1 00:00:19,398 --> 00:00:22,457 Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. 2 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:24,493 Thank you very much. Thank you. 3 00:00:24,538 --> 00:00:28,529 I wanted to see if a politician would accept money from anyone. 4 00:00:28,573 --> 00:00:30,734 You know, and I mean anyone, all right? 5 00:00:30,775 --> 00:00:32,605 I don't mean, like, R.J. Reynolds... 6 00:00:32,643 --> 00:00:35,373 which gave a million dollars to the Republicans... 7 00:00:35,412 --> 00:00:36,708 and a half a million dollars... 8 00:00:36,746 --> 00:00:39,216 to the non-smoking Democrats this year. 9 00:00:39,251 --> 00:00:41,309 I'm talking about truly despicable groups. 10 00:00:41,352 --> 00:00:44,684 So I formed four of those despicable groups myself. 11 00:00:44,721 --> 00:00:47,382 Got a bank to give me a checking account for each... 12 00:00:47,422 --> 00:00:49,000 with the name of the group on the check... 13 00:00:49,024 --> 00:00:53,017 and then sent $100 contributions to each of the candidates. 14 00:00:53,061 --> 00:00:55,689 So Bob Dole received $100... 15 00:00:55,731 --> 00:00:58,358 from the Satan Worshipers for Dole Club. 16 00:01:00,568 --> 00:01:05,731 Clinton got $100 from the Hemp Growers of America. 17 00:01:08,041 --> 00:01:13,535 Pat Buchanan got $100 from Abortionists for Buchanan. 18 00:01:15,813 --> 00:01:19,441 And... 19 00:01:19,483 --> 00:01:25,116 Ross Perot got $100 from the Pedophiles for Free Trade. 20 00:01:28,892 --> 00:01:31,223 And who do you think cashed the check first? 21 00:01:32,595 --> 00:01:34,391 That's right, Pat Buchanan. 22 00:01:36,299 --> 00:01:38,631 And here's the check right here... 23 00:01:38,668 --> 00:01:41,636 the actual check, with his endorsement on the back. 24 00:01:44,005 --> 00:01:46,871 Abortionists for Buchanan. Mr. "Right to Life" himself. 25 00:01:46,907 --> 00:01:49,340 The Clinton-Gore campaign cashed their check... 26 00:01:49,375 --> 00:01:52,435 from the Hemp Growers of America. Right here. 27 00:01:52,478 --> 00:01:54,413 The thing looks like it had been rolled up... 28 00:01:54,448 --> 00:01:56,915 and stashed away for about who knows how long. 29 00:01:56,949 --> 00:01:58,314 But you know how it is... 30 00:01:58,351 --> 00:02:01,717 when you're receiving contributions from hemp growers. 31 00:02:01,753 --> 00:02:04,347 And Ross Perot sent us a lovely form letter... 32 00:02:04,389 --> 00:02:06,619 that obviously was spit out of some computer... 33 00:02:06,658 --> 00:02:09,218 because it said, "I'd like to thank you... 34 00:02:09,261 --> 00:02:12,320 "and your fellow pedophiles for your support." 35 00:02:12,363 --> 00:02:13,853 It's true. 36 00:02:19,703 --> 00:02:22,694 Oh, we live in sick times. Sick, sick times. 37 00:02:41,488 --> 00:02:43,183 You know, I always like to see people... 38 00:02:43,223 --> 00:02:45,247 happy and having a good time. 39 00:02:45,291 --> 00:02:48,089 Take these people, for instance. 40 00:02:48,127 --> 00:02:50,856 They've been having a real good time. 41 00:02:50,895 --> 00:02:53,228 Me? Well, I've been out of work. 42 00:02:53,265 --> 00:02:55,164 So I did what most people like me do... 43 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,134 when they can't get a job... I wrote a book! 44 00:02:58,168 --> 00:03:02,502 "Downsize This! Random Threats from an Unarmed American." 45 00:03:02,539 --> 00:03:04,302 I sold it to Random House. 46 00:03:04,341 --> 00:03:05,705 They asked me if I wouldn't mind... 47 00:03:05,742 --> 00:03:08,678 going on a little author tour, say four or five cities. 48 00:03:08,712 --> 00:03:10,838 I said, "Sure. Sounds good." 49 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,938 Especially considering I had no college education... 50 00:03:12,981 --> 00:03:15,211 and flunked 12th grade English. 51 00:03:15,251 --> 00:03:18,947 I kind of liked the idea of being part of a go-go economy. 52 00:03:18,987 --> 00:03:22,353 I could see it now... Pulitzers, Nobels... 53 00:03:22,390 --> 00:03:24,688 and appearances on "The Jerry Springer Show." 54 00:03:30,231 --> 00:03:33,529 There was one little problem with my master plan... 55 00:03:33,566 --> 00:03:35,726 that check I wrote the president. 56 00:03:35,768 --> 00:03:39,067 Seems the White House didn't like it. 57 00:03:39,104 --> 00:03:42,129 I told them I was just having some fun. 58 00:03:42,173 --> 00:03:44,142 He is a dangerous person. 59 00:03:44,176 --> 00:03:46,666 Boy, he sure seemed defensive. 60 00:03:46,711 --> 00:03:47,871 Of course, at that time... 61 00:03:47,912 --> 00:03:49,389 none of us knew that lots of other people... 62 00:03:49,413 --> 00:03:51,404 were writing checks to the president... 63 00:03:51,448 --> 00:03:53,848 and getting better perks than me. 64 00:03:53,884 --> 00:03:55,146 When it looked like... 65 00:03:55,185 --> 00:03:56,995 I wasn't going to have the normal author tour... 66 00:03:57,019 --> 00:03:58,885 I called up a few filmmaking friends of mine... 67 00:03:58,922 --> 00:04:04,859 Tia, Jim, Brian, and Chris... 68 00:04:04,893 --> 00:04:07,123 and told them to gather their gear... 69 00:04:07,162 --> 00:04:08,754 and meet me in St. Louis. 70 00:04:08,797 --> 00:04:11,765 Not you, but... 71 00:04:11,799 --> 00:04:15,394 Chris, never throw away your tickets. 72 00:04:15,436 --> 00:04:17,097 Why don't you do a special on us? 73 00:04:17,137 --> 00:04:20,105 - On how much you make? - And how much work we do. 74 00:04:20,139 --> 00:04:21,766 Did you ever get your union back? 75 00:04:21,808 --> 00:04:24,436 - Sort of. - Sort of? 76 00:04:24,477 --> 00:04:27,037 We'll tell you the next time, if we do get a raise, ever. 77 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:29,740 Yeah. When was the last time you had a raise? 78 00:04:29,781 --> 00:04:31,180 - '83? - I don't know. 79 00:04:31,216 --> 00:04:33,149 '83? 80 00:04:33,184 --> 00:04:35,516 I don't know if it was '78 or '82. 81 00:04:35,553 --> 00:04:37,384 The cameraman wasn't even born in '83. 82 00:04:37,421 --> 00:04:38,615 Oh, my... 83 00:04:46,896 --> 00:04:49,728 This is my seat. I'll see you, boys. 84 00:04:49,765 --> 00:04:52,393 - Economy was full? - Yeah. It's all full back there. 85 00:04:52,434 --> 00:04:53,901 I gotta sit up here. 86 00:04:53,936 --> 00:04:55,927 But I'll check in with you guys, OK? 87 00:04:55,971 --> 00:04:57,962 ♪ Roll along, roll along ♪ 88 00:04:58,006 --> 00:05:00,030 ♪ Roll along, roll along ♪ 89 00:05:00,074 --> 00:05:03,099 ♪ Convoy in the sky ♪ 90 00:05:03,143 --> 00:05:05,111 ♪ Roll along, roll along ♪ 91 00:05:05,145 --> 00:05:07,306 ♪ Roll along, roll along ♪ 92 00:05:07,347 --> 00:05:10,646 ♪ Convoy in the sky ♪ 93 00:05:11,651 --> 00:05:12,879 Each day of the tour... 94 00:05:12,919 --> 00:05:14,818 was supposed to be pretty much the same. 95 00:05:14,854 --> 00:05:16,787 Get up at 4:30 in the morning... 96 00:05:16,821 --> 00:05:18,254 fly to the next city... 97 00:05:18,289 --> 00:05:20,722 and be met by the local Random House publicist... 98 00:05:20,757 --> 00:05:23,283 who they referred to as my "media escort." 99 00:05:23,328 --> 00:05:26,161 The escort's job was to keep me out of trouble... 100 00:05:26,197 --> 00:05:28,892 and report all my activities back to headquarters. 101 00:05:28,932 --> 00:05:31,229 This escort from Random House... 102 00:05:31,267 --> 00:05:33,861 she doesn't know anything about this film. 103 00:05:33,903 --> 00:05:36,997 In fact, nobody at Random House knows about this film. 104 00:05:37,039 --> 00:05:40,440 They're gonna find out sometime today... 105 00:05:40,476 --> 00:05:43,308 and they're probably not going to be very happy. 106 00:05:43,345 --> 00:05:47,007 This is my media escort here in St. Louis. 107 00:05:47,047 --> 00:05:50,880 - Please introduce yourself. - I'm Elaine Bly. 108 00:05:50,917 --> 00:05:54,081 And it's about 6:15 in the morning here. 109 00:05:54,121 --> 00:05:55,713 But it's a beautiful day. 110 00:05:55,756 --> 00:05:57,882 We're gonna have a good day. Let's hope. 111 00:05:57,924 --> 00:05:59,892 Let's get going. 112 00:05:59,926 --> 00:06:02,450 No matter what city I was in... 113 00:06:02,494 --> 00:06:04,688 it was always the same 20 interviews... 114 00:06:04,729 --> 00:06:06,699 with the same 20 questions. 115 00:06:06,733 --> 00:06:08,910 Look at all this airtime you've been giving Whitewater... 116 00:06:08,934 --> 00:06:10,612 and how many millions has Congress spent... 117 00:06:10,636 --> 00:06:13,468 trying to find out why just seven people lost their jobs... 118 00:06:13,504 --> 00:06:14,801 in the White House Travel Office? 119 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,363 And not a dime has been spent investigating... 120 00:06:17,407 --> 00:06:20,807 what happened to millions of Americans and their jobs. 121 00:06:20,843 --> 00:06:22,971 Most of this welfare that we give corporations... 122 00:06:23,013 --> 00:06:26,607 comes in the form of things like a million dollars to McDonald's 123 00:06:26,649 --> 00:06:29,379 to help them promote Chicken McNuggets in Singapore. 124 00:06:29,418 --> 00:06:30,782 That's our tax dollars. 125 00:06:30,818 --> 00:06:33,581 Or the Pillsbury Company gets $11 million... 126 00:06:33,620 --> 00:06:35,384 that goes to the Pillsbury Doughboy... 127 00:06:35,423 --> 00:06:38,221 to be promoted in Third World countries. 128 00:06:38,259 --> 00:06:39,658 With my interviews over... 129 00:06:39,694 --> 00:06:41,957 I told the escort we'd be back in a few hours. 130 00:06:41,995 --> 00:06:43,622 We headed out of the city... 131 00:06:43,664 --> 00:06:47,996 to Centralia, Illinois, home of the PayDay candy bar. 132 00:06:48,033 --> 00:06:51,834 People have been making PayDays here for over 60 years. 133 00:06:51,871 --> 00:06:55,431 Back in 1992, Clinton visited Centralia... 134 00:06:55,473 --> 00:06:57,771 on his first campaign for president. 135 00:06:57,809 --> 00:07:03,575 My own state is full of places like Centralia... 136 00:07:03,613 --> 00:07:05,776 places where there are good people... 137 00:07:05,817 --> 00:07:07,784 who work hard and play by the rules... 138 00:07:07,818 --> 00:07:11,116 who've been forgotten in George Bush's America. 139 00:07:11,154 --> 00:07:12,621 I want to tell you something. 140 00:07:12,655 --> 00:07:14,986 It doesn't have to be this way. 141 00:07:15,023 --> 00:07:16,615 We can do better. 142 00:07:16,658 --> 00:07:18,649 It is scandalous to waste the potential... 143 00:07:18,694 --> 00:07:21,128 of the people of this community and our country. 144 00:07:23,165 --> 00:07:25,064 They used to say that in Centralia... 145 00:07:25,099 --> 00:07:26,726 every day is payday. 146 00:07:26,767 --> 00:07:28,666 On the day I arrived... 147 00:07:28,702 --> 00:07:30,567 they were told this would be their last. 148 00:07:30,604 --> 00:07:33,539 Who's been here more than ten years? 149 00:07:33,573 --> 00:07:36,133 You've worked here more... more than ten... 150 00:07:36,176 --> 00:07:39,201 Who's been here more than 20 years? 151 00:07:39,244 --> 00:07:42,610 She was here for 50 years. 