,939 --> 00:24:42,940 MAN: Oh, you do. 557 00:24:42,982 --> 00:24:44,066 KEN: I have copies of the indictment 558 00:24:44,108 --> 00:24:45,902 to give each of you, so you're not... 559 00:24:45,943 --> 00:24:47,069 KEN: Harry Morrison, the state attorney said, 560 00:24:47,111 --> 00:24:48,362 "I agree. It's your jail; 561 00:24:48,404 --> 00:24:50,448 "it's your inmate. Handle it." 562 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:52,325 I said, "Okay." 563 00:24:52,366 --> 00:24:55,494 I had no idea how he was going to react. 564 00:25:00,374 --> 00:25:02,919 BUNDY: Gentlemen, I'm not to be paraded [inaudible]. 565 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,337 KEN: Step out, Mr. Bundy. 566 00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:10,509 BUNDY: What do we have here, Ken? 567 00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:11,552 Let's see. 568 00:25:11,594 --> 00:25:13,137 Oh, it's an indictment. All right. 569 00:25:13,179 --> 00:25:14,639 Why don't you read it to me? 570 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,724 You're up for election aren't you? 571 00:25:16,766 --> 00:25:17,767 KEN: Mr. Bundy... 572 00:25:17,808 --> 00:25:18,809 BUNDY: You got it, didn't you? 573 00:25:18,851 --> 00:25:20,061 KEN: Mr. Bundy... 574 00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:21,354 BUNDY: You told them that you were gonna get me. 575 00:25:21,395 --> 00:25:22,980 He said he was gonna get me, okay? 576 00:25:23,022 --> 00:25:25,524 You've got the indictment. It's all you're gonna get. 577 00:25:25,566 --> 00:25:27,860 Let's read it. Let's go. 578 00:25:27,902 --> 00:25:30,446 KEN: Theodore Robert Bundy, you are charged... 579 00:25:30,488 --> 00:25:33,282 MARK: Ken Katsaris realized what a bounty he had, 580 00:25:33,324 --> 00:25:36,285 and I just thought he was, you know, a guy on the way up, 581 00:25:36,327 --> 00:25:38,162 a showman, 582 00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:40,915 and I think he saw this as an opportunity 583 00:25:40,957 --> 00:25:44,961 to get local state but also national media 584 00:25:45,002 --> 00:25:48,547 by putting someone on display in his care, 585 00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:50,383 which was not ethical at all. 586 00:25:50,424 --> 00:25:52,426 He was willing to risk a show 587 00:25:52,468 --> 00:25:54,345 to sort of trot him out. 588 00:25:54,387 --> 00:25:57,181 Unprecedented, no legal reason for the show 589 00:25:57,223 --> 00:26:00,393 other than just seeking publicity for himself, 590 00:26:00,434 --> 00:26:01,602 as Katsaris. 591 00:26:01,644 --> 00:26:03,938 Now, in Bundy he had a willing victim. 592 00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:08,567 I mean, Bundy realized the media could help him, 593 00:26:08,609 --> 00:26:10,361 because it had in the past, 594 00:26:10,403 --> 00:26:13,531 to humanize him. 595 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:17,910 And so any opportunity he got to use the press, 596 00:26:17,952 --> 00:26:19,120 he would use. 597 00:26:19,161 --> 00:26:20,538 KEN: ...the death of said Lisa Levy. 598 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,081 BUNDY: My chance to talk to the press. 599 00:26:22,123 --> 00:26:24,917 KEN: Contrary to section 78204 Florida Statute. 600 00:26:24,959 --> 00:26:26,544 BUNDY: I'll plead not guilty right now. 601 00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:29,005 KEN: And your grand jurors being present... 602 00:26:29,046 --> 00:26:31,090 KEN: Obviously I got a lot of criticism 603 00:26:31,132 --> 00:26:35,386 because the media got to see the indictment reading. 604 00:26:35,428 --> 00:26:38,264 But they got a chance to see Ted Bundy 605 00:26:38,306 --> 00:26:42,435 with those eyes piercing, and him saying, 606 00:26:42,476 --> 00:26:45,813 "I am gonna plead not guilty right now." 607 00:26:45,855 --> 00:26:48,107 BUNDY: I've been kept in isolation for six months. 608 00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:49,942 I've been kept away from the press. 609 00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:51,277 I've been buried by you. 610 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:52,820 You've been talking for six months. 611 00:26:52,862 --> 00:26:56,240 I think it's my turn now. All right? 