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REPORTER: The jury
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They came back with
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JUROR: A majority
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and recommend to the court

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that it impose the death penalty
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Theodore Robert Bundy.

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JUDGE: The court is adjourned.

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TED: You tell the jury
that they were wrong.

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ELIZABETH: So many women died,
and I just felt like,

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"Why am I still alive?

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"I should be dead too."

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I can't imagine anybody
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Having this relationship with
somebody who's become so iconic

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for being the most horrific
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I didn't really start
rebuilding my life

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until he told me
the truth from Florida

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when he called me
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ELIZABETH: [archive] Yeah,
I asked him specifically about

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the Florida murders.

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He said he felt like he had
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like the alcoholic that
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He told me there was just
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and he knew it now.

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ELIZABETH: Well,
I finally knew the truth.

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Yes, he did those things.

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I didn't feel like I was really
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I just had to hear it from him.

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But to know that he was
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when we were still
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it's just really a...

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a hard idea to incorporate,

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to integrate into my life.

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That fact invalidates
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It seems like nothing was real
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and my daughter.

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MOLLY: I don't give a fuck
whether he loved us or not.

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It makes no difference.

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INTERVIEWER: Do you think
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MOLLY: Probably.

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♪ Poses, poses... ♪

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♪ That's all you
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♪ Roses, roses... ♪

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♪ That's all you're
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NEWS ANNOUNCER: Ted Bundy is not
just another death row inmate.

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Convicted of three
murders in Florida,

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suspected of a great many
more in Washington State,

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Oregon, Utah, and Colorado.

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Ted Bundy became infamous...

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DIANA: I'd just moved to
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and one of my professors
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in Gainesville Citizens
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And he would invite
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people involved
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and there was Carole.

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DIANA: And we
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She talked about the circus
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and Ted's side of it,

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and how she could believe
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She married him at
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TED: Will you marry me?
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TED: And I do hereby marry you.

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DIANA: She was
very much protected

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and surrounded by people
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whether he was innocent
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attached to
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STEVEN: Carole Boone was
the woman that had approached

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my editor and offered
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I went, we went out to lunch,
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her relationship to Bundy,
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working on his behalf
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and wondered if I'd like to be
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I thought she was very smart.

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I was very impressed with her.
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but she was all in.

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You know, she committed her
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were difficult to witness.

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DIANA: They were going to
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where she would
get him off death row

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and they would have a family.

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DIANA: She was
going to save him,

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and that goes back
to her history

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of her 15-year-old
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in a neighbour's pool.

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She definitely felt responsible
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about Frank's drowning

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while she was supposed
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"I need to save,
I need to redeem,

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"and I'll save this man."

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You know, there were Christmas
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You know, Ted, Carole, Rosa,

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and even the dog print
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And they were
trying to be normal.

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They had not had
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"Normal" was a big word.

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ELIZABETH: I feel like
me and my daughter

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were about the realest things
that he ever had in his life,

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that we represented something
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and that he tried to maintain.

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It was so easy for me
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um...

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thinking of the first years
we were together, and...

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You know, I've wondered,
was that just all a big act?

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And that's part of the reason
I kept that scrapbook

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full of snapshots, was like...

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you know,
it shows what we were--

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what we had together
in the beginning.

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Ad if they weren't real, then it
just makes me feel like this...

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I'm as crazy as Ted was.

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MOLLY: I had to go
from the place of love

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and tenderness
to the place of how...

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how does this person

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enjoy to tear women apart

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with his bare hands?

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do such a thing?

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It's hard for me to look on
those pictures and see him

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treating me so tenderly,

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and to really believe
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INTERVIEWER: Do you remember
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with your brother?

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RICH: Well, there were several
camping trips like that.

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I could be about nine or ten.

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Maybe eight, right?

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On one hand, I'm curious
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you know, I must admit that
right now I'm thinking about it,

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seeing this,
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I couldn't care less.

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It kind of sucks
to have to say it,

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but I wouldn't-- I really
wouldn't want this picture.

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There's no joy in it.

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Absolutely none.

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There was then,
but not now.

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He could do a million of these,

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but it doesn't outweigh one...

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just one of the victims,
you know?

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One of those people.

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It only takes one person
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it makes it all just
go to shit, you know?

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CONNIE: Ten years ago tomorrow,

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The Supreme Court
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reinstated the death penalty,

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and tomorrow a man
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was going to die
in Florida's electric chair.

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He's been granted a last-minute
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pending an appeal based
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JAMES: The call came to a
young associate, and he said,

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you know, "There's a warrant,
and we need somebody to file

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"an application for a stay of
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And he asked me,

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and asked another
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Polly Nelson,
if we would take on the case.

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POLLY: Associate walked
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"Do you want a little
pro-bono project?"

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And I thought, "Oh my god,
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"why I became a lawyer."

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I mean, that's
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is to represent
somebody on death row

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against being
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and this was my
very first legal case.

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I could picture him alone in
his cell waiting to be executed.

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You know, this is
extremely personal for me

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to identify
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[thunder and rain]

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POLLY: When I was 10 or 11,

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I just remember after a rain,

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worms had ended up
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and the water had receded
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And I felt so sorry for them

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that then I made
a mud bath for them,

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and I put them
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because they seemed
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and that that was the reason
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because nobody else
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POLLY: I went to the prison
for the first time to meet him,

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and they put us
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basically where
the families met,

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and I was shocked.