152 00:07:42,647 --> 00:07:45,673 It will be. Already is. 153 00:07:45,717 --> 00:07:48,049 Know how we found out we were losin' our jobs? 154 00:07:48,086 --> 00:07:49,644 The head of Leaf North America... 155 00:07:49,687 --> 00:07:52,247 sends a videotape in to all the Leaf plants... 156 00:07:52,290 --> 00:07:54,382 telling 'em how they're gonna reorganize and stuff. 157 00:07:54,424 --> 00:07:57,483 "Oh, by the way, we're shuttin' the Centralia plant down." 158 00:07:57,526 --> 00:07:58,754 A videotape. 159 00:07:58,794 --> 00:07:59,988 - "And by the way." - Yeah. 160 00:08:00,029 --> 00:08:01,506 When was the last time you had a strike here? 161 00:08:01,530 --> 00:08:03,327 We've never been on strike. 162 00:08:03,366 --> 00:08:05,391 - Never been on strike? - No! 163 00:08:05,434 --> 00:08:07,334 - Never had a walkout? - No! 164 00:08:07,370 --> 00:08:08,713 We've never even had an arbitration. 165 00:08:08,737 --> 00:08:10,068 Do you have any idea... 166 00:08:10,105 --> 00:08:11,549 what kind of profit you were making here? 167 00:08:11,573 --> 00:08:13,836 27 million is what they said. 168 00:08:13,874 --> 00:08:16,274 Twenty million here, just inside this building? 169 00:08:16,310 --> 00:08:18,540 Profit, out of this plant. 170 00:08:18,579 --> 00:08:19,943 And now, now what? 171 00:08:19,980 --> 00:08:22,492 People will go off the deep end that lose their jobs in America. 172 00:08:22,516 --> 00:08:23,846 It happens all the time. 173 00:08:23,883 --> 00:08:27,181 Suicides will go up, divorce rates... 174 00:08:27,219 --> 00:08:31,383 people start beatin' their kids that normally wouldn't. 175 00:08:31,423 --> 00:08:32,822 I mean, damn! 176 00:08:32,858 --> 00:08:35,418 People just lose it when they don't have an income... 177 00:08:35,460 --> 00:08:37,518 or they have to go from making $10 an hour... 178 00:08:37,561 --> 00:08:40,223 down to $5.00 an hour. It's tough! 179 00:08:40,264 --> 00:08:42,060 Do you know what he's talking about? 180 00:08:42,098 --> 00:08:44,363 Yeah? Are you worried about this? 181 00:08:44,402 --> 00:08:47,564 - Yes! - I'm a single mother. 182 00:08:47,604 --> 00:08:51,131 I can't buy a house or anything on $5.00 an hour. 183 00:08:51,174 --> 00:08:52,517 Tell me something. I want to know... 184 00:08:52,541 --> 00:08:54,519 what's going to happen to the United States of America... 185 00:08:54,543 --> 00:08:55,907 when they downsize everything... 186 00:08:55,943 --> 00:08:59,572 and we get down to where everybody's makin' minimum wage. 187 00:08:59,614 --> 00:09:03,606 Who's gonna buy $30,000 cars? Who's gonna buy homes? 188 00:09:03,650 --> 00:09:06,517 Who's gonna buy this stuff? I want to know! 189 00:09:06,553 --> 00:09:08,919 And it's just gonna be like a snowball effect... 190 00:09:08,955 --> 00:09:11,479 because then the automakers are gonna be out of work... 191 00:09:11,524 --> 00:09:13,220 the construction people's gonna be... 192 00:09:13,260 --> 00:09:15,022 Who's got the money to buy it... 193 00:09:15,061 --> 00:09:18,962 if we're all downsized to $4.75 an hour? 194 00:09:18,997 --> 00:09:20,966 When's it gonna end? 195 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,297 The workers told me that the manager from PayDay... 196 00:09:23,334 --> 00:09:25,528 was still across the street in the factory... 197 00:09:25,569 --> 00:09:27,561 so I decided to pay him a visit. 198 00:09:27,605 --> 00:09:29,401 He said he'd talk to you... 199 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:30,984 without the camera if you'll talk to him. 200 00:09:31,008 --> 00:09:34,341 All right, I'll come in. You stay here. OK? 201 00:09:42,018 --> 00:09:44,508 What is the message to the American worker? 202 00:09:44,553 --> 00:09:46,918 That if they come here and work hard and do well... 203 00:09:46,954 --> 00:09:50,049 and because of their hard work the company does well... 204 00:09:50,092 --> 00:09:52,491 their reward is unemployment? 205 00:09:52,526 --> 00:09:54,857 If this place would've done better... 206 00:09:54,894 --> 00:09:56,863 and would've made more profit... 207 00:09:56,897 --> 00:09:58,761 it would have had a quicker payback. 208 00:09:58,798 --> 00:10:02,233 You're saying if they had made a bigger profit here... 209 00:10:02,267 --> 00:10:03,978 the move would've been even quicker to get out of here? 210 00:10:04,002 --> 00:10:05,299 You're right. 211 00:10:05,337 --> 00:10:07,601 If the workers here had done a worse job... 212 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:11,040 If the candy bar hadn't done as well... 213 00:10:11,076 --> 00:10:13,543 there might still be a candy bar plant here? 214 00:10:13,578 --> 00:10:16,637 - That's true. - That's insane. 215 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:18,307 Centralia, Illinois! 216 00:10:18,348 --> 00:10:19,542 That's right! 217 00:10:24,054 --> 00:10:27,489 PayDay back to Centralia where it belongs. 218 00:10:27,523 --> 00:10:30,889 PayDay in Centralia. I want my job back, insurance. 219 00:10:30,925 --> 00:10:32,483 I need it badly. 220 00:10:32,527 --> 00:10:34,188 Everybody else needs it badly. 221 00:10:34,229 --> 00:10:35,787 We all need our paydays. 222 00:10:35,830 --> 00:10:37,797 - We want our jobs back. - Yep. 223 00:10:37,831 --> 00:10:40,494 We need our jobs back. 224 00:10:42,169 --> 00:10:45,331 The whole town needs these jobs back. 225 00:11:23,839 --> 00:11:26,830 Hi. 226 00:11:35,016 --> 00:11:36,846 This is my book. I take the cover off... 227 00:11:36,883 --> 00:11:39,681 because I can't stand to look at the photo. 228 00:11:42,121 --> 00:11:44,111 Look at... look... Who's got the... 229 00:11:44,155 --> 00:11:46,589 Do you have a book down here? Let me see it. 230 00:11:46,624 --> 00:11:49,423 Look at this. This is what they did. 231 00:11:49,461 --> 00:11:51,087 Look at my fingernails. 232 00:11:51,129 --> 00:11:53,825 They digitally gave me a manicure. 233 00:11:55,232 --> 00:11:59,998 They cleaned my fingernails. Can you see... Look at that! 234 00:12:00,036 --> 00:12:02,970 And I called them up at Random House, and I said... 235 00:12:03,005 --> 00:12:05,974 "You know, I mean, while you were in there... 236 00:12:06,008 --> 00:12:07,839 "if you were gonna be doing digital things... 237 00:12:07,877 --> 00:12:10,071 "couldn't you take 10 pounds off the face?" 238 00:12:10,111 --> 00:12:14,638 "Oh, no, no, no. We'll clean your fingernails. 239 00:12:14,682 --> 00:12:17,582 "But then you gotta still look like this." 240 00:12:18,887 --> 00:12:21,719 Jeez. Nineteen cities. 241 00:12:21,755 --> 00:12:24,416 I can't bear to look at myself, thank you, anymore. 242 00:12:25,491 --> 00:12:27,515 Signature only. 243 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,754 Signature, city and date. 244 00:12:29,795 --> 00:12:31,659 "To Meredith," signature, city and date. 245 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:34,164 City and date. 246 00:12:35,767 --> 00:12:36,961 "To Pat and Teresa." 247 00:12:45,741 --> 00:12:48,576 - How's that? - That's great. Thank you. 248 00:12:50,513 --> 00:12:53,003 - Yes. Thank you. - Anything else? 249 00:12:53,048 --> 00:12:54,515 Sounds like the next title. 250 00:12:54,550 --> 00:12:57,177 - You'll be there a day ahead. - Great. Thanks very much. 251 00:12:57,218 --> 00:13:01,416 - OK. Bye. - Bye! We're off to Iowa. 252 00:13:04,092 --> 00:13:06,185 ♪ You heard me right ♪ 253 00:13:07,561 --> 00:13:09,222 ♪ Yeow! ♪ 254 00:13:13,633 --> 00:13:18,332 ♪ 100 cups of coffee, 500 cigarettes ♪ 255 00:13:18,371 --> 00:13:22,170 ♪ A thousand miles of highway and I ain't forgot her yet ♪ 256 00:13:22,207 --> 00:13:25,370 ♪ But I keep on movin' ♪ 257 00:13:25,410 --> 00:13:29,436 ♪ I keep a-movin' on down the line ♪ 258 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,345 ♪ Ain't nothin' in my mirror ♪ 259 00:13:31,382 --> 00:13:33,850 ♪ Just a cloud of dust and smoke ♪ 260 00:13:33,884 --> 00:13:35,749 ♪ What did you expect ♪ 261 00:13:35,786 --> 00:13:40,687 ♪ When some old trucker's heart gets broke ♪ 262 00:13:40,722 --> 00:13:42,087 ♪ Whoo ♪ 263 00:13:47,130 --> 00:13:49,654 How do you feel about our choices in the election? 264 00:13:49,698 --> 00:13:51,927 - I don't care which way it goes. - You what? 265 00:13:51,966 --> 00:13:54,560 - I don't care which way it goes. - Why is that? 266 00:13:54,602 --> 00:13:56,212 Because I just don't have no interest in it. 267 00:13:56,236 --> 00:13:59,763 I wish we had a better choice, but we gotta pick between... 268 00:13:59,806 --> 00:14:02,775 What would you call it? Between two evils. 269 00:14:02,809 --> 00:14:06,244 Yeah, or I call it "the evil of two lessers." 270 00:14:06,278 --> 00:14:08,803 How you guys doing with your jobs right now? 271 00:14:08,847 --> 00:14:12,112 I work harder than I ever had to work in my life. 272 00:14:12,151 --> 00:14:13,981 My kids are all grown up... 273 00:14:14,018 --> 00:14:17,647 and I gotta work harder today than I did 20 years ago. 274 00:14:17,689 --> 00:14:19,733 You gotta pay your rent, your electric, your water... 275 00:14:19,757 --> 00:14:22,554 your gas and food and clothes for your kids. 276 00:14:22,592 --> 00:14:25,025 And there's no money left. 277 00:14:25,061 --> 00:14:26,723 At the end of the month, that's it. 278 00:14:26,763 --> 00:14:28,941 - No. There's nothin' left. - And you're working two jobs? 279 00:14:28,965 --> 00:14:30,990 - Yeah. - And raising your kids? 280 00:14:31,033 --> 00:14:32,227 I have two little girls. 281 00:14:32,268 --> 00:14:34,463 How do you do that? How do you work two jobs? 282 00:14:34,503 --> 00:14:38,063 I work mornings at one and nights at the other. 283 00:14:38,106 --> 00:14:40,437 - Every day? - Just about. 284 00:14:40,474 --> 00:14:41,652 When do you get to see your kids? 285 00:14:41,676 --> 00:14:43,472 I don't, not that often. 286 00:14:43,510 --> 00:14:44,875 On the weekends, on a Sunday... 287 00:14:44,912 --> 00:14:47,779 in the afternoon, 'cause Fairway's not open. 288 00:14:47,815 --> 00:14:49,782 That would be like if you're divorced... 289 00:14:49,816 --> 00:14:51,340 you get to see them on the weekends. 290 00:14:51,384 --> 00:14:52,681 Yeah, and I'm not divorced. 291 00:14:52,719 --> 00:14:54,151 I'm married and have a husband... 292 00:14:54,186 --> 00:14:56,519 and I still don't get to see them... 293 00:14:56,556 --> 00:15:00,150 because of the way it is in America and around the world. 294 00:15:00,192 --> 00:15:01,557 It's just not fair. 295 00:15:01,593 --> 00:15:05,119 Any words of advice to your fellow American voters? 296 00:15:05,162 --> 00:15:07,392 - Don't vote. - Don't vote? 297 00:15:07,431 --> 00:15:10,366 If you have to pick between them two, don't vote. 298 00:15:10,401 --> 00:15:12,834 Hey, guys, do you get the feeling we're gonna have... 299 00:15:12,869 --> 00:15:14,769 the lowest turnout ever in an election? 