612 00:26:56,282 --> 00:26:57,658 KEN: We got a court order that you-- 613 00:26:57,700 --> 00:26:58,868 there wont be any press interviews. 614 00:26:58,909 --> 00:27:00,286 BUNDY: Sure there won't be any press interviews. 615 00:27:00,328 --> 00:27:02,455 You've given them out. I'm gagged, you're not. 616 00:27:02,496 --> 00:27:03,497 KEN: Okay. 617 00:27:03,539 --> 00:27:04,540 [inaudible] will read you your rights. 618 00:27:04,582 --> 00:27:05,666 BUNDY: I'll be heard. 619 00:27:05,708 --> 00:27:07,752 MARK: He was a guy powerless at this point, 620 00:27:07,793 --> 00:27:11,505 in a jumpsuit, being subjected to a show 621 00:27:11,547 --> 00:27:14,342 by someone who had complete control over his life. 622 00:27:14,383 --> 00:27:17,303 It changed the balance, because before that, 623 00:27:17,345 --> 00:27:19,722 the feelings against Ted were running very high. 624 00:27:19,764 --> 00:27:21,349 I mean, the feelings in Tallahassee 625 00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:23,851 were very, very raw in these killings 626 00:27:23,893 --> 00:27:25,644 and the injuring of these women, 627 00:27:25,686 --> 00:27:29,565 and it may have slowed down the sort of community-wide anger 628 00:27:29,607 --> 00:27:33,402 and fear that had been generated by Ted. 629 00:27:33,444 --> 00:27:36,030 INTERVIEWER: I have to say that when I look at that tape, 630 00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:40,117 it really looks like a media event. 631 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:41,911 KEN: See what I'm saying? 632 00:27:41,952 --> 00:27:43,913 That's why I never responded. 633 00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:45,498 Everybody has their own opinion. 634 00:27:45,539 --> 00:27:46,916 INTERVIEWER: But what's your response to that? 635 00:27:46,957 --> 00:27:48,000 What do you say to that? 636 00:27:48,042 --> 00:27:51,295 KEN: I don't care what you think. 637 00:27:51,337 --> 00:27:52,421 REPORTER: While the trial was getting underway 638 00:27:52,463 --> 00:27:53,631 here at the courthouse, 639 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:55,257 the 8th floor of the bank building next door 640 00:27:55,299 --> 00:27:57,009 was buzzing with activity. 641 00:27:57,051 --> 00:28:01,138 Theodore Robert Bundy is national news. 642 00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:02,848 MARK: The Bundy trial, in effect, 643 00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:07,353 was the OJ trial of 1979. 644 00:28:07,395 --> 00:28:09,271 REPORTER: Three key things happened in court today 645 00:28:09,313 --> 00:28:11,607 as the murder trial of Ted Bundy continues 646 00:28:11,649 --> 00:28:14,735 in these three days of free trial hearings. 647 00:28:14,777 --> 00:28:16,821 The major surprise came late in the afternoon 648 00:28:16,862 --> 00:28:19,949 when Bundy, wearing a Seattle Mariners T-shirt, 649 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:21,450 took the stand... 650 00:28:21,492 --> 00:28:23,619 MARK: We knew we had a big story. 651 00:28:23,661 --> 00:28:25,663 We knew that it was a first 652 00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:28,374 in terms of a big, national, international trial 653 00:28:28,416 --> 00:28:29,834 on television. 654 00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:32,586 REPORTER: Tonight, Ted Bundy and cameras in the courtroom. 655 00:28:32,628 --> 00:28:34,380 REPORTER 2: We're in the newsroom on the ninth floor 656 00:28:34,422 --> 00:28:37,758 of the Metro Justice building, five floors above the courtroom. 657 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,510 WOMAN: Keep your pieces short 658 00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:42,805 so that we can all get on the air. 659 00:28:42,847 --> 00:28:44,348 PHOTOGRAPHER: Smile, Ted. 660 00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:45,558 MARK: I mean, the networks were there. 661 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:46,559 We had a feed room. 662 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,061 We built a newsroom in a courthouse. 