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It was not what I was expecting
from a maximum-security prison.

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He showed me pictures
of his daughter

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and his wife.

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Polaroids that the guards
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on family day.

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So I looked at him
and I thought, "Okay, now,

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"what can I see in this
man that would alert me?"

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But I saw nothing.
There was-- there was nothing.

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No sense of guilt.

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He was humble and quiet, and...

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and I couldn't recognize danger.

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No sense of it whatsoever.

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JAMES: I think
he wanted to impress us

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that he was a good guy.

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He wanted us to respect him,

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I think, as a...
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To not be recoiled by him.
To... you know,

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to sit in a room and
have a conversation with him,

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and not, you know,
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POLLY: I felt I held
his life in my hands,

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like a worm or a kitten.

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And when you have someone's
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you don't make a lot
of judgements about...

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the bigger picture.

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It becomes...

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non-negotiable.

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This person is going
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DIANA: He was exhausting.

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Obsessive, demanding, moody.

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Always needing.

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As if she didn't
have enough to do.

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REPORTER: Come on, Carole,
tell us how he feels.

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JAMEY: Shut up.

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REPORTER: What'd Mr. Bundy
have to say today?

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JAMEY: You shut up, too.

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REPORTER: What did Mr. Bundy--
JAMEY: Shut up!

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DIANA: She was
just tired of him.

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The letters became
more and more infrequent.

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DIANA: And the stay of
executions were starting

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to become less
and less probable.

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[tires squealing]

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ELIZABETH: After he
was convicted in Utah,

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that was in...

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that was March 1st of '76.

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I was completely devastated,

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because I just
couldn't get a grip.

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I knew I had to put
my life back together.

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I started seeing a counsellor,
and he told me

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that if I continued to drink
he wouldn't see me.

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He said, "You've
got to quit drinking

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"if you're gonna get well."

260
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I finally got sober
in a recovery program,

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which was pivotal.

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And just working,
working, working,

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to like rebuild my life.

264
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Until then, I was not a very
good mom to Molly, for sure.

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♪

266
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ELIZABETH: She's a
really strong, wonderful,

267
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smart young woman,
and she does quite well.

268
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But there's not any way

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to give her back her childhood.

270
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MOLLY: You know, nobody
sets out to drag their child

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through this, and it has
to be a terrible feeling

272
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that this all went so wrong.

273
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And I know that she did
the very best that she could.

274
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And I don't have
any feelings of...

275
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...blame or anything
like that about it.

276
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It wasn't her fault.

277
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But it was a really
challenging time for me.

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I did things that were so
reckless, because I didn't care.

279
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I tried to drink myself
to death, I believe.

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I felt like a rabbit
in its hole waiting to die

281
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during parts of my drinking.

282
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I just drank till
I would fall asleep,

283
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because I wanted my life to be
past now so it could be done.

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♪

285
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NEWS ANNOUNCER: A federal judge
today refused to put off

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the execution, and unless the
US Supreme Court orders a stay,

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Bundy will die.

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DIANA: Ted had never
admitted to Carole anything

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but that he was innocent.

290
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But just before it looked like

291
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there were no more
stay of executions,

292
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he had run it out,

293
00:14:08,932 --> 00:14:12,894
he called her and asked

294
00:14:12,936 --> 00:14:16,106
if he should...

295
00:14:16,147 --> 00:14:17,857
tell them where
the bodies are buried.

296
00:14:17,899 --> 00:14:22,112
They call it
bones for time.

297
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And that was his way
of telling her

298
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that there were bodies
that he knew about,

299
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and that he had actually
killed all those people.

300
00:14:31,246 --> 00:14:34,332
That call was just...

301
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devastating for her.

302
00:14:36,751 --> 00:14:39,296
She was really angry.

303
00:14:39,337 --> 00:14:41,798
I'm surprised she
talked to him at all.

304
00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:46,428
And he wanted to talk to Rosa,
and she said no.

305
00:14:46,469 --> 00:14:49,848
So there was no
goodbye for Rosa.

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♪

307
00:14:53,476 --> 00:14:56,771
♪

308
00:14:56,813 --> 00:14:59,399
POLLY: So, he wanted to
confess to law enforcement,

309
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thinking that that
would ingratiate him to

310
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the governor for...
in cooperating.

311
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And so I said,
"Okay, well, you'll have to

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"describe one to me first,

313
00:15:09,784 --> 00:15:12,537
"so I can see
what that sounds like,

314
00:15:12,579 --> 00:15:15,540
"and what is it that
you're going to say."

315
00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:17,917
So... he's very
reluctant to start,

316
00:15:17,959 --> 00:15:20,587
and we're sitting in this small,
this time,

317
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room in the Warden's office,
just on a small table,

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and he's got his hands
on the-- on the table,

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and his whole persona,

320
00:15:28,887 --> 00:15:32,515
his whole physical being,
is darkening.

321
00:15:32,557 --> 00:15:36,603
His arms are getting dark,
his face is getting dark

322
00:15:36,645 --> 00:15:39,856
and he...

323
00:15:39,898 --> 00:15:43,234
goes to a different place.
He was in a different place.

324
00:15:43,276 --> 00:15:46,655
And for the first time,
I felt afraid of him.