300 00:15:14,804 --> 00:15:15,997 Yeah. 301 00:15:16,038 --> 00:15:17,483 It's depressing. Let's go to McDonald's. 302 00:15:17,507 --> 00:15:20,669 Is everybody stabilized for driving here? 303 00:15:20,709 --> 00:15:22,869 I think "stabilized" is the wrong word... 304 00:15:22,910 --> 00:15:25,607 to be used as you're eating this stuff. 305 00:15:25,647 --> 00:15:28,581 Are there any napkins in there? 306 00:15:28,616 --> 00:15:33,178 Hey, they put vegetables on my fish fillet. 307 00:15:33,220 --> 00:15:34,710 Fuckers. 308 00:15:36,123 --> 00:15:39,115 Do you ever wonder what happened to Steve Forbes? 309 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:40,648 He appeared from nowhere. 310 00:15:40,693 --> 00:15:43,161 Had you heard of him before? Honest. Come on. Honest. 311 00:15:43,195 --> 00:15:46,756 You heard of his dad, but have you heard of him? 312 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:49,858 No. Have you heard of him since? 313 00:15:49,901 --> 00:15:51,278 Did you ever notice when he was on TV... 314 00:15:51,302 --> 00:15:54,465 his eyes never blinked? Right? 315 00:15:54,506 --> 00:15:56,473 I mean, they never blinked. 316 00:15:56,507 --> 00:15:58,997 I saw him on Larry King. He didn't blink. 317 00:15:59,042 --> 00:16:01,568 The whole time, the whole hour, he never blinked. 318 00:16:01,612 --> 00:16:03,476 A couple nights later, he was on "Nightline." 319 00:16:03,513 --> 00:16:06,778 They had the camera on him for a full minute. 320 00:16:06,816 --> 00:16:08,875 Not once did the eyes blink. 321 00:16:08,918 --> 00:16:10,384 Race was about principles and issues. 322 00:16:10,419 --> 00:16:12,430 These principles are bigger than a single candidate... 323 00:16:12,454 --> 00:16:15,013 bigger than a single campaign. 324 00:16:15,056 --> 00:16:17,024 I'm thinking, "This is very strange," 325 00:16:17,058 --> 00:16:18,787 so I called up New York Hospital... 326 00:16:18,826 --> 00:16:21,021 and asked for a doctor... 327 00:16:21,062 --> 00:16:23,428 in the Eyes, Ears, Nose and Throat Division. 328 00:16:23,464 --> 00:16:26,557 And I said, "Doctor, I'm watching TV right now... 329 00:16:26,599 --> 00:16:27,963 "and there's a guy on there... 330 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,811 "and his eyes have not blinked for a full minute. 331 00:16:29,835 --> 00:16:30,996 "Is that possible?" 332 00:16:31,037 --> 00:16:32,503 He said, "No. 333 00:16:32,538 --> 00:16:36,338 "The human eye needs to blink every 15 or 20 seconds." 334 00:16:36,375 --> 00:16:39,241 I said, "I'm telling you, now we're into two minutes. 335 00:16:39,277 --> 00:16:42,508 "This guy's eyes... They've not blinked, not once." 336 00:16:42,546 --> 00:16:43,723 And the doctor said, and I quote... 337 00:16:43,747 --> 00:16:45,511 "Well, that's not human." 338 00:16:47,617 --> 00:16:50,313 I'm getting a theory going here in my head, you know? 339 00:16:50,353 --> 00:16:53,049 Not human. Right? 340 00:16:53,090 --> 00:16:54,920 I'm thinking, "Don't look in his eyes. 341 00:16:54,957 --> 00:16:58,619 "Don't look in his eyes. Look away. Don't." 342 00:16:58,660 --> 00:17:00,992 You don't look at his eyes, but he gets us with the sound. 343 00:17:01,029 --> 00:17:04,090 "Flat tax, flat tax, flat tax, flat tax..." 344 00:17:04,133 --> 00:17:06,657 Aah! Turn that sound down! 345 00:17:06,701 --> 00:17:09,066 "Flat tax, flat tax, flat tax." 346 00:17:09,103 --> 00:17:10,764 MOORE, CONTINUING: So back in February... 347 00:17:10,804 --> 00:17:13,169 I was here in Des Moines, for the Iowa caucuses... 348 00:17:13,206 --> 00:17:15,436 and I decided to go over to the Forbes headquarters... 349 00:17:15,475 --> 00:17:16,942 to see if Steve was some kind of... 350 00:17:16,976 --> 00:17:20,207 freak X-File brother from another planet. 351 00:17:20,246 --> 00:17:21,406 And this guy comes out... 352 00:17:21,447 --> 00:17:24,472 and he says, "Hi, my name is Chip Carter." 353 00:17:24,516 --> 00:17:27,643 "Chip Carter? That's Jimmy Carter's son." 354 00:17:27,685 --> 00:17:31,212 "No, I'm the other Chip Carter." 355 00:17:31,255 --> 00:17:34,418 He had this weird look in his eyes too. 356 00:17:34,458 --> 00:17:36,483 How long has Mr. Forbes been here? 357 00:17:36,527 --> 00:17:39,359 Really only been on the ground 6 to 8 weeks. 358 00:17:39,395 --> 00:17:41,658 Invasion of Iowa. 359 00:17:41,697 --> 00:17:43,927 Invasion of the Body Snatchers in Iowa. 360 00:17:43,966 --> 00:17:45,695 Steve Forbes was born where? 361 00:17:45,734 --> 00:17:48,999 I have no idea. I can't remember. 362 00:17:49,037 --> 00:17:50,368 You don't know? 363 00:17:57,410 --> 00:17:59,536 Where did Steve Forbes come from? 364 00:17:59,578 --> 00:18:01,639 Steve Forbes seems to have come from nowhere. 365 00:18:01,682 --> 00:18:04,047 - Right? - Pretty much. 366 00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:05,984 Where is nowhere? 367 00:18:06,019 --> 00:18:08,885 It's somewhere out there. 368 00:18:10,788 --> 00:18:12,449 I'm freakin' out, man. I'm thinkin'... 369 00:18:12,490 --> 00:18:14,789 "OK, I'm in the Ramada in Des Moines tonight... 370 00:18:14,827 --> 00:18:17,022 "and I'm triple dead bolting the door." 371 00:18:17,062 --> 00:18:19,825 "I am not gonna die in Des Moines... 372 00:18:19,864 --> 00:18:22,457 "you know, taken away by these space beings... 373 00:18:22,499 --> 00:18:24,660 "calling themselves the Forbes campaign." 374 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:28,033 Where are you taking the spaceship here after Iowa? 375 00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:30,801 I'm gonna go home to Oklahoma for a few days and rest... 376 00:18:30,841 --> 00:18:32,417 and then they'll send me to another state. 377 00:18:32,441 --> 00:18:35,638 OK. Um, all right. 378 00:18:35,677 --> 00:18:39,305 Uh, I think we should probably let him go. 379 00:18:39,346 --> 00:18:41,337 So anyways, the guy has disappeared, right? 380 00:18:41,382 --> 00:18:44,784 And the only time that now you have any idea... 381 00:18:44,819 --> 00:18:47,252 that they're still with us is if you ever notice... 382 00:18:47,288 --> 00:18:49,119 certain people reading the publication... 383 00:18:49,156 --> 00:18:50,986 with the name Forbes... 384 00:18:51,024 --> 00:18:53,857 the name of their leader... on the magazine. 385 00:18:53,892 --> 00:18:56,759 Usually men in three-piece suits... 386 00:18:56,795 --> 00:18:59,959 white guys that look like they got a lot of money. 387 00:18:59,999 --> 00:19:03,092 They're the aliens. 388 00:19:03,135 --> 00:19:07,070 Beware of these people who read "Forbes" magazine. 389 00:19:07,104 --> 00:19:11,096 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. 390 00:19:25,787 --> 00:19:27,982 As I was signing copies of my book... 391 00:19:28,022 --> 00:19:30,014 I was handed an anonymous note. 392 00:19:30,059 --> 00:19:32,856 It read, "Hey, Michael... 393 00:19:32,894 --> 00:19:36,056 "we're organizing here at Borders in Des Moines. 394 00:19:36,096 --> 00:19:39,189 "There's a secret meeting statewide tomorrow night. 395 00:19:39,232 --> 00:19:40,666 "We thought you should know that... 396 00:19:40,701 --> 00:19:43,669 "we, the ragtag employees at Borders are not allowed... 397 00:19:43,703 --> 00:19:45,398 "to do the book table for your reading. 398 00:19:45,438 --> 00:19:47,702 "Only management is here tonight... 399 00:19:47,740 --> 00:19:50,173 "selling your book to these people. 400 00:19:50,208 --> 00:19:52,368 "Borders headquarters in Ann Arbor... 401 00:19:52,409 --> 00:19:55,038 "says they're protecting us from you. 402 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,674 "Ah, well, you know the shtick. Take care." 403 00:19:58,716 --> 00:20:01,412 They were awfully happy that you were here. 404 00:20:01,452 --> 00:20:02,976 Great. 405 00:20:03,020 --> 00:20:06,045 This was not my first strange encounter... 406 00:20:06,089 --> 00:20:08,852 with the Borders book store chain on my tour. 407 00:20:08,890 --> 00:20:11,222 At their Philadelphia store I had refused... 408 00:20:11,260 --> 00:20:13,421 to cross a picket line blocking their entrance... 409 00:20:13,462 --> 00:20:15,293 and instead I had brought the protesters... 410 00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:17,298 inside with me to my reading. 411 00:20:17,332 --> 00:20:20,323 That resulted in Borders refusing to let me speak... 412 00:20:20,368 --> 00:20:22,665 at my scheduled appearance the following week... 413 00:20:22,702 --> 00:20:24,568 in their New York store. 414 00:20:27,674 --> 00:20:30,939 So, we got your note inside. 415 00:20:30,977 --> 00:20:32,739 You're the people that work at Borders? 416 00:20:32,778 --> 00:20:33,938 Mm-hmm. 417 00:20:33,979 --> 00:20:36,105 And you're trying to organize the store? 418 00:20:36,147 --> 00:20:37,409 Yeah. 419 00:20:37,448 --> 00:20:38,994 And you wanted to meet me out here in the dark? 420 00:20:39,018 --> 00:20:41,315 What's going on? 421 00:20:41,352 --> 00:20:42,944 Well, we're actually... 422 00:20:42,987 --> 00:20:45,888 Tomorrow night is an organizational meeting. 423 00:20:45,923 --> 00:20:48,322 The entire store is getting together... 424 00:20:48,358 --> 00:20:50,383 and we're meeting with an organizer... 425 00:20:50,427 --> 00:20:52,793 and we're gonna go from there. 426 00:20:52,829 --> 00:20:56,491 - Because why? - Because... There's a car. 427 00:20:56,532 --> 00:20:58,295 Who's that? 428 00:20:58,334 --> 00:21:01,235 It's no one. It's... 429 00:21:01,270 --> 00:21:03,134 They told me... 430 00:21:03,171 --> 00:21:04,649 they were afraid of being seen with me... 431 00:21:04,673 --> 00:21:06,698 because the Borders regional manager... 432 00:21:06,741 --> 00:21:08,436 had shown up to the event unannounced... 433 00:21:08,476 --> 00:21:10,375 with a man they didn't recognize. 434 00:21:10,411 --> 00:21:11,721 I don't even know who that person is. 435 00:21:11,745 --> 00:21:13,235 No. We don't even like... 436 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,578 I don't want to think about who that person was. 437 00:21:15,616 --> 00:21:18,709 We're afraid enough as it is. 438 00:21:18,751 --> 00:21:20,582 Some corporate thug. 439 00:21:20,620 --> 00:21:23,486 Yeah. Some union buster guy from Omaha. 440 00:21:23,522 --> 00:21:26,082 Borders workers such as yourselves were not allowed... 441 00:21:26,124 --> 00:21:27,601 to work the table here at the event tonight? 442 00:21:27,625 --> 00:21:28,854 Right. 443 00:21:28,894 --> 00:21:30,555 Only management could work the table? 444 00:21:30,595 --> 00:21:31,754 Yes. 445 00:21:31,796 --> 00:21:33,559 Field the questions. To protect us. 446 00:21:33,597 --> 00:21:35,565 Protect you from what? From me? 447 00:21:35,599 --> 00:21:39,193 I don't know. I even asked. Pointedly, I said... 448 00:21:39,235 --> 00:21:41,964 "You mean you don't want us to hear what he has to say?" 449 00:21:42,004 --> 00:21:43,666 Everybody in the store bought your book... 450 00:21:43,707 --> 00:21:45,867 after they put the crunch on. 451 00:21:45,908 --> 00:21:48,138 After they what? 452 00:21:48,177 --> 00:21:49,576 Well, we felt this pressure... 453 00:21:49,611 --> 00:21:50,789 After we all got kicked off the table... 