663 00:28:49,103 --> 00:28:50,729 REPORTER: If the verdict is guilty of murder 664 00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:51,939 in the first degree, 665 00:28:51,981 --> 00:28:53,566 Bundy could be sentenced to die. 666 00:28:53,607 --> 00:28:57,528 MARK: You had young women who had been brutally murdered 667 00:28:57,570 --> 00:29:00,823 by a really good-looking guy that didn't fit the pattern. 668 00:29:00,865 --> 00:29:02,366 I mean, it had all the elements. 669 00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:05,244 It was made for TV, and TV was there. 670 00:29:05,286 --> 00:29:08,956 REPORTER: Three, two, one. 671 00:29:08,998 --> 00:29:10,291 MAN: Here he comes. 672 00:29:10,332 --> 00:29:12,626 WOMAN: Is anybody using a walkie-talkie on this floor? 673 00:29:12,668 --> 00:29:14,712 You're breaking up the feed! 674 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:16,839 MAN: Get ready, Larry, it's coming up. 675 00:29:16,881 --> 00:29:19,091 ♪ 676 00:29:19,133 --> 00:29:20,968 MARK: Murder trials are drama more than anything else. 677 00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:22,303 They're ritualized dramas: 678 00:29:22,344 --> 00:29:23,929 a beginning, a middle, and an end. 679 00:29:23,971 --> 00:29:26,807 There's usually a resolution, unlike many things in life. 680 00:29:26,849 --> 00:29:28,476 I prefer to be in the courtroom every day 681 00:29:28,517 --> 00:29:30,478 because that's just the way I do what I do. 682 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,647 Sometimes you just feel something in the courtroom, 683 00:29:33,689 --> 00:29:35,483 a look on somebody's face, you know, 684 00:29:35,524 --> 00:29:38,068 an intake of breath in the jury box. 685 00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:39,195 REPORTER: During what might be the most 686 00:29:39,236 --> 00:29:41,155 brutally descriptive day of testimony, 687 00:29:41,197 --> 00:29:43,240 Ted Bundy looked more like a defence attorney 688 00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:46,076 than a defendant on trial for his life. 689 00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:48,120 MARK: When Ted insisted on defending himself, 690 00:29:48,162 --> 00:29:50,831 he wanted to show that he was a competent lawyer 691 00:29:50,873 --> 00:29:52,374 in the making. 692 00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:56,420 But then I think the limelight infected him in some way, 693 00:29:56,462 --> 00:29:59,173 and I think he was really then playing to this 694 00:29:59,215 --> 00:30:01,133 much larger audience than that 12 people 695 00:30:01,175 --> 00:30:02,551 in the jury box. 696 00:30:02,593 --> 00:30:04,136 JUDGE: You gonna talk to me, or are you gonna talk to them? 697 00:30:04,178 --> 00:30:05,596 BUNDY: I'm gonna show this to Mr. Miller. 698 00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:08,849 JAMES: He was focused on managing his image, 699 00:30:08,891 --> 00:30:11,685 but when he stood up to question a witness, 700 00:30:11,727 --> 00:30:13,812 it wasn't because there was a point to it, 701 00:30:13,854 --> 00:30:16,482 it was he was standing up to question a witness, 702 00:30:16,524 --> 00:30:18,442 and they caught that on camera. 703 00:30:18,484 --> 00:30:20,444 BUNDY: Do you recall her telling you that she... 704 00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:22,738 she remembers the assailant being young? 705 00:30:22,780 --> 00:30:24,323 ATTORNEY: Objection. 706 00:30:24,365 --> 00:30:26,450 JAMES: And he looked like a lawyer and he asked questions, 707 00:30:26,492 --> 00:30:28,869 his mouth moved, and so, you know, 708 00:30:28,911 --> 00:30:30,204 therefore the public would say, 709 00:30:30,246 --> 00:30:33,374 "Wow, that's amazing. This guy's like a lawyer." 710 00:30:33,415 --> 00:30:37,044 And the fact that the press, you know, responded to him 711 00:30:37,086 --> 00:30:39,046 just encouraged him. 712 00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:43,425 ELIZABETH: I thought he enjoyed it too much. 713 00:30:43,467 --> 00:30:46,887 I would see him on TV carrying boxes of legal documents, 714 00:30:46,929 --> 00:30:49,640 and playing the role of attorney 715 00:30:49,682 --> 00:30:53,435 like this is his big chance to act like an attorney. 716 00:30:53,477 --> 00:30:56,146 It was just bizarre. 