325
00:15:46,696 --> 00:15:50,659
♪

326
00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:53,411
POLLY: What I remember
about him describing

327
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that attack...

328
00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:00,919
he was kind of driving around
maybe thinking about it,

329
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,546
he saw a hitchhiker,

330
00:16:03,588 --> 00:16:06,841
he decided to take
the opportunity.

331
00:16:06,883 --> 00:16:10,637
It wasn't quite as deliberate
as some of the other ones.

332
00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:15,433
And it was very important to him
that he knock her out,

333
00:16:15,475 --> 00:16:17,268
because he didn't
want her to talk

334
00:16:17,310 --> 00:16:19,813
because it ruined
the sensation.

335
00:16:19,854 --> 00:16:21,272
If they started to talk,

336
00:16:21,314 --> 00:16:24,484
he would lose his resolve,

337
00:16:24,526 --> 00:16:27,904
and he wanted
to remain resolute.

338
00:16:30,073 --> 00:16:32,659
He described taking
her into the woods.

339
00:16:32,701 --> 00:16:36,329
He described...

340
00:16:36,371 --> 00:16:40,667
assuring her that he was
going to let her go,

341
00:16:40,709 --> 00:16:42,919
and he described saying
that he wasn't going to

342
00:16:42,961 --> 00:16:46,965
be able to let her go,
to himself,

343
00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:51,177
because he would be caught.

344
00:16:51,219 --> 00:16:53,471
And he would look at me
while he was describing it

345
00:16:53,513 --> 00:16:55,056
to kind of see
how I was taking it,

346
00:16:55,098 --> 00:17:00,603
to see if he dared
go on further without...

347
00:17:00,645 --> 00:17:03,857
me being unable to continue
to represent him, really,

348
00:17:03,898 --> 00:17:06,359
is what he was concerned about.

349
00:17:06,401 --> 00:17:10,572
And I...

350
00:17:10,613 --> 00:17:12,907
wanted to show him
I could take it,

351
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:17,328
and so I didn't
show my revulsion.

352
00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:21,374
I didn't show my sympathy
for the victim

353
00:17:21,416 --> 00:17:24,169
as he told that story.

354
00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:27,672
♪

355
00:17:27,714 --> 00:17:31,009
I had joined forces with...

356
00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:32,051
um...

357
00:17:37,140 --> 00:17:40,435
...a guilty
and remorseless killer.

358
00:17:40,477 --> 00:17:42,729
♪

359
00:17:42,771 --> 00:17:44,689
SAM: In an effort to
win a stay of execution,

360
00:17:44,731 --> 00:17:47,192
Bundy has begun
confessing to many murders

361
00:17:47,233 --> 00:17:48,860
he had previously
denied committing.

362
00:17:48,902 --> 00:17:51,237
REPORTER: Bundy confessed
to all eight Seattle killings

363
00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:54,532
and 15 more in Oregon,
Utah, and Colorado.

364
00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:58,411
He gave police information on
dozens of other unsolved cases.

365
00:17:58,453 --> 00:18:00,955
REPORTER: Bundy associates have
contacted the governor's office

366
00:18:00,997 --> 00:18:04,000
seeking to delay the execution
by three years or more

367
00:18:04,042 --> 00:18:06,628
so that he can tell his
story to western police

368
00:18:06,669 --> 00:18:09,047
and solve what may
be dozens of murders.

369
00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:10,757
The governor is saying no.

370
00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:12,884
INTERVIEWER: He never
confessed to Susan, did he?

371
00:18:12,926 --> 00:18:14,761
VIVIAN: He wouldn't
talk about Sue.

372
00:18:14,803 --> 00:18:17,263
He would talk about the others.

373
00:18:17,305 --> 00:18:21,643
I think at one point there
were a couple psychiatrists

374
00:18:21,684 --> 00:18:25,230
that asked him about
the different girls,

375
00:18:25,271 --> 00:18:28,650
and when they came to Sue...

376
00:18:28,691 --> 00:18:30,568
he said...

377
00:18:30,610 --> 00:18:33,780
"I don't want
to talk about her.

378
00:18:33,822 --> 00:18:35,406
"I can't talk about her."

379
00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:38,451
So...

380
00:18:38,493 --> 00:18:41,037
you know, in my mind,
I think she got to him

381
00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:43,039
a little bit.

382
00:18:43,081 --> 00:18:46,918
♪

383
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,713
♪

384
00:18:50,755 --> 00:18:52,423
ELIZABETH: I'd always
thought it was very odd

385
00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:55,677
that he didn't reach out to me
before he was executed.

386
00:18:55,718 --> 00:18:58,346
I just had a feeling he would,

387
00:18:58,388 --> 00:19:00,974
but he didn't.

388
00:19:01,015 --> 00:19:04,269
MOLLY: My mom had been
going through a time

389
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:08,857
of spiritual development
where she...

390
00:19:08,898 --> 00:19:13,736
took classes and prayed
and meditated,

391
00:19:13,778 --> 00:19:17,282
and I was going
to community college.

392
00:19:17,323 --> 00:19:19,117
I had moved back home
with my mom,

393
00:19:19,158 --> 00:19:21,452
and I was doing rather well
for the first time

394
00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:24,622
since this all transpired,

395
00:19:24,664 --> 00:19:26,791
and I came home
from school one day

396
00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:31,004
and there was a letter
from the jail,

397
00:19:31,045 --> 00:19:34,173
and it wasn't addressed to me,
but I opened it anyways.