454 00:21:50,813 --> 00:21:52,075 we said, "What's in this book?" 455 00:21:52,114 --> 00:21:54,047 Right. "Why can't we be here?" 456 00:21:54,082 --> 00:21:55,481 It was really interesting. 457 00:21:55,516 --> 00:21:57,950 They then told me that Borders was deducting... 458 00:21:57,985 --> 00:22:00,145 money from their paychecks for a health plan... 459 00:22:00,187 --> 00:22:01,984 that had no doctor in Des Moines. 460 00:22:02,022 --> 00:22:05,253 We don't actually have health benefits at the moment. 461 00:22:05,292 --> 00:22:06,691 We're paying for them. 462 00:22:06,727 --> 00:22:07,969 We started paying for them in April... 463 00:22:07,993 --> 00:22:09,221 but we don't have them. 464 00:22:09,261 --> 00:22:11,172 So that was what really galvanized a lot of people. 465 00:22:11,196 --> 00:22:12,458 They were sort of like... 466 00:22:12,497 --> 00:22:15,295 "I'm paying for all of this and it's not..." 467 00:22:15,333 --> 00:22:17,460 So it's actually, we don't have any benefits. 468 00:22:17,503 --> 00:22:20,300 Almost everybody in the store has another job. 469 00:22:20,338 --> 00:22:21,532 Mm-hmm. Really? 470 00:22:21,573 --> 00:22:22,916 You have to work a second job if you work at Borders? 471 00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:24,771 - Yes. - You have to do it. 472 00:22:24,808 --> 00:22:26,866 To pay the bills. What do you... 473 00:22:26,909 --> 00:22:28,309 We make six bucks an hour. 474 00:22:28,345 --> 00:22:30,073 What second jobs do you guys work? 475 00:22:30,113 --> 00:22:31,410 Discount retail store. 476 00:22:31,447 --> 00:22:33,847 Yeah. In addition to working at Borders? 477 00:22:33,883 --> 00:22:36,510 They post the results by our time cards, 478 00:22:36,551 --> 00:22:39,452 So you sit there and you look at these long numbers... 479 00:22:39,488 --> 00:22:42,047 of how much over profit we're doing... 480 00:22:42,089 --> 00:22:43,489 and how well we're doing... 481 00:22:43,525 --> 00:22:45,754 and then you're punching in and out... 482 00:22:45,793 --> 00:22:47,238 and you're getting your little paycheck... 483 00:22:47,262 --> 00:22:48,872 with your big hunk for health insurance... 484 00:22:48,896 --> 00:22:50,329 that you can't use. 485 00:22:50,364 --> 00:22:52,354 After taxes, what's your paycheck? 486 00:22:52,399 --> 00:22:54,958 Mine's usually about 325. 487 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,331 That's every two weeks. 488 00:22:56,368 --> 00:22:58,337 Every two weeks? So that's about, what? 489 00:22:58,370 --> 00:23:03,273 A hundred and sixty a week. About 8,000 a year, after taxes. 490 00:23:03,308 --> 00:23:04,639 What do you want? 491 00:23:04,676 --> 00:23:05,986 What do you hope the union will get you? 492 00:23:06,010 --> 00:23:08,945 We're not asking for 15 bucks an hour. 493 00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:10,640 We're not even asking for ten. 494 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,944 - You'd be happy with... - Good God. Eight. 495 00:23:12,983 --> 00:23:14,645 - Good luck. - Thanks, Michael. 496 00:23:14,685 --> 00:23:17,152 Thank you very, very much. I really support you. 497 00:23:17,187 --> 00:23:19,155 And I'll do what I can to help you win. 498 00:23:23,125 --> 00:23:25,957 We headed off to Rockford, Illinois... 499 00:23:25,994 --> 00:23:28,224 which, like my hometown of Flint, Michigan... 500 00:23:28,263 --> 00:23:30,892 had just been named by "Money" magazine... 501 00:23:30,933 --> 00:23:32,593 as the worst city in the country. 502 00:23:32,634 --> 00:23:34,397 Driving through Rockford, I realized... 503 00:23:34,436 --> 00:23:36,232 there were other similarities to Flint. 504 00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:38,635 We had game show host Bob Eubanks. 505 00:23:38,671 --> 00:23:41,071 They had actress Susan Saint James. 506 00:23:41,107 --> 00:23:43,338 Culturally, we had Grand Funk Railroad... 507 00:23:43,377 --> 00:23:45,901 and they had those "I want you to want me" guys... 508 00:23:45,945 --> 00:23:47,310 Cheap Trick. 509 00:23:47,346 --> 00:23:49,575 Random House had arranged for me... 510 00:23:49,614 --> 00:23:52,447 to speak that night at the local Media Play. 511 00:23:57,589 --> 00:24:00,580 No photos, please. No photos. 512 00:24:00,624 --> 00:24:03,354 Media Play was a sprawling complex... 513 00:24:03,394 --> 00:24:07,193 that sold books, CDs, videos, and you could probably get... 514 00:24:07,230 --> 00:24:09,891 a ten-minute lube job while you wait. 515 00:24:09,932 --> 00:24:12,424 Which way to home appliances? 516 00:24:12,469 --> 00:24:14,733 I was really excited to learn that Rick Nielsen... 517 00:24:14,771 --> 00:24:16,567 the lead guitarist from Cheap Trick... 518 00:24:16,605 --> 00:24:17,902 lived just down the road. 519 00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:20,874 So I asked Media Play's P.R. Director, Pat... 520 00:24:20,908 --> 00:24:22,841 if she knew if he was in town. 521 00:24:22,876 --> 00:24:25,242 I think she was worried I was gonna go off... 522 00:24:25,278 --> 00:24:26,712 and hang with him, so she told me... 523 00:24:26,747 --> 00:24:31,274 he was absolutely, definitely not in Rockford. 524 00:24:33,786 --> 00:24:36,311 Why did I come to Rockford? 525 00:24:36,355 --> 00:24:39,187 I really wanted to go to some cities... 526 00:24:39,224 --> 00:24:41,716 other than the ones they usually send authors to... 527 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,455 New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Washington, right? 528 00:24:44,496 --> 00:24:46,760 And nobody ever comes to Rockford. 529 00:24:46,798 --> 00:24:48,788 Right? And I know what that's like... 530 00:24:48,832 --> 00:24:50,527 because I lived in Flint most of my life. 531 00:24:50,567 --> 00:24:52,659 Nobody ever comes to Flint. 532 00:24:55,238 --> 00:24:56,900 Thank you very much. 533 00:24:56,940 --> 00:24:58,100 Thank you very much. 534 00:25:00,276 --> 00:25:01,470 How ya doin', Mike? 535 00:25:01,511 --> 00:25:03,239 - Who's this to? - Laura. 536 00:25:03,278 --> 00:25:05,610 - L-a... - U-r-a. 537 00:25:05,647 --> 00:25:06,806 What do you do here? 538 00:25:06,847 --> 00:25:08,337 - What do I do? - Yeah. 539 00:25:08,382 --> 00:25:09,815 I sell cars. 540 00:25:09,850 --> 00:25:11,011 Oh, yeah? What kind of cars? 541 00:25:11,052 --> 00:25:13,316 Fords. And I got laid off today. 542 00:25:13,354 --> 00:25:17,346 Today? Oh, I'm sorry. 543 00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:19,483 Wow. And this just happened today? 544 00:25:19,526 --> 00:25:22,790 - Mm-hmm. - Do you have kids? 545 00:25:22,828 --> 00:25:24,057 No, and I don't have kids. 546 00:25:24,097 --> 00:25:26,031 But I don't know how they expect the people... 547 00:25:26,065 --> 00:25:31,297 30 to 45 to be able to support their parents... 548 00:25:31,336 --> 00:25:34,065 with jobs that they don't have any benefits... 549 00:25:34,105 --> 00:25:36,664 on themselves, at minimum wage. 550 00:25:36,706 --> 00:25:38,504 I'm really sorry. 551 00:25:38,543 --> 00:25:40,738 Can I give you a hug? I'll come over there. 552 00:25:40,778 --> 00:25:43,245 OK? I'm really, really sorry. 553 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,407 Yeah. That's OK. 554 00:25:45,448 --> 00:25:47,347 I tell ya, every city I go to... 555 00:25:47,383 --> 00:25:48,873 every day, this is what's goin' on. 556 00:25:48,918 --> 00:25:50,680 You are not alone in this. 557 00:25:50,718 --> 00:25:52,744 Well, I know that, and I'm... 558 00:25:52,788 --> 00:25:54,265 That's why I'm glad that you're here... 559 00:25:54,289 --> 00:25:57,554 and just seeing you meant a whole lot to me. 560 00:25:59,794 --> 00:26:03,126 There you go. "Downsized but not out." 561 00:26:03,163 --> 00:26:04,391 Well, that's true. 562 00:26:04,431 --> 00:26:07,298 All right, hang in there, OK? 563 00:26:07,334 --> 00:26:08,891 Really. Seriously, man. OK? 564 00:26:08,935 --> 00:26:11,234 - Thank you very much. - I'm really sorry. 565 00:26:11,271 --> 00:26:12,828 Thanks for coming to Number 300. 566 00:26:12,872 --> 00:26:15,067 Ha ha! Fellow 300-ite. 567 00:26:15,107 --> 00:26:17,666 That's right. Good luck, Flint, Michigan. 568 00:26:17,709 --> 00:26:19,006 All right. Take care. 569 00:26:19,043 --> 00:26:22,809 Any advice for... You came from the worst city in America. 570 00:26:22,846 --> 00:26:24,939 Now you are in the worst city in America... 571 00:26:24,982 --> 00:26:26,540 according to "Money" magazine. 572 00:26:26,584 --> 00:26:29,451 Any advice for the beleaguered Rockford residents? 573 00:26:29,486 --> 00:26:32,147 Yes. I've been to 20 cities so far in this tour... 574 00:26:32,188 --> 00:26:34,554 and the entire country has seen the effects... 575 00:26:34,591 --> 00:26:36,183 of what it's like to be downsized... 576 00:26:36,225 --> 00:26:39,125 while these companies have gotten filthy rich... 577 00:26:39,161 --> 00:26:40,506 and lots of people have lost their jobs. 578 00:26:40,530 --> 00:26:42,019 Rick from Cheap Trick is not in town? 579 00:26:42,064 --> 00:26:43,258 No. They're not in town. 580 00:26:43,298 --> 00:26:45,458 They're not in town? And how do you know that? 581 00:26:45,499 --> 00:26:46,693 Oh, we have our ways. 582 00:26:46,734 --> 00:26:48,793 How do you feel about how it went tonight? 583 00:26:48,836 --> 00:26:51,327 I hear that you only run about 3%. 584 00:26:51,372 --> 00:26:55,240 People that listen to you only have about 3% book sales. 585 00:26:55,276 --> 00:26:57,539 To me, you mean? That what they're saying? 586 00:26:57,577 --> 00:26:58,771 Basically, yeah. 587 00:26:58,812 --> 00:27:00,689 You have a lot of people that listen to you talk... 588 00:27:00,713 --> 00:27:02,237 but they don't buy the book. 589 00:27:02,281 --> 00:27:03,942 Right. Good point. 590 00:27:03,983 --> 00:27:06,746 So, now, where do you get those numbers, from the reps? 591 00:27:06,784 --> 00:27:08,945 - Mostly. Yeah. - From Random House? 592 00:27:08,987 --> 00:27:10,852 Mm-hmm. Those people tell you a lot of things. 593 00:27:10,888 --> 00:27:13,220 Yeah. Like who have you talked to? 594 00:27:13,257 --> 00:27:14,655 Other stores. Other areas. 595 00:27:14,691 --> 00:27:16,181 Give me an example. 596 00:27:16,226 --> 00:27:17,837 Barnes and Noble tonight was really scared... 597 00:27:17,861 --> 00:27:20,056 because they thought you were over there tonight... 598 00:27:20,097 --> 00:27:22,155 and they were worried. They had no books. 599 00:27:22,198 --> 00:27:23,859 Why don't they have any books? 600 00:27:23,899 --> 00:27:25,332 I don't know why. 601 00:27:25,368 --> 00:27:27,836 - They sold out, or... - Probably didn't buy any. 602 00:27:27,870 --> 00:27:30,070 You don't think they bought any at the Barnes and Noble. 603 00:27:30,105 --> 00:27:32,972 I want to review now what I've learned from you tonight. 604 00:27:33,008 --> 00:27:36,170 Number one... only 3% of the people... 605 00:27:36,210 --> 00:27:38,701 who come to hear me speak have actually bought a book. 606 00:27:38,746 --> 00:27:40,373 Mmm, no. That's low. 607 00:27:40,414 --> 00:27:42,177 Three percent? 