717 00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:57,815 ATTORNEY: Nita, do you see the man that you saw 718 00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:01,443 at the door of the Chi Omega house on January 15, 1978, 719 00:31:01,485 --> 00:31:02,778 [inaudible]? 720 00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:04,947 NITA: Yes, I believe I do. 721 00:31:04,989 --> 00:31:07,283 MOLLY: I was at my grandparents' house in the summer, 722 00:31:07,324 --> 00:31:09,868 and it was my habit to watch TV in the mornings 723 00:31:09,910 --> 00:31:11,579 down there, and... 724 00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:17,585 NITA: This is the first time that I've seen him in life. 725 00:31:17,626 --> 00:31:19,420 MOLLY: I would sit and watch this every day, 726 00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:22,381 and nobody really understood what I was watching. 727 00:31:22,423 --> 00:31:25,384 NITA: ...and I think I recognize it now better 728 00:31:25,426 --> 00:31:28,012 than I ever have before. 729 00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,305 MOLLY: That was the moment for me 730 00:31:29,346 --> 00:31:31,682 where I just... my whole world shifted 731 00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:35,978 and I saw him as something entirely different. 732 00:31:36,020 --> 00:31:38,522 It's one thing to know that someone's probably guilty, 733 00:31:38,564 --> 00:31:41,066 but it's another thing to really understand 734 00:31:41,108 --> 00:31:43,193 guilty of what. 735 00:31:43,235 --> 00:31:46,155 KATHY: My jaw was broken in three places. 736 00:31:46,196 --> 00:31:49,742 I had lacerations on my shoulder 737 00:31:49,783 --> 00:31:52,411 and like whiplash on my neck. 738 00:31:52,453 --> 00:31:55,748 KAREN: And I had cuts on my head. 739 00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:57,791 I had a broken jaw. 740 00:31:57,833 --> 00:32:00,085 Some of my teeth were knocked out. 741 00:32:00,127 --> 00:32:03,797 MOLLY: It was... 742 00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:07,718 really, uh... 743 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,139 so shattering to see 744 00:32:12,181 --> 00:32:14,141 these murdered women, 745 00:32:14,183 --> 00:32:17,770 to see the evidence that depicted their smashed heads, 746 00:32:17,811 --> 00:32:21,857 and... 747 00:32:21,899 --> 00:32:25,527 hear about the physical things 748 00:32:25,569 --> 00:32:27,321 that were inflicted upon them, 749 00:32:27,363 --> 00:32:30,824 and see the evidence of such. 750 00:32:30,866 --> 00:32:34,828 It was horrendous. 751 00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:39,208 And I knew. 752 00:32:39,249 --> 00:32:43,045 ♪ 753 00:32:43,087 --> 00:32:46,507 MOLLY: It's just like, where do you get disbelief 754 00:32:46,548 --> 00:32:49,927 at that point? 755 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,888 I couldn't find it, and I loved him very much. 756 00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:56,016 ♪ 757 00:32:56,058 --> 00:32:57,685 INTERVIEWER: Still? 758 00:32:57,726 --> 00:33:01,647 MOLLY: At that time, yes, I loved him very much. 759 00:33:02,856 --> 00:33:07,194 [overlapping conversation in newsroom] 760 00:33:07,236 --> 00:33:10,572 MARK: There were some journalists who felt 761 00:33:10,614 --> 00:33:12,449 that Bundy was innocent, 762 00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:14,326 that he couldn't have done this. 763 00:33:14,368 --> 00:33:16,704 ♪ 764 00:33:16,745 --> 00:33:19,081 REPORTER: He was relaxed and confident in court, 765 00:33:19,123 --> 00:33:21,041 and took the time to chat a few minutes with me 766 00:33:21,083 --> 00:33:23,460 about Seattle, about his family, 767 00:33:23,502 --> 00:33:25,295 and to welcome me to Miami, 768 00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:27,631 smiling when the guard very obviously wanted 769 00:33:27,673 --> 00:33:29,800 our conversation to end. 770 00:33:29,842 --> 00:33:33,262 GINGER: He got coverage that fell for his act. 771 00:33:33,303 --> 00:33:35,264 That was a failure on the part of the press, 772 00:33:35,305 --> 00:33:38,100 a failure to look deeper and think harder 773 00:33:38,142 --> 00:33:41,854 about what it was they were dealing with. 774 00:33:41,895 --> 00:33:46,233 ♪ 775 00:33:46,275 --> 00:33:47,901 REPORTER: Theodore Robert Bundy at age 25, 776 00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:50,404 a Republican campaign worker in Seattle. 