398
00:19:34,215 --> 00:19:36,759
My mom wasn't at home.

399
00:19:36,801 --> 00:19:39,012
And it said,

400
00:19:39,053 --> 00:19:42,265
"I have found God.

401
00:19:42,307 --> 00:19:45,310
"I've been working
on my spirituality."

402
00:19:45,351 --> 00:19:48,771
It was like this person
over thousands of miles

403
00:19:48,813 --> 00:19:50,607
had been able to intuit

404
00:19:50,648 --> 00:19:54,027
what she would've
wanted to hear.

405
00:19:54,068 --> 00:19:57,947
And there was no way
I was gonna let him

406
00:19:57,989 --> 00:20:01,284
have that hook
into her again.

407
00:20:01,326 --> 00:20:03,953
There was no way.

408
00:20:03,995 --> 00:20:07,916
So I put it in the fireplace
and I set it on fire,

409
00:20:07,957 --> 00:20:12,503
and I never mentioned
that it arrived.

410
00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:16,883
She's got a piece of her
that responds to him,

411
00:20:16,925 --> 00:20:20,511
and I didn't want to see
that piece be exploited again.

412
00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:25,224
I watched that throughout
this entire journey.

413
00:20:25,266 --> 00:20:27,518
REPORTER: Florida state
officials say Bundy's

414
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,855
last minute appeals are
simply acts of desperation.

415
00:20:30,897 --> 00:20:33,399
They call Bundy
a master manipulator,

416
00:20:33,441 --> 00:20:36,069
and they vow that
despite all his talking,

417
00:20:36,110 --> 00:20:40,323
the state will strike no deal
to delay Bundy's execution.

418
00:20:40,365 --> 00:20:42,200
REPORTER: You don't think
he'll be executed on Tuesday?

419
00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,786
JAMES: Ah, not if we get a stay.

420
00:20:44,827 --> 00:20:46,913
ELIZABETH: I've never been
a believer in the death penalty.

421
00:20:46,955 --> 00:20:50,667
So it was like I never wanted
him to be executed, but...

422
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:54,212
...not because of who he was,

423
00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:57,715
but just because I don't
believe in the death penalty.

424
00:20:57,757 --> 00:21:01,970
♪

425
00:21:02,011 --> 00:21:03,388
ELIZABETH: I guess I went numb.

426
00:21:03,429 --> 00:21:06,391
I just couldn't
really think about it.

427
00:21:06,432 --> 00:21:08,518
My daughter and I
spent the day together.

428
00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:12,438
We went to visit
a friend up in La Conner,

429
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,983
and we just tried not to...

430
00:21:15,024 --> 00:21:18,152
to tune in
to what was going on.

431
00:21:18,194 --> 00:21:21,114
I found the crowds outside
the prison, I mean,

432
00:21:21,155 --> 00:21:24,742
it just was really
bizarre to me

433
00:21:24,784 --> 00:21:26,744
that they'd be
out there cheering.

434
00:21:26,786 --> 00:21:29,414
PROTESTERS:
[inaudible singing]

435
00:21:29,455 --> 00:21:31,958
♪ Now justice is done. ♪

436
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,253
♪ He's fried
like a fritter, ♪

437
00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:38,715
♪ a coffin for bun. ♪

438
00:21:38,756 --> 00:21:41,259
♪

439
00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,928
JAMES: The execution
was scheduled for 7 am,

440
00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:47,306
but we had to be at
the prison at 5 am.

441
00:21:47,348 --> 00:21:50,601
And then there's sort of a whole
ritual that happens, you know?

442
00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:53,312
There's a...
they have a, you know,

443
00:21:53,354 --> 00:21:56,691
a buffet breakfast
for the witnesses.

444
00:21:56,733 --> 00:21:59,777
You know, some of
the detectives

445
00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:03,531
and, you know, lawyers
were there.

446
00:22:03,573 --> 00:22:06,159
You know, it was like
a big celebration for them.

447
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,578
You know, they were--
they were finally winning.

448
00:22:08,619 --> 00:22:10,079
REPORTER: At 7 o'clock
this morning,

449
00:22:10,121 --> 00:22:12,081
guards led Bundy
to the death chamber.

450
00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:13,916
At first, he seemed startled.

451
00:22:13,958 --> 00:22:15,376
WITNESS: He looked taken aback

452
00:22:15,418 --> 00:22:17,795
by the electric chair
when he entered the room,

453
00:22:17,837 --> 00:22:19,589
but he immediately
regained his composure.

454
00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:22,133
He sat down and started
looking around the room,

455
00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:23,843
making eye contact with people.

456
00:22:23,885 --> 00:22:27,346
JAMES: He acknowledged me,
and I acknowledged him,

457
00:22:27,388 --> 00:22:29,599
and I think that settled
him down a little bit

458
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,436
when he saw me.

459
00:22:33,478 --> 00:22:37,648
And then, you know,
he made his final words,

460
00:22:37,690 --> 00:22:40,860
and they pulled the veil down,

461
00:22:40,902 --> 00:22:42,153
and I looked away.

462
00:22:42,195 --> 00:22:44,238
I mean, I didn't
look to see--

463
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,032
I mean, you could hear
what was going on.