608 00:27:42,216 --> 00:27:44,410 I mean, there were 100 or more people here... 609 00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:46,282 and they sold just over 100 books. 610 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,345 You know, it's a great sell-through on an event. 611 00:27:49,389 --> 00:27:53,051 Usually, if you can sell at a ratio of 50%... 612 00:27:53,091 --> 00:27:54,489 you're doing great. 613 00:27:54,526 --> 00:27:57,688 Number two... Barnes and Noble didn't have any books... 614 00:27:57,728 --> 00:27:59,339 because they probably didn't order any books. 615 00:27:59,363 --> 00:28:00,524 Correct! 616 00:28:00,565 --> 00:28:02,862 It's been just a real... 617 00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:04,697 Right. Oh! These are all yours? 618 00:28:04,735 --> 00:28:07,726 We were told that they had no books here. 619 00:28:07,771 --> 00:28:09,864 That it wasn't even ordered. 620 00:28:09,906 --> 00:28:11,134 Seriously? 621 00:28:11,174 --> 00:28:12,367 - Yeah. - Told by who? 622 00:28:12,408 --> 00:28:16,469 Somebody down the street there at Media Play. 623 00:28:16,512 --> 00:28:18,343 You can't always believe everything you hear. 624 00:28:18,380 --> 00:28:19,573 Yeah, I guess so, huh? 625 00:28:19,614 --> 00:28:21,377 Last time we send people down there, huh? 626 00:28:21,416 --> 00:28:23,159 Number three... Rick from Cheap Trick is not in town. 627 00:28:23,183 --> 00:28:24,412 Nope. 628 00:28:31,658 --> 00:28:33,853 Here's something you might know. It's three chords. 629 00:28:33,894 --> 00:28:35,918 ♪ For your love I'd give you anything ♪ 630 00:28:35,961 --> 00:28:37,485 ♪ And more that's for sure ♪ 631 00:28:37,530 --> 00:28:40,988 ♪ For your love do, do, do, do, do ♪ 632 00:28:41,033 --> 00:28:43,126 ♪ Do, do, do, do ♪ 633 00:28:43,169 --> 00:28:44,500 You wrote a song, you know. 634 00:28:44,537 --> 00:28:46,163 Too bad the Yardbirds already did it. 635 00:28:46,204 --> 00:28:49,001 - Yeah, right. - They already covered it. 636 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,269 ♪ Come, senators, congressmen ♪ 637 00:28:51,308 --> 00:28:53,172 ♪ Please heed the call ♪ 638 00:28:53,209 --> 00:28:55,770 ♪ Don't stand in the doorways ♪ 639 00:28:55,813 --> 00:28:57,508 ♪ Don't block up the hall ♪ 640 00:28:57,548 --> 00:29:02,177 ♪ For he who has stalled is he who is bald ♪ 641 00:29:02,218 --> 00:29:06,449 ♪ Oh, the outside ♪ 642 00:29:06,488 --> 00:29:09,889 ♪ It'll rattle your windows and you'll shake like a stone ♪ 643 00:29:09,925 --> 00:29:14,861 ♪ For the times they are a-changin' ♪ 644 00:29:14,895 --> 00:29:16,089 Oh! 645 00:29:30,609 --> 00:29:35,136 ♪ For the times they are a-changin' ♪ 646 00:29:36,980 --> 00:29:38,744 ♪ The answer my friend ♪ 647 00:29:38,783 --> 00:29:42,275 Forget this book tour. Forget the movie crap. Come on! 648 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,718 I could be a Dylan impersonator. 649 00:29:43,754 --> 00:29:45,278 On the road, baby. You're it. 650 00:29:45,322 --> 00:29:47,516 I am on the road. Forty-seven cities. 651 00:29:47,556 --> 00:29:50,786 - That's commendable, you know. - How do you guys do this? 652 00:29:50,825 --> 00:29:54,489 It's travel and perform, travel and perform. 653 00:29:54,530 --> 00:29:57,465 That's, uh... you, uh... 654 00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:59,296 You kind of look forward to a day off. 655 00:29:59,334 --> 00:30:01,733 - I did Media Play in Rockford. - So did we. 656 00:30:01,769 --> 00:30:03,930 - You did Media Play? - You're dang right we did. 657 00:30:03,971 --> 00:30:05,995 - I don't feel so bad now. - Oh, thanks. 658 00:30:06,038 --> 00:30:08,838 But I walked in there thinking, "What is this?" 659 00:30:08,877 --> 00:30:11,470 I felt like that scene in "Spinal Tap", you know? 660 00:30:11,512 --> 00:30:15,003 "Puppet show and Michael Moore, appearing tonight." 661 00:30:15,047 --> 00:30:16,741 What's your advice for Milwaukee? 662 00:30:16,782 --> 00:30:19,410 Well, where are you going? 663 00:30:19,451 --> 00:30:21,384 We're going to Schwartz's book store. 664 00:30:21,418 --> 00:30:23,411 Yeah, we're playing there next. 665 00:30:23,456 --> 00:30:26,515 You've never played Schwartz's. 666 00:30:26,558 --> 00:30:32,290 ♪ On the road again ♪ 667 00:30:32,328 --> 00:30:34,488 Good night, everybody. Peace. 668 00:30:39,369 --> 00:30:41,836 ♪ I didn't understand till I was grown ♪ 669 00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:44,737 ♪ Why my daddy didn't spend a little time at home ♪ 670 00:30:44,773 --> 00:30:47,502 ♪ Instead of runnin' 'round the country ♪ 671 00:30:47,542 --> 00:30:49,668 ♪ That way ♪ 672 00:30:49,709 --> 00:30:51,575 ♪ Whoa ♪ 673 00:30:51,612 --> 00:30:56,571 ♪ I'm lookin' at the world through a windshield ♪ 674 00:30:56,616 --> 00:31:01,712 ♪ Seein' everything in a little bit different light ♪ 675 00:31:01,754 --> 00:31:03,016 ♪ I got a sweet little thing ♪ 676 00:31:03,055 --> 00:31:06,718 ♪ That I'm dyin' to see in Nashville ♪ 677 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:10,661 Milwaukee is not a New York or a Chicago or an I. A... 678 00:31:10,696 --> 00:31:15,063 so we don't tend to have as many high-profile celebrity types... 679 00:31:15,098 --> 00:31:18,033 movie stars, et cetera. So we tend to get people... 680 00:31:18,068 --> 00:31:21,731 who don't take themselves quite so seriously in Milwaukee. 681 00:31:21,772 --> 00:31:23,831 We're considered more of a second-tier city... 682 00:31:23,874 --> 00:31:26,171 so we get more thoughtful people... 683 00:31:26,209 --> 00:31:30,372 who are literary writers or nonfiction writers... 684 00:31:30,412 --> 00:31:32,971 or like Michael, who is doing... 685 00:31:33,013 --> 00:31:35,881 really kind of an interesting book tour. 686 00:31:35,917 --> 00:31:38,909 His is the most fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants... 687 00:31:38,954 --> 00:31:40,181 book tour I've ever seen... 688 00:31:40,221 --> 00:31:41,865 and I've been doing this for seven years... 689 00:31:41,889 --> 00:31:43,720 where things are just sort of scratched... 690 00:31:43,757 --> 00:31:47,157 and things are added, and people want him constantly, 691 00:31:47,193 --> 00:31:48,369 to talk to him, to chat with him... 692 00:31:48,393 --> 00:31:49,918 and he obliges, which is very nice... 693 00:31:49,963 --> 00:31:53,160 but it throws the schedule a curve. 694 00:31:53,199 --> 00:31:54,893 How does that make your life? 695 00:31:54,933 --> 00:31:57,868 Do I have a twitch yet? 696 00:31:57,903 --> 00:32:00,769 Union leaders have hopped into bed with management... 697 00:32:00,805 --> 00:32:01,999 over the last two decades... 698 00:32:02,038 --> 00:32:04,132 and every time management snapped their fingers... 699 00:32:04,175 --> 00:32:05,472 unions would jump... 700 00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:07,100 and they gave all these concessions... 701 00:32:07,143 --> 00:32:09,271 in the '80s... Remember that? 702 00:32:09,312 --> 00:32:11,542 One of the, actually, very funny pieces... 703 00:32:11,581 --> 00:32:14,549 in this book is about your attempt... 704 00:32:14,583 --> 00:32:17,245 to see if candidates would accept money from anybody. 705 00:32:17,286 --> 00:32:18,878 Right. 706 00:32:18,921 --> 00:32:22,880 Tell us about your campaign contributions that you made... 707 00:32:22,925 --> 00:32:25,893 Michael! We have to go! 708 00:32:28,462 --> 00:32:30,362 What were you saying? 709 00:32:30,397 --> 00:32:32,126 I said he needs a mother. 710 00:32:32,165 --> 00:32:33,860 He's making me repeat this. 711 00:32:33,901 --> 00:32:35,561 I really don't want to be yelling at you. 712 00:32:35,601 --> 00:32:37,069 You haven't yelled at all. 713 00:32:37,104 --> 00:32:39,196 You're the kindest escort I've had. 714 00:32:39,238 --> 00:32:40,449 Oh, well, then I can get tougher. 715 00:32:40,473 --> 00:32:43,134 Yeah. You're way too easy on me. 716 00:32:46,344 --> 00:32:48,539 What the hell? We got an air raid going here. 717 00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:50,069 That's the noon whistle. 718 00:32:50,114 --> 00:32:52,140 That's the noon whistle? 719 00:32:52,183 --> 00:32:55,276 That's a frightening noon whistle. 720 00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:57,013 Does that happen every noon? 721 00:32:57,053 --> 00:32:59,487 - I think so. - What's the point of that? 722 00:32:59,522 --> 00:33:01,100 I think it means that you can have lunch now. 723 00:33:01,124 --> 00:33:02,682 Well, that's true. 724 00:33:02,725 --> 00:33:05,522 Actually, I lived in a town like that. 725 00:33:06,528 --> 00:33:08,155 Johnson Controls... 726 00:33:08,196 --> 00:33:10,596 whose worldwide headquarters are located in Milwaukee... 727 00:33:10,632 --> 00:33:12,064 announced today they are closing... 728 00:33:12,099 --> 00:33:13,343 their Milwaukee Humboldt facility. 729 00:33:13,367 --> 00:33:14,528 Johnson Controls... 730 00:33:14,569 --> 00:33:16,468 a major supplier to the auto industry... 731 00:33:16,504 --> 00:33:18,971 of engine parts, seat covers and hydraulics... 732 00:33:19,005 --> 00:33:22,032 said the Milwaukee production is being moved to Mexico. 733 00:33:28,514 --> 00:33:30,482 Just turn in right here. 734 00:33:33,185 --> 00:33:35,550 What's the deal here? We're not gonna get... 735 00:33:35,586 --> 00:33:37,197 The deal is you never turn the camera off. 736 00:33:37,221 --> 00:33:39,348 That's the deal. Let's go. Ready? 737 00:33:39,390 --> 00:33:40,856 Everybody ready? 738 00:33:40,891 --> 00:33:43,725 I'm on? I'm on, right? 739 00:33:52,435 --> 00:33:54,062 What's going on right here? 740 00:33:54,103 --> 00:33:55,831 I'd like to know that, too. 741 00:33:55,870 --> 00:33:57,416 I'd like to know what they did on the inside. 742 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,203 I'm trying to stay out of the way of Johnson Controls. 743 00:34:00,241 --> 00:34:01,708 Actually, I heard a siren... 744 00:34:01,743 --> 00:34:04,054 and I thought maybe that had something to do with Michael... 745 00:34:04,078 --> 00:34:06,512 and so I decided I'd get into my car... 746 00:34:06,547 --> 00:34:08,913 rather than being rousted by the police... 747 00:34:08,949 --> 00:34:10,711 But it was an ambulance going by. 748 00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:13,083 Do you know why he went in to Johnson Controls? 749 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,815 I know that they've just laid off a lot of people... 750 00:34:15,855 --> 00:34:18,322 but I don't know specifically what he was doing in there. 751 00:34:18,357 --> 00:34:20,621 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 752 00:34:20,658 --> 00:34:22,058 - And you are? - I'm Bev Jakowsky. 753 00:34:22,094 --> 00:34:24,153 - And you're with? - Johnson Controls. 754 00:34:24,196 --> 00:34:25,372 Do you know Mr. Keyes, the chairman? 