777 00:33:50,446 --> 00:33:52,990 At 28, a University of Utah law student. 778 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,908 At 30, a Colorado jail escapee 779 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:57,494 and one of the FBI's 10 Most Wanted men. 780 00:33:57,536 --> 00:33:58,954 That must've been a terrifying moment 781 00:33:58,996 --> 00:34:00,956 for this young man who has maintained his innocence 782 00:34:00,998 --> 00:34:04,835 in every crime he has been accused of. 783 00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:08,672 GINGER: It's a discounting of the stories of the women 784 00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:13,218 in favour of the central hero, 785 00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:14,678 for lack of a better word, 786 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:17,931 being the most important character in the narrative. 787 00:34:17,973 --> 00:34:19,933 REPORTER: Each day the courtroom is filled with spectators 788 00:34:19,975 --> 00:34:22,811 drawn by a fascination with Theodore Bundy himself, 789 00:34:22,853 --> 00:34:25,397 or by the gruesome details of the crimes. 790 00:34:25,439 --> 00:34:28,066 WOMAN: You try to imagine yourself in his place 791 00:34:28,108 --> 00:34:29,526 and to see how he's feeling, 792 00:34:29,568 --> 00:34:31,862 looking at the pillows with bloodstains and everything, 793 00:34:31,904 --> 00:34:34,323 if he really did it or not. 794 00:34:34,364 --> 00:34:35,949 WOMAN: It scares me be in the same room with him, 795 00:34:35,991 --> 00:34:39,912 but I know there's other people in there, so... 796 00:34:39,953 --> 00:34:41,205 REPORTER: Why do you do it? 797 00:34:41,246 --> 00:34:42,915 WOMAN: I don't know. [laughs] 798 00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:44,750 REPORTER: But one woman who has been at the trial 799 00:34:44,792 --> 00:34:45,959 for the past four days, 800 00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:47,377 and who frequently confers with Bundy, 801 00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:49,463 has another impression entirely. 802 00:34:49,505 --> 00:34:52,216 Carole Boone believes Bundy is completely innocent. 803 00:34:52,257 --> 00:34:54,343 Some have called her his girlfriend. 804 00:34:54,384 --> 00:34:58,764 She prefers to be known as just a close personal friend. 805 00:34:58,806 --> 00:35:00,224 MARK: In the beginning people were saying, 806 00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:03,101 "Have you heard about this woman, Carole Boone?" 807 00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:06,230 She was in the courtroom I think pretty much every day. 808 00:35:06,271 --> 00:35:09,399 She was not expressive, 809 00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,318 except for this weird smile she had 810 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,071 when she would talk about stuff. 811 00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:16,156 She was just a little strange, 812 00:35:16,198 --> 00:35:18,033 and no matter what happened, 813 00:35:18,075 --> 00:35:19,827 no matter what the day's testimony was, 814 00:35:19,868 --> 00:35:21,703 she would have an explanation for why it was wrong 815 00:35:21,745 --> 00:35:23,872 or not incriminating. 816 00:35:23,914 --> 00:35:25,666 REPORTER: Carole Boone says she first met Ted Bundy 817 00:35:25,707 --> 00:35:27,709 five years ago when they worked in the same office 818 00:35:27,751 --> 00:35:29,378 in Seattle, Washington. 819 00:35:29,419 --> 00:35:30,921 Since that time, she has followed him, 820 00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:33,674 helping him prepare his legal cases, from Utah, 821 00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:36,093 where he was convicted of kidnapping a young woman, 822 00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:39,221 to Colorado, where he is suspected of murdering another, 823 00:35:39,263 --> 00:35:40,806 and finally now to Florida. 