464
00:22:46,074 --> 00:22:48,034
You could hear the,
you know, the...

465
00:22:48,076 --> 00:22:50,703
the electricity, the jolts.

466
00:22:50,745 --> 00:22:53,998
Yeah, I mean, I didn't think
it was a good day for

467
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,668
American justice, even though
people in Florida thought

468
00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:59,921
that, you know,
"This is sort of the pinnacle."

469
00:22:59,962 --> 00:23:02,340
They had, you know,
taken out the guy

470
00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:06,469
who they most wanted to execute.

471
00:23:06,511 --> 00:23:11,057
I thought they did it in a way
that diminished all of them

472
00:23:11,099 --> 00:23:14,352
and me and everybody else
who participated in it.

473
00:23:14,393 --> 00:23:17,647
♪

474
00:23:17,688 --> 00:23:21,484
BRYANT: The signal has now
come shortly after 7 o'clock

475
00:23:21,526 --> 00:23:23,361
this morning, Eastern time.

476
00:23:23,402 --> 00:23:26,823
The signal came from the witness
window at the facility there

477
00:23:26,864 --> 00:23:30,201
that Ted Bundy had died
in the electric chair.

478
00:23:30,243 --> 00:23:31,911
REPORTER: When asked
for any final words,

479
00:23:31,953 --> 00:23:33,913
Bundy made only
a brief statement.

480
00:23:33,955 --> 00:23:35,123
WITNESS: His last words
was just,

481
00:23:35,164 --> 00:23:39,961
"Give my love to my family
and to my friends."

482
00:23:40,002 --> 00:23:42,421
ELIZABETH: One of his
attorneys called us

483
00:23:42,463 --> 00:23:45,007
after he'd been
executed and said

484
00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:47,343
that Ted had asked her
to call us and make sure

485
00:23:47,385 --> 00:23:50,513
that we knew that he loved us,

486
00:23:50,555 --> 00:23:53,224
and she also said
he wondered why

487
00:23:53,266 --> 00:23:57,270
I never responded
to his last letter.

488
00:23:57,311 --> 00:23:59,397
And, I...

489
00:23:59,438 --> 00:24:03,234
I mean, I didn't know what last
letter she was talking about.

490
00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:05,653
So that's when Molly told me
there had been a letter

491
00:24:05,695 --> 00:24:08,072
that had come.

492
00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:09,824
INTERVIEWER: You were
protecting her, weren't you?

493
00:24:09,866 --> 00:24:11,409
MOLLY: Mm-hm.

494
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:14,120
I guess I could've lied and
said it was lost in the mail,

495
00:24:14,162 --> 00:24:16,164
but I didn't.
I told her I burned it.

496
00:24:16,205 --> 00:24:19,208
And she accepted it
very quietly,

497
00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:23,129
but I could tell it hurt
her heart that I had...

498
00:24:23,171 --> 00:24:26,924
robbed her of this closure,

499
00:24:26,966 --> 00:24:29,927
this last interaction.

500
00:24:29,969 --> 00:24:32,054
♪

501
00:24:32,096 --> 00:24:34,056
But I wasn't sorry.

502
00:24:34,098 --> 00:24:36,100
I'm not sorry at all.

503
00:24:36,142 --> 00:24:39,353
And I'm especially not sorry
that he went to his death

504
00:24:39,395 --> 00:24:42,148
wondering why
she never wrote back.

505
00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:43,274
Good.

506
00:24:43,316 --> 00:24:45,401
Maybe she's done
with you, you know?

507
00:24:45,443 --> 00:24:48,112
Maybe she's got no interest.

508
00:24:48,154 --> 00:24:51,574
And I'm not sorry for him to...

509
00:24:51,616 --> 00:24:54,785
believe such things
at the time of his death.

510
00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:57,538
INTERVIEWER: What were you
worried that might have happened

511
00:24:57,580 --> 00:24:59,707
if she'd read the letter?

512
00:24:59,749 --> 00:25:01,918
MOLLY: That she
would be distraught,

513
00:25:01,959 --> 00:25:03,920
that she would be
connected to him,

514
00:25:03,961 --> 00:25:06,172
that they would then correspond.

515
00:25:06,214 --> 00:25:09,091
That she would
grieve his passing

516
00:25:09,133 --> 00:25:13,054
in a very active way.

517
00:25:13,095 --> 00:25:14,555
[sighs]

518
00:25:14,597 --> 00:25:18,726
That he would somehow
get his hooks into her.

519
00:25:18,768 --> 00:25:23,731
ELIZABETH: Yeah, she'd seen
that many times before, so...

520
00:25:23,773 --> 00:25:27,235
it wasn't a stretch
of her imagination.

521
00:25:27,276 --> 00:25:30,947
[people cheering]

522
00:25:30,988 --> 00:25:33,532
CHERYL: When I heard
the news that his execution

523
00:25:33,574 --> 00:25:37,203
had gone through...

524
00:25:37,245 --> 00:25:38,496
it was a big let-down.

525
00:25:38,537 --> 00:25:42,250
I didn't feel celebratory.

526
00:25:42,291 --> 00:25:44,669
I didn't feel happy.

527
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:48,547
I didn't feel sad.

528
00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:53,511
I felt compassion for all of
the victims and their families.