755 00:34:25,396 --> 00:34:26,659 - I do. - Yes? 756 00:34:26,698 --> 00:34:28,442 Well, I would like to present him with a check... 757 00:34:28,466 --> 00:34:30,263 a little gift from me, a going-away present. 758 00:34:30,301 --> 00:34:31,631 I don't think this is appropriate. 759 00:34:31,668 --> 00:34:33,295 Hi. How ya doing? I'm Michael Moore. 760 00:34:33,336 --> 00:34:34,496 Hi, Michael. 761 00:34:34,537 --> 00:34:36,471 Hi. I just brought a little present here for you. 762 00:34:36,506 --> 00:34:39,906 Eighty cents to pay the first Mexican worker... 763 00:34:39,943 --> 00:34:41,240 for the first hour of work. 764 00:34:41,277 --> 00:34:42,687 This is what you'll be paying Mexicans down there... 765 00:34:42,711 --> 00:34:43,939 eighty cents an hour. 766 00:34:43,979 --> 00:34:45,913 And, just to help out, you know... 767 00:34:45,948 --> 00:34:49,610 because I guess you're hitting... You've had hard times, right? 768 00:34:49,650 --> 00:34:51,948 No, we haven't had hard times. 769 00:34:51,986 --> 00:34:53,885 You've only made a half a billion dollars... 770 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,253 in the last three years in profits. 771 00:34:56,290 --> 00:34:58,814 Yeah, our company is reasonably successful... 772 00:34:58,859 --> 00:35:01,452 and we're committed to continuing to be successful. 773 00:35:01,494 --> 00:35:04,429 Why would you leave Milwaukee if you're successful? 774 00:35:04,462 --> 00:35:07,660 Because we need to remain competitive in our businesses. 775 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:10,328 - Thanks very much for coming... - You want to be more successful? 776 00:35:10,369 --> 00:35:12,700 We need to continue to be successful. That's right. 777 00:35:12,737 --> 00:35:15,137 And the families here who will lose their jobs? 778 00:35:15,173 --> 00:35:17,538 The families who are here who will leave their jobs... 779 00:35:17,574 --> 00:35:18,871 we're gonna do the best we can... 780 00:35:18,909 --> 00:35:20,672 to help them out in making the transition. 781 00:35:20,711 --> 00:35:22,269 To where, Mexico? 782 00:35:22,312 --> 00:35:24,780 The families are going to Mexico with you? 783 00:35:24,815 --> 00:35:27,305 To help them find other jobs at Johnson Controls... 784 00:35:27,350 --> 00:35:29,580 or other good jobs for them going forward. 785 00:35:29,619 --> 00:35:31,108 So thanks very much. We appreciate it. 786 00:35:31,153 --> 00:35:33,144 - Will you take this? - Sure. Thank you. 787 00:35:33,188 --> 00:35:35,588 All right. Eighty cents. Give it to Mr. Keyes. 788 00:35:35,624 --> 00:35:36,921 OK. Very good. 789 00:35:36,958 --> 00:35:39,358 - Any way I could meet him? - I'm afraid he's unavailable. 790 00:35:39,394 --> 00:35:41,793 Because, actually, I have another present for him. 791 00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:43,922 This is the Downsizer of the Year award... 792 00:35:43,964 --> 00:35:46,090 and you win it for Milwaukee. 793 00:35:46,132 --> 00:35:47,692 Each city that I'm in on my book tour... 794 00:35:47,734 --> 00:35:49,963 I'm giving out various Downsizer Awards... 795 00:35:50,002 --> 00:35:52,369 to the companies that make millions in profits... 796 00:35:52,405 --> 00:35:54,100 and then throw people out of work. 797 00:35:54,140 --> 00:35:57,131 And because you've done that here in Milwaukee... 798 00:35:57,176 --> 00:35:58,404 I want to thank you. 799 00:35:58,444 --> 00:36:00,001 You're sure Mr. Keyes won't see me? 800 00:36:00,044 --> 00:36:01,705 Yeah. I'm afraid he's not available. 801 00:36:01,746 --> 00:36:04,179 - I'd like to request... - But he is here? 802 00:36:04,214 --> 00:36:06,150 He's unavailable. I'm really not sure... 803 00:36:06,185 --> 00:36:07,995 You should tell him I'm here. He'll know who I am. 804 00:36:08,019 --> 00:36:10,816 - I'm not sure... - He supplies G.M. 805 00:36:10,854 --> 00:36:14,653 I would like to request that if you'd like to come back... 806 00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:16,168 make an appointment, we can talk some more. 807 00:36:16,192 --> 00:36:17,535 I'd be glad to make an appointment. 808 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:19,637 But I'd like to request... Jack, if you could help me out? 809 00:36:19,661 --> 00:36:21,323 Jack, how ya doin'? Michael Moore. 810 00:36:21,363 --> 00:36:23,024 - What's your job here? - Jack Higgins. 811 00:36:23,065 --> 00:36:25,862 - What do you do here? - Human resources. 812 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:27,311 That's always my favorite department... 813 00:36:27,335 --> 00:36:29,427 because they take care of the people here, right? 814 00:36:29,470 --> 00:36:32,267 All the people that you're gonna be laying off. 815 00:36:32,305 --> 00:36:34,433 The human resources? 816 00:36:34,475 --> 00:36:36,636 It's not actually in my area... 817 00:36:36,677 --> 00:36:37,987 but, yes, we will be dealing with that. 818 00:36:38,011 --> 00:36:40,638 - What does human resources do? - OK. Let's hold on. 819 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,057 I think we've had enough discussion. 820 00:36:42,081 --> 00:36:43,843 You brought Jack out here to talk to us. 821 00:36:43,882 --> 00:36:47,282 Yeah, Jack came out to keep us company. 822 00:36:47,318 --> 00:36:50,652 We've had our little discussion. Thanks very much for coming. 823 00:36:50,689 --> 00:36:52,987 I wish you had called to let us know... 824 00:36:53,024 --> 00:36:54,768 and maybe we would have been better prepared... 825 00:36:54,792 --> 00:36:56,282 for your cameras and your show. 826 00:36:56,327 --> 00:36:58,567 We wish you would have called and told all the workers... 827 00:36:58,595 --> 00:37:00,072 so they would have been better prepared. 828 00:37:00,096 --> 00:37:02,063 - They were. - Yeah. Yeah. 829 00:37:02,097 --> 00:37:04,293 We've been talking with our employees continually. 830 00:37:04,334 --> 00:37:05,858 They've known this for years, right? 831 00:37:05,902 --> 00:37:07,062 That you'd be leaving here? 832 00:37:07,103 --> 00:37:09,161 Each year, as you made a bigger and bigger profit... 833 00:37:09,204 --> 00:37:11,172 they knew you would leave Milwaukee... 834 00:37:11,206 --> 00:37:13,673 because they did such a good job you made so much money. 835 00:37:13,708 --> 00:37:15,985 I think our employees have got a much better understanding... 836 00:37:16,009 --> 00:37:17,978 of what's happening than you do. 837 00:37:18,012 --> 00:37:21,470 I have 20 years here, coming on Friday... 838 00:37:21,516 --> 00:37:24,313 and we were told yesterday... 839 00:37:24,351 --> 00:37:26,944 that the entire plant would be closed. 840 00:37:26,986 --> 00:37:29,546 You know where they're gonna relocate? 841 00:37:29,588 --> 00:37:33,786 Yes. It's going to Mexico. Reynosa, Mexico. 842 00:37:33,826 --> 00:37:36,454 Once you're laid off, what's your plan? 843 00:37:36,495 --> 00:37:40,021 I don't have one right now. I don't know. 844 00:37:40,064 --> 00:37:42,657 You know, I have to see what my options are... 845 00:37:42,699 --> 00:37:44,929 and go from there. 846 00:37:44,968 --> 00:37:47,198 I asked Ed if he'd like to head over... 847 00:37:47,237 --> 00:37:48,794 to Manpower, Incorporated... 848 00:37:48,838 --> 00:37:51,967 the temp agency whose world headquarters... 849 00:37:52,009 --> 00:37:54,374 just happened to be located in Milwaukee. 850 00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:57,037 Manpower... a company that guarantees you... 851 00:37:57,078 --> 00:37:58,409 a job for a day... 852 00:37:58,446 --> 00:38:02,439 was now the number-one employer in the country. 853 00:38:02,484 --> 00:38:05,851 We thought, seeing how this is such a great company... 854 00:38:05,887 --> 00:38:08,787 maybe we could get Ed a temp job. 855 00:38:08,822 --> 00:38:11,085 I want to thank you for stopping by... 856 00:38:11,124 --> 00:38:12,614 and I wish I could help you further... 857 00:38:12,659 --> 00:38:14,627 at this point, but you took me by surprise... 858 00:38:14,661 --> 00:38:17,186 and I'd like to find out more about the situation. 859 00:38:17,230 --> 00:38:19,698 How about an application for Ed to get a temp job? 860 00:38:19,732 --> 00:38:21,324 - Please? - No? 861 00:38:21,367 --> 00:38:22,958 - Thanks. - No? 862 00:38:23,001 --> 00:38:25,468 Milwaukee was a great base for manufacturing... 863 00:38:25,503 --> 00:38:26,834 and there's really nobody left. 864 00:38:26,871 --> 00:38:30,136 And now, we were one of the biggest companies here... 865 00:38:30,174 --> 00:38:31,641 and now we're going... 866 00:38:31,676 --> 00:38:34,144 so I don't know what we're going to do. 867 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,544 You know, whenever I fly to one of these cities... 868 00:38:39,583 --> 00:38:43,541 I usually get stuck next to some businessman... 869 00:38:43,586 --> 00:38:45,520 who, after having a couple of martinis... 870 00:38:45,554 --> 00:38:49,991 looks over at me and, you know... 871 00:38:50,025 --> 00:38:53,187 "Who are you? Oh, yeah. Roger Moore." 872 00:38:55,996 --> 00:38:59,727 "I know you. You made that movie. 873 00:38:59,766 --> 00:39:02,063 "What have you got against profit?" 874 00:39:02,101 --> 00:39:04,263 That's what they have to say, right? 875 00:39:04,304 --> 00:39:05,827 "What have you got against profit? 876 00:39:05,871 --> 00:39:08,362 "Company's got a responsibility to its shareholders. 877 00:39:08,407 --> 00:39:11,399 "That's our system... the shareholders." 878 00:39:11,444 --> 00:39:14,810 That's not our system. 879 00:39:14,846 --> 00:39:16,972 Our system's a democracy. 880 00:39:17,014 --> 00:39:19,540 I've read the U.S. Constitution. 881 00:39:19,584 --> 00:39:23,178 The word "shareholder" does not appear once in that document. 882 00:39:26,023 --> 00:39:28,047 I've seen the word "people"... 883 00:39:28,091 --> 00:39:30,820 of, by, and for the people... I've seen that... 884 00:39:30,859 --> 00:39:32,759 but I've not seen the word "shareholder." 885 00:39:32,794 --> 00:39:34,762 But, you know, that's what they like to say. 886 00:39:34,796 --> 00:39:37,230 They like to spout off with that stuff, don't they? 887 00:39:37,266 --> 00:39:40,030 The shareholders. Profit. 888 00:39:40,068 --> 00:39:41,613 "Company should be able to do whatever it can... 889 00:39:41,637 --> 00:39:43,035 "to make a profit, Mike. 890 00:39:43,070 --> 00:39:44,799 "You can't stop a company from doing that." 891 00:39:44,839 --> 00:39:47,534 Yes, we can. 892 00:39:47,574 --> 00:39:49,285 We have a democracy. We can do whatever we want. 893 00:39:49,309 --> 00:39:51,140 We can pass whatever law we want... 894 00:39:51,177 --> 00:39:53,201 as long as it fits into that Constitution. 895 00:39:53,245 --> 00:39:55,441 We can pass any law we want. 896 00:39:55,482 --> 00:39:57,312 We do it all the time. 897 00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:59,214 If it's just about profit... 898 00:39:59,251 --> 00:40:00,945 If it's just about making a profit... 899 00:40:00,985 --> 00:40:03,977 well, then, why doesn't General Motors sell crack? 