824 00:35:40,848 --> 00:35:43,851 CAROLE: Let me put it this way. I... I don't think that... 825 00:35:43,892 --> 00:35:45,519 that Ted belongs in jail. 826 00:35:45,561 --> 00:35:48,105 The things in Florida don't concern me. 827 00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:50,357 MARK: Carole would come up and just talk to 828 00:35:50,399 --> 00:35:52,985 individual reporters, and my memory is 829 00:35:53,026 --> 00:35:57,239 that she would be spinning for Ted. 830 00:35:57,281 --> 00:36:00,367 She was definitely talking on his behalf, 831 00:36:00,409 --> 00:36:02,786 and she seemed absolutely sincere. 832 00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:04,538 REPORTER: Boone says she has twice been allowed 833 00:36:04,580 --> 00:36:05,747 to visit Bundy in jail 834 00:36:05,789 --> 00:36:08,208 since he was brought to Miami six days ago. 835 00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:13,422 She describes him as nervous but cautiously hopeful. 836 00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:14,923 INTERVIEWER: Well, what did you make of him 837 00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:17,050 taking up with Carole Boone? 838 00:36:19,386 --> 00:36:22,264 ELIZABETH: I'm just glad it wasn't me. 839 00:36:22,306 --> 00:36:24,766 BUNDY: I'll call Carole Boone. 840 00:36:24,808 --> 00:36:26,685 ELIZABETH: I just felt like she's gonna be 841 00:36:26,727 --> 00:36:28,812 just as roped in as I was, 842 00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:31,690 she's gonna be used just like I was. 843 00:36:31,732 --> 00:36:34,276 This isn't gonna end well for her. 844 00:36:34,318 --> 00:36:37,654 BUNDY: And are you familiar with the defendant, myself? 845 00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:38,739 CAROLE: Yes. 846 00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:39,740 BUNDY: And how long have you known me? 847 00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:42,034 CAROLE: Uh, since May of 1974. 848 00:36:42,075 --> 00:36:45,454 ELIZABETH: He had spent a lifetime observing women 849 00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:48,999 and deciding which was going to become a victim, 850 00:36:49,041 --> 00:36:51,168 and I think he could tell 851 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:54,713 when women had the codependence issue 852 00:36:54,755 --> 00:36:59,468 where they wanted to help him in any way they could. 853 00:36:59,509 --> 00:37:01,720 CAROLE: I don't think they had reason to charge Ted Bundy 854 00:37:01,762 --> 00:37:05,349 with... with murder in either Leon County or... 855 00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:06,892 or Columbia County. 856 00:37:06,934 --> 00:37:09,102 MOLLY: You know, all the facts of the case, 857 00:37:09,144 --> 00:37:11,647 I don't understand how she made it through all of that 858 00:37:11,688 --> 00:37:13,857 and still believed in him. 859 00:37:13,899 --> 00:37:15,067 BUNDY: What is that picture of? 860 00:37:15,108 --> 00:37:19,404 CAROLE: That's a photograph of you, 861 00:37:19,446 --> 00:37:22,824 taken several years ago, before you were in custody. 862 00:37:22,866 --> 00:37:25,661 MOLLY: But I do believe she believed in him. 863 00:37:25,702 --> 00:37:26,912 I mean, I can't judge her. 864 00:37:26,954 --> 00:37:31,667 I can't judge any single person, you know, in this story. 865 00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:34,294 I mean, we all just did the best we could. 866 00:37:34,336 --> 00:37:38,507 But I don't-- I'm not sure why her story went like that. 867 00:37:40,133 --> 00:37:41,343 ATTORNEY: ... that these two right here, 868 00:37:41,385 --> 00:37:45,722 which are State's exhibits number six and seven... 869 00:37:45,764 --> 00:37:47,057 MARK: On one of the days that they presented 870 00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:48,976 the autopsy photographs, 871 00:37:49,017 --> 00:37:51,186 what I was seeing was the graphic evidence 872 00:37:51,228 --> 00:37:53,230 of the damage he did to these women. 873 00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:57,651 You know, they're horrific pictures, horrible stuff. 874 00:37:57,693 --> 00:37:58,735 As I looked at these women, 875 00:37:58,777 --> 00:38:01,446 these women looked like women who I knew. 876 00:38:01,488 --> 00:38:03,323 I was the same age as Bundy. 