529
00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:57,473
He was a thief.

530
00:25:57,515 --> 00:26:01,686
[people cheering]

531
00:26:01,727 --> 00:26:03,521
PHYLLIS: We got him.
It's over.

532
00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:07,358
I mean, it's great.

533
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,818
We heard it on the news;

534
00:26:08,859 --> 00:26:12,071
we heard everything about it,
and I remember saying to my dad,

535
00:26:12,113 --> 00:26:14,448
"It's gonna be
a good night tonight."

536
00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:15,866
I did, I felt that.

537
00:26:15,908 --> 00:26:19,078
I said a great prayer to Georg,
"It's over, baby."

538
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:20,204
You bet.

539
00:26:20,246 --> 00:26:21,455
It was a good night.

540
00:26:21,497 --> 00:26:24,500
I felt real good about it.

541
00:26:24,542 --> 00:26:25,960
Yeah.

542
00:26:26,002 --> 00:26:30,381
♪

543
00:26:30,423 --> 00:26:33,843
♪

544
00:26:33,884 --> 00:26:38,222
VIVIAN: He had to be stopped,
and that was the only way.

545
00:26:38,264 --> 00:26:40,308
But it was hard for us.

546
00:26:40,349 --> 00:26:42,226
JUDY: Yeah, there's always
a flip side, isn't there?

547
00:26:42,268 --> 00:26:45,062
There's another mother,
another family,

548
00:26:45,104 --> 00:26:47,982
and...

549
00:26:48,024 --> 00:26:52,320
the death penalty
is controversial...

550
00:26:52,361 --> 00:26:56,073
in our hearts.

551
00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:58,284
It's not as clear-cut
as people think,

552
00:26:58,326 --> 00:27:02,121
and when you saw the circus
outside the courthouse,

553
00:27:02,163 --> 00:27:03,581
that wasn't us.

554
00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:07,293
We never...
That's nothing to celebrate.

555
00:27:07,335 --> 00:27:08,336
VIVIAN: No.

556
00:27:08,377 --> 00:27:10,129
JUDY: This is
another loss of life.

557
00:27:10,171 --> 00:27:12,882
VIVIAN: Another mother
losing a child,

558
00:27:12,923 --> 00:27:14,967
another family with a tragedy.

559
00:27:15,009 --> 00:27:18,929
JUDY: Another family trying
to reckon with a horrific event.

560
00:27:18,971 --> 00:27:21,766
♪

561
00:27:21,807 --> 00:27:24,435
REPORTER: Vivian Rancourt
joined the program.

562
00:27:24,477 --> 00:27:26,645
Her daughter, Susan,
was killed by Bundy

563
00:27:26,687 --> 00:27:28,439
back in 1974,

564
00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:31,192
and Mrs. Rancourt was
asked if she had any words

565
00:27:31,233 --> 00:27:34,278
for Mrs. Bundy.

566
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,155
VIVIAN: [archive]
First of all...

567
00:27:36,197 --> 00:27:38,574
We send hugs to her too.

568
00:27:38,616 --> 00:27:40,242
VIVIAN: I talked to her
on the phone

569
00:27:40,284 --> 00:27:41,994
the day after the execution.

570
00:27:42,036 --> 00:27:45,039
MRS. BUNDY: [archive]
Well, I've said it before,

571
00:27:45,081 --> 00:27:49,418
and I'm glad to be able to say
it directly to one of the moms:

572
00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:52,338
we don't know
why this happened,

573
00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:56,842
and we feel so
desperately sorry for you.

574
00:27:56,884 --> 00:28:01,389
We didn't want our son
to do these things.

575
00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:04,100
We have two beautiful
daughters of our own,

576
00:28:04,141 --> 00:28:06,852
and we know how we would feel.

577
00:28:06,894 --> 00:28:09,313
I am sorry.

578
00:28:09,355 --> 00:28:11,315
VIVIAN: I know you are.

579
00:28:11,357 --> 00:28:13,734
And we don't hold any resentment

580
00:28:13,776 --> 00:28:17,321
or hatred towards
you or your family.

581
00:28:17,363 --> 00:28:19,740
VIVIAN: It was just...

582
00:28:19,782 --> 00:28:22,660
two mothers...

583
00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:24,829
that had lost a child,

584
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:27,331
but she didn't
have to apologize.

585
00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:29,458
She didn't do this.

586
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:31,710
Her son was sick.

587
00:28:31,752 --> 00:28:34,213
JUDY: You should know
that the men in our family

588
00:28:34,255 --> 00:28:35,631
did not feel like we did.

589
00:28:35,673 --> 00:28:37,550
I want to be honest about that.

590
00:28:37,591 --> 00:28:39,760
My Dad, he wanted to
slash his balls off.

591
00:28:39,802 --> 00:28:42,805
I mean, my dad was very clear
about what he would do

592
00:28:42,847 --> 00:28:47,351
to Ted Bundy if he was left
alone with him for a moment.

593
00:28:47,393 --> 00:28:51,230
My husband too, would have
just kicked him from here

594
00:28:51,272 --> 00:28:53,023
to hell and back.

595
00:28:53,065 --> 00:28:57,361
No, the men didn't exactly
feel the way we did.