900 00:40:05,757 --> 00:40:08,247 Huh? They could make a huge profit selling crack. 901 00:40:08,292 --> 00:40:11,819 A 2,000-pound car makes G.M. about a $1,000 profit. 902 00:40:11,862 --> 00:40:15,297 Two thousand pounds of crack, there's a million bucks there. 903 00:40:15,331 --> 00:40:17,765 So why don't they sell crack? 904 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,927 The CIA's got the market cornered. 905 00:40:19,969 --> 00:40:22,027 The CIA has got the market. 906 00:40:31,378 --> 00:40:32,845 Where are the Republicans... 907 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,848 when you want to privatize something, right? 908 00:40:37,184 --> 00:40:39,880 Actually, that's what we need to do. 909 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,717 We need to turn crack over to General Motors... 910 00:40:42,755 --> 00:40:44,654 because they'll really screw it up, you know? 911 00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:46,783 We'll eliminate crack in five years... 912 00:40:46,825 --> 00:40:48,725 if we just turn it over to General Motors. 913 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,218 They'll completely mismanage the whole thing, right? 914 00:40:52,264 --> 00:40:53,526 Oh, my God! 915 00:40:53,565 --> 00:40:55,108 We made the "New York Times" best-seller list. 916 00:40:55,132 --> 00:40:58,862 Oh, man! 917 00:40:58,902 --> 00:41:02,963 Oh, God. Oh, my God. That's such good news. 918 00:41:03,006 --> 00:41:05,406 Have you called Kathleen? 919 00:41:05,443 --> 00:41:08,809 Oh! Oh, my God! 920 00:41:08,845 --> 00:41:11,210 Oh! Oh, I'm stunned! 921 00:41:11,246 --> 00:41:15,079 They must be flipping out there at Random House. 922 00:41:15,116 --> 00:41:17,812 Yeah, OK. All right. 923 00:41:17,852 --> 00:41:20,320 All right. 924 00:41:20,355 --> 00:41:23,586 Ha ha! Rockford pushed us over. 925 00:41:23,624 --> 00:41:27,558 Rockford! It was Rockford! Ha ha! 926 00:41:27,593 --> 00:41:29,538 How do I feel about the book being sold by a corporation? 927 00:41:29,562 --> 00:41:32,895 Yeah. Did you ever consider trying to sell it... 928 00:41:32,932 --> 00:41:36,129 at just non-corporate book stores? 929 00:41:36,168 --> 00:41:37,863 You know, I did, until I made... 930 00:41:37,903 --> 00:41:39,563 the "New York Times" best-seller list. 931 00:41:39,604 --> 00:41:42,766 Now I don't think corporations are such a bad idea. 932 00:41:42,806 --> 00:41:45,297 Flat tax isn't a bad idea either... 933 00:41:45,342 --> 00:41:48,140 come to think of it. Thank you. 934 00:41:59,454 --> 00:42:02,014 At the state capitol in Wisconsin... 935 00:42:02,057 --> 00:42:03,753 I accompanied a group of women... 936 00:42:03,793 --> 00:42:05,692 whose welfare benefits had just been cut... 937 00:42:05,727 --> 00:42:08,217 by the Republican governor, Tommy Thompson... 938 00:42:08,262 --> 00:42:11,095 and the Democratic president, Bill Clinton. 939 00:42:11,132 --> 00:42:13,065 Joining us, quite unexpectedly... 940 00:42:13,099 --> 00:42:15,532 were two morning deejays from the local rock station. 941 00:42:15,567 --> 00:42:18,163 And the Crash-and-Burns Crew here on WJJO... 942 00:42:18,205 --> 00:42:20,015 and we're gonna offer to clean up his office... 943 00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:22,098 to show him that these people want their money... 944 00:42:22,142 --> 00:42:23,631 and they're willing to work for it. 945 00:42:23,675 --> 00:42:25,802 Man, I'm winded. 946 00:42:37,287 --> 00:42:38,914 - Michael Moore. - Michael. 947 00:42:38,955 --> 00:42:40,854 Good to meet ya. Governor Thompson here? 948 00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:43,051 No, he's actually... he's out of state. 949 00:42:43,092 --> 00:42:44,388 He's out of state? 950 00:42:44,426 --> 00:42:47,919 We brought some people here who are recipients of welfare. 951 00:42:47,963 --> 00:42:49,808 They would like to come in and clean the governor's office. 952 00:42:49,832 --> 00:42:51,924 They brought mops, brooms, some dust pads... 953 00:42:51,966 --> 00:42:54,059 We already have people who do that. 954 00:42:54,102 --> 00:42:57,559 But they want to give it an extra polish. 955 00:42:57,604 --> 00:42:59,070 It'd be a lot cheaper. 956 00:42:59,105 --> 00:43:00,767 Yeah. Because you're already paying them. 957 00:43:00,808 --> 00:43:01,919 We have people who are paid to do that. 958 00:43:01,943 --> 00:43:04,672 But you know the governor's worried about welfare. 959 00:43:04,711 --> 00:43:06,200 People not wanting to work. 960 00:43:06,245 --> 00:43:08,736 We give them jobs where they don't... 961 00:43:08,781 --> 00:43:11,374 They don't even have to get welfare benefits. 962 00:43:11,416 --> 00:43:12,747 They'll get a real paycheck. 963 00:43:12,784 --> 00:43:14,649 You'll give them real jobs with real paychecks? 964 00:43:14,686 --> 00:43:17,621 - Sure, we'll help them. - Where they won't be evicted? 965 00:43:17,656 --> 00:43:19,033 They'll have enough money to pay rent and get food? 966 00:43:19,057 --> 00:43:20,634 You'll do that for these women right now? 967 00:43:20,658 --> 00:43:23,024 We'll set them up with people who'll help them do that. 968 00:43:23,060 --> 00:43:25,550 - Right now you will? - Sure. Where are they from? 969 00:43:25,595 --> 00:43:27,373 What kind of wage are you gonna pay them here? 970 00:43:27,397 --> 00:43:29,763 - Pardon? - What kind of wage? 971 00:43:29,799 --> 00:43:32,199 Most people who are leaving welfare right now... 972 00:43:32,235 --> 00:43:33,725 are makin' $6.00 an hour. 973 00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:35,361 Do you realize that the average job... 974 00:43:35,404 --> 00:43:39,339 starts at 5.25 to 5.75 an hour? 975 00:43:39,373 --> 00:43:41,637 First of all, let me explain something. 976 00:43:41,676 --> 00:43:45,840 Say it is 5.25 an hour, and you're makin' 5.25 an hour. 977 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,905 You will have, at the end of the year... 978 00:43:47,949 --> 00:43:51,247 5,000 dollars more real income in your pocket... 979 00:43:51,284 --> 00:43:52,444 than being on the A.F.D.C. 980 00:43:52,486 --> 00:43:54,146 I don't want to be on A.F.D.C. 981 00:43:54,186 --> 00:43:56,211 I'm a full-time student working now... 982 00:43:56,255 --> 00:43:57,813 That's my point. 983 00:43:57,857 --> 00:44:00,916 If you're workin', even at that $5.00-an-hour job, 984 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,757 if you just look at the pure cash... 985 00:44:02,795 --> 00:44:04,694 the pure dollars, you're makin' more money... 986 00:44:04,729 --> 00:44:07,220 at that $5.00-an-hour job than you are on the A.F.D.C. 987 00:44:07,265 --> 00:44:10,495 But I'm not gettin' medical benefits, dental... 988 00:44:10,534 --> 00:44:12,263 Sure you will. 989 00:44:12,302 --> 00:44:15,532 Wait a minute. My children are not gonna be covered. 990 00:44:15,571 --> 00:44:17,904 Who's gonna pay for my child care? 991 00:44:17,941 --> 00:44:20,135 Seriously, ma'am, if you went to the job center... 992 00:44:20,176 --> 00:44:21,507 I'm goin' there now! 993 00:44:21,544 --> 00:44:24,944 That's what I'm tellin' you now. We already at the job center. 994 00:44:24,980 --> 00:44:27,141 We're already on the Pay for Performers. 995 00:44:27,182 --> 00:44:29,446 We've already been through the goals program. 996 00:44:29,484 --> 00:44:31,281 We've already took the classes. 997 00:44:31,319 --> 00:44:34,151 I'm still getting sanctioned, I still don't have a job... 998 00:44:34,188 --> 00:44:36,019 and I'm still on welfare. 999 00:44:36,056 --> 00:44:38,046 What do you think of all this? 1000 00:44:38,091 --> 00:44:41,151 I'm staying out of the way. You know my problem. 1001 00:44:41,194 --> 00:44:42,627 What's your problem? 1002 00:44:42,662 --> 00:44:44,562 Well, Governor Thompson is a personal friend... 1003 00:44:44,596 --> 00:44:47,657 and the lieutenant governor is also a personal friend... 1004 00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:49,564 and I really don't want them to see me here... 1005 00:44:49,601 --> 00:44:51,535 and wonder what the heck I'm doing. 1006 00:44:51,570 --> 00:44:54,368 Roger Smith, my old buddy, all right? 1007 00:44:54,406 --> 00:44:57,704 Here's Governor Thompson giving a welfare check to Roger. 1008 00:44:57,742 --> 00:44:58,902 - Yeah. - OK? 1009 00:44:58,943 --> 00:45:00,968 And how many jobs did that help create... 1010 00:45:01,012 --> 00:45:03,445 for people that you're complaining about to work? 1011 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,449 How many jobs has G.M. eliminated in the last 10 years? 1012 00:45:06,482 --> 00:45:08,474 Since Tommy Thompson's been in office... 1013 00:45:08,518 --> 00:45:10,144 they've had more jobs in this state. 1014 00:45:10,185 --> 00:45:12,244 - General Motors? - Been in office. 1015 00:45:12,288 --> 00:45:14,847 Yes. Since Tommy Thompson has been in office. 1016 00:45:14,889 --> 00:45:16,084 Come on! 1017 00:45:16,125 --> 00:45:17,501 You complain about people getting their jobs back... 1018 00:45:17,525 --> 00:45:20,289 What I want you to do is stop giving away the free money. 1019 00:45:20,328 --> 00:45:21,692 You just want to have an issue. 1020 00:45:21,728 --> 00:45:24,822 Stop giving away the free money to the corporations. 1021 00:45:24,865 --> 00:45:28,800 We wanna work! We wanna work! 1022 00:45:28,834 --> 00:45:31,895 Where's my broom at? My toilet brush? 1023 00:45:31,939 --> 00:45:34,338 There's something stink up in this capitol. 1024 00:45:34,373 --> 00:45:37,536 I am a mother of 4 children. Full-time student. 1025 00:45:37,577 --> 00:45:40,977 My youngest child will be a year, November 21. 1026 00:45:41,012 --> 00:45:44,640 I am trying to better myself in order to get a job... 1027 00:45:44,682 --> 00:45:48,379 where I can afford to live above the poverty line... 1028 00:45:48,419 --> 00:45:50,545 and it's just not working. 1029 00:45:50,587 --> 00:45:52,715 See that sign? Say justice. 1030 00:45:52,756 --> 00:45:54,120 Where's mine? 1031 00:45:54,157 --> 00:45:57,557 Where's my justice? 1032 00:45:57,593 --> 00:46:00,688 This way? Come on, pumpkin. 1033 00:46:08,669 --> 00:46:10,136 Tommy Thompson. 1034 00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:20,143 What bad experience did he have in junior high school? 1035 00:46:24,516 --> 00:46:26,347 "Hi. I'm Tommy Thompson." 1036 00:46:30,655 --> 00:46:32,953 "Mmm! I'm gonna take it out... 1037 00:46:32,991 --> 00:46:35,482 "on all the people of Wisconsin when I grow up." 1038 00:46:45,735 --> 00:46:48,898 Tommy Thompson. I went over to see him today. 1039 00:46:52,141 --> 00:46:55,075 I went over there to turn in some welfare mothers. 1040 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,772 To turn in some welfare mothers... 1041 00:47:02,817 --> 00:47:07,309 because I am sick and tired of these lazy welfare bums... 1042 00:47:07,353 --> 00:47:09,913 these cheats, these chiselers... 1043 00:47:09,956 --> 00:47:14,153 General Motors, Chrysler, Johnson Controls... 