877 00:38:03,365 --> 00:38:05,867 I was still on the fringes of a college campus, 878 00:38:05,909 --> 00:38:08,412 and these were faces of people 879 00:38:08,453 --> 00:38:10,664 that I could see on my own campus 880 00:38:10,706 --> 00:38:12,916 in my own college town. 881 00:38:12,958 --> 00:38:15,627 On that day, I left the trial coverage 882 00:38:15,669 --> 00:38:17,879 and was having dinner with another journalist 883 00:38:17,921 --> 00:38:19,506 and I just in the middle of dinner, 884 00:38:19,548 --> 00:38:23,468 I just started to weep because it was so horrific. 885 00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:26,221 How could you maintain that intensity 886 00:38:26,263 --> 00:38:29,516 of hatred for women 887 00:38:29,558 --> 00:38:32,853 and be able to do this time after time after time? 888 00:38:32,894 --> 00:38:36,565 ♪ 889 00:38:36,606 --> 00:38:40,485 ♪ 890 00:38:40,527 --> 00:38:44,197 ♪ 891 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,201 ♪ 892 00:38:48,243 --> 00:38:49,953 ♪ 893 00:38:49,995 --> 00:38:51,621 REPORTER: The verdict is in. 894 00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:53,206 Guilty on seven counts, 895 00:38:53,248 --> 00:38:55,000 including assault and burglary, 896 00:38:55,042 --> 00:38:57,002 attempted murder, and murder. 897 00:38:57,044 --> 00:38:59,296 At this point, the judge has recessed the jury 898 00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:00,714 until Saturday morning. 899 00:39:00,756 --> 00:39:03,091 At that time, the 12 members will decide 900 00:39:03,133 --> 00:39:05,719 whether to recommend the death penalty. 901 00:39:05,761 --> 00:39:07,220 JUDGE: This court, independent of, 902 00:39:07,262 --> 00:39:10,140 but in agreement with, the advisor's sentence 903 00:39:10,182 --> 00:39:11,600 rendered by the jury 904 00:39:11,641 --> 00:39:14,186 does hereby impose the death penalty 905 00:39:14,227 --> 00:39:16,605 upon the defendant, Theodore Robert Bundy. 906 00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:20,025 MARK: All of us who covered that trial can remember 907 00:39:20,067 --> 00:39:23,987 categorically what he said to Bundy 908 00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:27,657 when he-- after he sentenced him to die. 909 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:29,367 JUDGE: Take care of yourself, young man. 910 00:39:29,409 --> 00:39:30,368 BUNDY: Thank you. 911 00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:32,079 JUDGE: I say that to you sincerely. 912 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,997 Take care of yourself. 913 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,666 It's a tragedy for this court to see 914 00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:39,878 such a total waste, I think, of humanity 915 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,630 that I have experienced in this court. 916 00:39:41,671 --> 00:39:44,382 You're a bright young man. 917 00:39:44,424 --> 00:39:45,634 You'd have made a good lawyer. 918 00:39:45,675 --> 00:39:47,594 I'd have loved to have you practice in front of me, 919 00:39:47,636 --> 00:39:50,388 but you went another way, partner. 920 00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:51,723 Take care of yourself. 921 00:39:51,765 --> 00:39:53,350 I don't have any animosity to you. 922 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:55,727 I want you to know it. Take care of yourself. 923 00:39:55,769 --> 00:39:59,147 BUNDY: Thank you. JUDGE: Court will be in recess. 924 00:39:59,189 --> 00:40:01,775 JANE: That he would say that to him with no concern 925 00:40:01,817 --> 00:40:05,737 really for what these women actually experienced... 926 00:40:05,779 --> 00:40:07,489 It's almost paying homage to him, 927 00:40:07,531 --> 00:40:09,950 and that is a scary, scary thing. 928 00:40:09,991 --> 00:40:11,118 REPORTER: Following this court case, 929 00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,411 he will stand trial in Lake City, Florida 930 00:40:13,453 --> 00:40:14,871 for another death, 931 00:40:14,913 --> 00:40:18,583 that of 12-year-old Kimberly Anne Leach. 