596
00:28:57,403 --> 00:29:01,115
♪

597
00:29:01,157 --> 00:29:04,952
MOLLY: I wrote a letter
to Vivian Winter and said

598
00:29:04,994 --> 00:29:08,164
how I agonized over
her daughter's death

599
00:29:08,205 --> 00:29:10,082
and all these deaths
for my whole life,

600
00:29:10,124 --> 00:29:12,293
and how sorry I was
that this had happened.

601
00:29:12,334 --> 00:29:14,712
And she wrote me
this beautiful letter,

602
00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:18,632
and she said that she felt...

603
00:29:20,593 --> 00:29:24,096
that yes, it was an experience

604
00:29:24,138 --> 00:29:26,974
that's hard to describe
how devastating

605
00:29:27,016 --> 00:29:30,144
it actually is to have
your child murdered,

606
00:29:30,186 --> 00:29:32,813
but at the same time
as the years passed,

607
00:29:32,855 --> 00:29:36,150
she did not want him
to take her whole life

608
00:29:36,192 --> 00:29:38,569
away from her...

609
00:29:38,611 --> 00:29:41,906
by allowing her
to remain in sadness.

610
00:29:41,947 --> 00:29:44,825
She wanted to go forward
and be happy,

611
00:29:44,867 --> 00:29:47,912
and she was feeling happiness,

612
00:29:47,953 --> 00:29:50,206
and she was making
a life for herself

613
00:29:50,247 --> 00:29:53,709
that was not controlled
by Ted Bundy.

614
00:29:53,751 --> 00:29:57,087
And I so much admired
and respected that,

615
00:29:57,129 --> 00:29:59,089
and I took it on.

616
00:29:59,131 --> 00:30:01,550
This is what I want.

617
00:30:01,592 --> 00:30:05,304
We're not going to...

618
00:30:05,346 --> 00:30:07,890
let him...

619
00:30:07,932 --> 00:30:11,644
continue to perpetuate misery.

620
00:30:11,685 --> 00:30:15,481
We're gonna live our lives.

621
00:30:18,692 --> 00:30:21,612
RICH: Come on into
my abode, my home.

622
00:30:21,654 --> 00:30:25,449
♪

623
00:30:25,491 --> 00:30:28,619
♪

624
00:30:28,661 --> 00:30:32,456
RICH: Some things
make me really depressed,

625
00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:35,209
in a...

626
00:30:35,251 --> 00:30:38,587
almost debilitating way,
where I...

627
00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:40,923
I will sit in this
chair for days.

628
00:30:40,965 --> 00:30:42,841
I'll sometimes stay in
this camper for two,

629
00:30:42,883 --> 00:30:45,803
three days at a time.

630
00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:47,721
I don't know.

631
00:30:47,763 --> 00:30:51,600
I'm not really afraid of
not having a normal life.

632
00:30:51,642 --> 00:30:56,188
I've gotten used to life
being kind of a bit of a...

633
00:30:56,230 --> 00:31:00,276
you have to kind of jimmy rig
your way through life sometimes.

634
00:31:00,317 --> 00:31:03,028
♪

635
00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:04,530
RICH: I don't recommend it
to everyone

636
00:31:04,572 --> 00:31:07,241
to live your life precariously,

637
00:31:07,283 --> 00:31:09,868
but if I know I have enough
to keep shelter and food

638
00:31:09,910 --> 00:31:11,579
for my cat and I,

639
00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:15,457
that's the most important thing.

640
00:31:15,499 --> 00:31:18,002
♪

641
00:31:18,043 --> 00:31:21,297
♪

642
00:31:21,338 --> 00:31:24,300
♪

643
00:31:24,341 --> 00:31:27,636
♪

644
00:31:27,678 --> 00:31:29,888
♪

645
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:32,266
ELIZABETH: When
Ted was executed,

646
00:31:32,308 --> 00:31:35,185
I had been sober for years.

647
00:31:35,227 --> 00:31:39,648
It was probably the thing
that saved my life.

648
00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:43,485
♪

649
00:31:43,527 --> 00:31:45,112
ELIZABETH: I also
started hiking a lot,

650
00:31:45,154 --> 00:31:49,867
spent a lot of time
out in the woods.

651
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:54,705
I had a really nice
group of sober friends,

652
00:31:54,747 --> 00:31:58,334
so I was putting
my life back together.

653
00:31:58,375 --> 00:32:02,171
♪

654
00:32:02,212 --> 00:32:04,131
ELIZABETH: My daughter and I
both have talked about this--

655
00:32:04,173 --> 00:32:07,718
the fact that
we lived is a huge...

656
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,345
I mean, so many
people didn't live,

657
00:32:09,386 --> 00:32:12,348
and so when we're struggling to

658
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:16,894
get our life back on track,
it's kind of hard to like say,

659
00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:18,354
"I've got these
problems with life,"

660
00:32:18,395 --> 00:32:20,105
when we're alive,
you know?

661
00:32:20,147 --> 00:32:21,940
It feels like
we should be able to--

662
00:32:21,982 --> 00:32:26,153
that that should be enough,
that he did not kill us.

663
00:32:26,195 --> 00:32:31,116
I have watched the parents
of women talk about their loss,

664
00:32:31,158 --> 00:32:33,994
and it just breaks my heart.

665
00:32:34,036 --> 00:32:35,829
Because I'm mother
of a daughter,

666
00:32:35,871 --> 00:32:38,999
I can understand
what a big loss that is.

667
00:32:39,041 --> 00:32:41,126
♪

668
00:32:41,168 --> 00:32:43,379
ELIZABETH: I mean,
as much as I can,

669
00:32:43,420 --> 00:32:47,257
I've forgiven myself...

670
00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:51,387
and for me, I'm hoping
that this is the end of...

671
00:32:51,428 --> 00:32:54,932
my participation
in anything related to Ted.

672
00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:56,934
♪

673
00:32:56,975 --> 00:33:00,521
♪

674
00:33:00,562 --> 00:33:04,858
POLLY: Recently I had
lunch with my niece

675
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:09,405
who's 12,
and she had just, um...

676
00:33:09,446 --> 00:33:11,949
come to understand that I had
represented Ted Bundy,

677
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:13,617
and she came to
know him somehow,

678
00:33:13,659 --> 00:33:15,953
and so she was asking me
questions about him,

679
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:18,122
and I was starting
my usual talk about,

680
00:33:18,163 --> 00:33:21,542
"Well, the law requires
this and that," and...

681
00:33:21,583 --> 00:33:24,503
I really couldn't
go on with it,

682
00:33:24,545 --> 00:33:29,466
because all I thought about was
as a young 12-year-old girl,

683
00:33:29,508 --> 00:33:33,637
she shouldn't have to think
that there is some balancing

684
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:37,808
between someone
who would prey upon her

685
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:39,768
and something else,

686
00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:43,230
that that was something that
I would have balanced for her,

687
00:33:43,272 --> 00:33:45,983
on her behalf.

688
00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:49,653
♪

689
00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:52,614
♪

690
00:33:52,656 --> 00:33:56,160
KATHLEEN: There were times
when the rules and regulations

691
00:33:56,201 --> 00:33:59,371
of an organization
seemed to preclude

692
00:33:59,413 --> 00:34:01,832
my taking that opportunity,

693
00:34:01,874 --> 00:34:04,001
but I didn't let any
of that stand in my way.

694
00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:08,046
I just felt that
you just go forward,

695
00:34:08,088 --> 00:34:11,175
see what happens.

696
00:34:11,216 --> 00:34:15,012
♪

697
00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:19,016
♪

698
00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:21,977
♪

699
00:34:22,019 --> 00:34:25,147
PY: One of the things
that troubles victims a lot

700
00:34:25,189 --> 00:34:28,442
is the question of,
"Why me?"

701
00:34:28,484 --> 00:34:30,277
Why me?

702
00:34:30,319 --> 00:34:33,447
And because of
all my experience,

703
00:34:33,489 --> 00:34:37,451
I knew there isn't an
answer to that question.

704
00:34:37,493 --> 00:34:41,538
♪

705
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:45,793
♪

706
00:34:45,834 --> 00:34:50,631
♪

707
00:34:50,672 --> 00:34:54,426
JOANNE: You move on,
but it all is still

708
00:34:54,468 --> 00:34:57,888
part of the big
weaving of your life.

709
00:34:57,930 --> 00:35:02,017
It becomes part of the fabric,
the tapestry of your life,

710
00:35:02,059 --> 00:35:04,978
and it's--
so it's never gone.

711
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:06,980
You learn how to put it

712
00:35:07,022 --> 00:35:10,901
into some kind of
manageable perspective.

713
00:35:10,943 --> 00:35:14,863
♪

714
00:35:14,905 --> 00:35:18,492
♪

715
00:35:18,534 --> 00:35:22,246
♪

716
00:35:22,287 --> 00:35:25,499
♪

717
00:35:25,541 --> 00:35:29,920
♪

718
00:35:29,962 --> 00:35:33,090
♪

719
00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:38,095
♪

720
00:35:38,136 --> 00:35:41,890
♪

721
00:35:41,932 --> 00:35:45,686
♪

722
00:35:45,727 --> 00:35:49,606
♪

723
00:35:49,648 --> 00:35:52,651
♪

724
00:35:52,693 --> 00:35:56,363
♪

725
00:35:56,405 --> 00:35:59,867
♪

726
00:35:59,908 --> 00:36:01,326
KAREN: Even though
I was victimized,

727
00:36:01,368 --> 00:36:04,454
I wasn't a victim,
and I mean, my husband knows,

728
00:36:04,496 --> 00:36:07,457
but I've never
directly talked to

729
00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:09,960
my own children about it,

730
00:36:10,002 --> 00:36:13,297
because, you know, I'm Mom,
so I just don't want to be...

731
00:36:13,338 --> 00:36:15,215
You know, we want
to be Mom and Dad.

732
00:36:15,257 --> 00:36:17,593
I mean, I just wanted
to do normal things,

733
00:36:17,634 --> 00:36:19,052
be a normal person.

734
00:36:19,094 --> 00:36:23,891
I didn't want to be
marked as a victim.

735
00:36:23,932 --> 00:36:25,976
Ever.

736
00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:29,605
♪

737
00:36:29,646 --> 00:36:33,817
♪

738
00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:38,822
♪

739
00:36:38,864 --> 00:36:42,367
♪

740
00:36:42,409 --> 00:36:45,996
♪

741
00:36:46,038 --> 00:36:50,125
♪

742
00:36:50,167 --> 00:36:54,338
♪

743
00:36:54,379 --> 00:36:58,050
♪