932 00:40:18,625 --> 00:40:21,962 ♪ 933 00:40:25,549 --> 00:40:27,676 REPORTER: Wearing a blue bowtie and a big grin, 934 00:40:27,717 --> 00:40:30,637 Theodore Bundy faced the jury for the last time. 935 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:33,181 They reconvened to hear testimony from both sides 936 00:40:33,223 --> 00:40:35,851 before deciding whether to recommend life in prison 937 00:40:35,892 --> 00:40:37,644 or the death penalty. 938 00:40:37,686 --> 00:40:40,814 The defence called only one witness, Carole Boone. 939 00:40:40,856 --> 00:40:42,190 Acting as his own lawyer, 940 00:40:42,232 --> 00:40:44,818 Bundy questioned her about his character. 941 00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:47,821 She said he's a kind, warm, patient man, 942 00:40:47,863 --> 00:40:50,115 a very positive part of her life. 943 00:40:50,157 --> 00:40:52,909 Then the convicted man popped the question. 944 00:40:52,951 --> 00:40:55,495 BUNDY: Will you marry me? CAROLE: Yes, I will. 945 00:40:55,537 --> 00:40:58,081 BUNDY: Then I do hereby marry you, okay. 946 00:40:58,123 --> 00:41:01,251 ELIZABETH: When they got married, I just thought... 947 00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:02,669 I felt slightly disgusted 948 00:41:02,711 --> 00:41:06,548 just because it was such a Ted... 949 00:41:06,590 --> 00:41:10,719 showboating type thing to do. 950 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,514 MOLLY: He married her on the stand, 951 00:41:14,556 --> 00:41:17,851 at the trial of this girl 952 00:41:17,893 --> 00:41:21,563 who he... 953 00:41:21,605 --> 00:41:25,066 raped and mutilated and murdered, 954 00:41:25,108 --> 00:41:27,694 and... 955 00:41:27,736 --> 00:41:31,281 every year that I have gained since then, 956 00:41:31,323 --> 00:41:36,369 I think about her and the years that she did not gain. 957 00:41:36,411 --> 00:41:39,331 ♪ 958 00:41:39,372 --> 00:41:40,916 REPORTER: The prosecution called the marriage proposal 959 00:41:40,957 --> 00:41:43,251 a charade, and asked the jury to consider 960 00:41:43,293 --> 00:41:45,295 the timing of the announcement. 961 00:41:45,337 --> 00:41:47,839 The jury deliberated about 45 minutes. 962 00:41:47,881 --> 00:41:51,176 They came back with a decision of death. 963 00:41:51,218 --> 00:41:52,969 JUROR: A majority of the jury advise and recommend 964 00:41:53,011 --> 00:41:55,180 to the court that it impose the death penalty 965 00:41:55,222 --> 00:41:57,390 upon the defendant, Theodore Robert Bundy, 966 00:41:57,432 --> 00:41:59,601 dated this 9th day of February, 1980, 967 00:41:59,643 --> 00:42:01,978 in Orlando, Orange County, Florida. 968 00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:04,231 JUDGE: It is further ordered that you, Theodore Robert Bundy, 969 00:42:04,272 --> 00:42:05,857 be taken by the proper authority 970 00:42:05,899 --> 00:42:08,276 to the Florida State Prison, and there be kept 971 00:42:08,318 --> 00:42:12,364 and closely confined till the date of your execution is set. 972 00:42:12,405 --> 00:42:18,370 [inaudible voices] 973 00:42:18,411 --> 00:42:22,123 ♪ 974 00:42:22,165 --> 00:42:23,541 ELIZABETH: I mean, so many women died, 975 00:42:23,583 --> 00:42:25,919 and I just felt like, "Why am I still alive?" 976 00:42:25,961 --> 00:42:27,837 And I was miserable. 977 00:42:27,879 --> 00:42:30,382 I think about the fear that they must've felt 978 00:42:30,423 --> 00:42:33,176 once this charming man turned into the monster 979 00:42:33,218 --> 00:42:35,845 that he was. 980 00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:38,598 I just felt decimated. 981 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,726 That I was a complete failure as a human being 982 00:42:41,768 --> 00:42:45,272 and as a mother, 983 00:42:45,313 --> 00:42:48,733 and... 984 00:42:48,775 --> 00:42:52,028 that I really didn't deserve 985 00:42:52,070 --> 00:42:55,115 to be alive. 986 00:42:55,156 --> 00:42:57,617 ♪ 987 00:42:57,659 --> 00:43:00,245 And I should be dead too. 988 00:43:00,287 --> 00:43:03,999 ♪ 989 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,837 ♪ 990 00:43:08,878 --> 00:43:13,842 ♪ 991 00:43:13,883 --> 00:43:18,763 ♪ 992 00:43:18,805 --> 00:43:23,768 ♪ 993 00:43:23,810 --> 00:43:33,778 ♪ 994 00:43:33,820 --> 00:43:38,783 ♪ 995 00:43:38,825 --> 00:43:43,788 ♪ 996 00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:48,793 ♪ 997 00:43:48,835 --> 00:43:53,840 ♪ 998 00:43:58,845 --> 00:44:03,808 ♪ 999 00:44:03,850 --> 00:44:08,646 ♪