1044 00:47:14,191 --> 00:47:18,788 Pabst Blue Ribbon, Miller, et cetera, et cetera. 1045 00:47:20,899 --> 00:47:23,332 The people of Wisconsin have been doling out... 1046 00:47:23,367 --> 00:47:26,358 way too much welfare money to these corporations. 1047 00:47:26,403 --> 00:47:29,804 Do you know, nationwide, we give $170 billion a year... 1048 00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:32,308 to corporate America in corporate welfare? 1049 00:47:32,343 --> 00:47:33,832 That's free cash, free handouts. 1050 00:47:33,877 --> 00:47:37,710 Three times what we give in social welfare. Three times. 1051 00:47:37,746 --> 00:47:39,804 We don't hear a word about that, though, do we? 1052 00:47:39,847 --> 00:47:42,247 We don't hear Tommy Thompson wanting to end welfare... 1053 00:47:42,283 --> 00:47:44,410 as he knows it. 1054 00:48:04,704 --> 00:48:06,364 Sure. 1055 00:48:08,373 --> 00:48:10,932 I got 20 cities left to go, all right? 1056 00:48:10,974 --> 00:48:13,738 - So you're at number 27 now? - Yes. 1057 00:48:13,778 --> 00:48:15,189 You've done this before. This is my first time. 1058 00:48:15,213 --> 00:48:17,737 What is your advice for me on this tour? 1059 00:48:17,781 --> 00:48:19,078 How do I get through this? 1060 00:48:19,116 --> 00:48:20,980 One person at a time, you look them in the eye. 1061 00:48:21,017 --> 00:48:22,985 You shake their hand. You do whatever they want. 1062 00:48:23,019 --> 00:48:26,317 - Become a passive individual. - Right. 1063 00:48:26,354 --> 00:48:28,949 You give up all sense of personal will or preference. 1064 00:48:28,991 --> 00:48:31,982 - Right. - You are meat. 1065 00:48:32,027 --> 00:48:34,291 Any advice on how to deal with the escorts? 1066 00:48:34,329 --> 00:48:37,661 The escorts? Don't even get into that, Mike. 1067 00:48:37,698 --> 00:48:39,858 Don't get involved with that. 1068 00:48:39,899 --> 00:48:42,925 It's not a good thing. 1069 00:48:42,969 --> 00:48:47,065 Take cold showers and go to church. 1070 00:48:47,107 --> 00:48:49,631 ♪ Kyrie eleison ♪ 1071 00:48:49,675 --> 00:48:53,007 ♪ Christe eleison ♪ 1072 00:48:53,044 --> 00:48:56,673 ♪ Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah ♪ 1073 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,043 This... 1074 00:49:04,087 --> 00:49:06,146 Sister Herman in fifth grade... 1075 00:49:06,189 --> 00:49:08,383 she taught us about impure thoughts. 1076 00:49:08,424 --> 00:49:10,085 Fifth grade, all right? 1077 00:49:10,126 --> 00:49:11,889 She did two things to us in fifth grade. 1078 00:49:11,927 --> 00:49:13,862 She taught us what impure thoughts were... 1079 00:49:13,897 --> 00:49:16,831 and she used to come into the boys' room... 1080 00:49:16,866 --> 00:49:19,766 during the two times of the day you could go to pee... 1081 00:49:19,801 --> 00:49:21,428 they march you down in a straight line... 1082 00:49:21,469 --> 00:49:22,628 you go in and pee... 1083 00:49:22,669 --> 00:49:24,147 and she'd come in there and watch us pee... 1084 00:49:24,171 --> 00:49:26,332 to make sure that we weren't playing with ourselves. 1085 00:49:26,373 --> 00:49:28,342 I swear. 1086 00:49:30,811 --> 00:49:33,608 And if it looked like you were having too much fun peeing... 1087 00:49:33,646 --> 00:49:39,242 she'd go like this, "Tsk, tsk, tsk." 1088 00:49:39,284 --> 00:49:41,218 So one day I said... 1089 00:49:41,253 --> 00:49:45,314 "Sister, when is an impure thought a venial sin 1090 00:49:45,357 --> 00:49:46,756 "and when is it a mortal sin?" 1091 00:49:46,792 --> 00:49:48,986 You know, venial sins, you just go to purgatory... 1092 00:49:49,026 --> 00:49:50,891 mortal sins, you burn in hell. 1093 00:49:50,928 --> 00:49:53,327 And she said... and I quote... 1094 00:49:53,363 --> 00:49:57,459 "A venial sin is when you just allow the thought... 1095 00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:59,934 "to pass quickly through your head without holding it. 1096 00:49:59,969 --> 00:50:02,334 "It just goes right through your head." 1097 00:50:02,371 --> 00:50:04,032 Whoosh! 1098 00:50:05,374 --> 00:50:07,307 "That's a venial sin. 1099 00:50:07,341 --> 00:50:09,832 "But if you hold that thought for more than five seconds... 1100 00:50:09,877 --> 00:50:13,210 "it's a mortal sin." 1101 00:50:13,247 --> 00:50:15,807 Yeah. So I spent most of my adolescence... 1102 00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:17,578 timing my impure thoughts. 1103 00:50:17,617 --> 00:50:21,143 "5, 4, 3, 2, 1. OK! It's gone! 1104 00:50:21,187 --> 00:50:23,656 "It's gone! 1105 00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:25,554 "Here comes another one. OK! 1106 00:50:25,591 --> 00:50:28,185 "5, 4, 3, 2, 1. 1107 00:50:28,227 --> 00:50:31,855 "Oh, Lucifer, here I come!" 1108 00:50:31,896 --> 00:50:35,456 We were over at the Mall of America before... 1109 00:50:36,935 --> 00:50:40,461 Oh! "No, we don't go to the Mall of America. 1110 00:50:40,504 --> 00:50:46,339 "No. No. We're going to the student union after this... 1111 00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:49,673 "to listen to multicultural folk music from Cuba... 1112 00:50:49,711 --> 00:50:51,942 "and eat tofu from Nicaragua. 1113 00:50:51,981 --> 00:50:53,811 "Mall of America... 1114 00:50:53,849 --> 00:50:55,942 "we don't want to be there with those people." 1115 00:50:55,984 --> 00:50:58,350 What a great place, man. 1116 00:50:58,386 --> 00:51:00,751 I wish I'd spent the whole day there. 1117 00:51:00,788 --> 00:51:05,122 We met... Ha! ...we met some incredible people. 1118 00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:07,559 We met this guy... 1119 00:51:07,595 --> 00:51:09,926 and I said, "Did you vote in the last election?" 1120 00:51:09,963 --> 00:51:12,591 He was probably in his early 20s. 1121 00:51:12,632 --> 00:51:14,497 He said, "No. I was in prison." 1122 00:51:14,534 --> 00:51:16,544 - Yeah, I was in Ventura. - You were in that prison? 1123 00:51:16,568 --> 00:51:17,846 California Youth Authority. Yeah, I was. 1124 00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:19,310 Where TWA has that reservation thing? 1125 00:51:19,337 --> 00:51:20,498 Yeah. 1126 00:51:20,539 --> 00:51:22,733 If you call TWA at certain times of the day... 1127 00:51:22,773 --> 00:51:24,035 to make a plane reservation... 1128 00:51:24,075 --> 00:51:27,806 you're talking to an inmate in Ventura, California. 1129 00:51:27,845 --> 00:51:29,709 He goes, "Yeah, that was us." 1130 00:51:31,948 --> 00:51:33,677 So you mean, you're in prison... 1131 00:51:33,717 --> 00:51:36,083 and you're taking airline reservations. 1132 00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:39,315 And you're sending people to the Bahamas... 1133 00:51:39,355 --> 00:51:41,915 and you can't even walk outside? 1134 00:51:41,957 --> 00:51:43,501 I think it's, like, a "corporational" thing... 1135 00:51:43,525 --> 00:51:46,584 so TWA doesn't have to hire people... 1136 00:51:46,628 --> 00:51:48,653 and they can pay less. 1137 00:51:48,696 --> 00:51:50,994 Because if you go into a job at TWA... 1138 00:51:51,032 --> 00:51:53,556 they're gonna pay you 7, 8, 9 bucks an hour. 1139 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,124 Any funny stories? People calling for reservations? 1140 00:51:56,168 --> 00:51:57,727 Yeah, there's all kinds. 1141 00:51:57,771 --> 00:52:01,262 How people get phone numbers and get hookups... 1142 00:52:01,307 --> 00:52:02,718 and, you know, like, girls'll be calling... 1143 00:52:02,742 --> 00:52:04,607 and they'll be, like, "Hey, what's your name?" 1144 00:52:04,644 --> 00:52:06,770 Your normal stuff that would probably happen... 1145 00:52:06,811 --> 00:52:09,541 if you were working at TWA, but they don't realize that... 1146 00:52:09,581 --> 00:52:13,448 what they're really talking to are rapists or murderers... 1147 00:52:13,484 --> 00:52:15,782 or, you know, people that are just like... 1148 00:52:15,819 --> 00:52:18,583 They talk about how they're supposed to change kids. 1149 00:52:18,622 --> 00:52:20,953 - Yeah. - I came out as a murderer. 1150 00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:24,755 I don't give a fuck about you, you, you, you. 1151 00:52:24,793 --> 00:52:28,854 Anybody in here. You know? 1152 00:52:28,897 --> 00:52:31,196 - Why should I? - You don't give a shit? 1153 00:52:31,234 --> 00:52:33,497 Nah. Nobody gives a shit in there. 1154 00:52:33,535 --> 00:52:34,866 You don't give a shit about me? 1155 00:52:34,903 --> 00:52:36,631 No. I don't care about... 1156 00:52:36,671 --> 00:52:38,571 I do not care about nobody. 1157 00:52:38,606 --> 00:52:41,871 And that is your basic society nowadays. 1158 00:52:41,909 --> 00:52:43,386 You could fuck me up right now if you wanted to? 1159 00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:44,604 Yeah. I wouldn't care. 1160 00:52:44,644 --> 00:52:45,956 - You wouldn't care? - No. I wouldn't. 1161 00:52:45,980 --> 00:52:48,004 So next time you're, like, treating... 1162 00:52:48,048 --> 00:52:49,675 that person on the phone really shitty... 1163 00:52:49,716 --> 00:52:51,808 because they can't find your frequent flyer number... 1164 00:52:51,850 --> 00:52:54,113 just remember... 1165 00:52:54,152 --> 00:52:57,485 you could get a visit someday. 1166 00:52:59,123 --> 00:53:00,591 Isn't that sick, though? 1167 00:53:00,626 --> 00:53:03,093 I mean, corporations are using prison labor. 1168 00:53:03,127 --> 00:53:04,616 We're not talking about China, here. 1169 00:53:04,661 --> 00:53:06,288 We're talking about the U.S. of A. 1170 00:53:06,330 --> 00:53:08,797 Spaulding packages their golf balls... 1171 00:53:08,831 --> 00:53:10,492 in prisons in Hawaii. 1172 00:53:10,533 --> 00:53:13,628 Microsoft packages software in prisons in Washington. 1173 00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:17,435 Eddie Bauer has clothes made in prisons in Washington state. 1174 00:53:17,473 --> 00:53:20,202 You aware of this? If you live in Colorado... 1175 00:53:20,241 --> 00:53:22,708 and you're getting a call from AT&T... 1176 00:53:22,743 --> 00:53:26,202 AT&T uses prisoners to do their telemarketing for them. 1177 00:53:26,247 --> 00:53:27,908 They're calling people at 9:00 at night... 1178 00:53:27,949 --> 00:53:31,941 asking them to switch from MCI, and they're doing 20 to life. 1179 00:53:31,986 --> 00:53:33,919 And what do you think they're getting paid? 1180 00:53:33,953 --> 00:53:35,318 Virtually nothing. 1181 00:53:35,355 --> 00:53:37,982 Why don't we just close down all the factories... 1182 00:53:38,023 --> 00:53:40,048 throw everyone out of work, right? 1183 00:53:40,092 --> 00:53:41,736 A number of them will obviously turn to crime... 1184 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,058 because they'll be unemployed. 1185 00:53:43,096 --> 00:53:45,461 We can then ship them back into the factory... 1186 00:53:45,497 --> 00:53:46,964 which can now be a prison... 1187 00:53:46,999 --> 00:53:49,899 and they can do their old job, which they're trained to do... 1188 00:53:49,934 --> 00:53:51,697 and get paid two dollars an hour... 1189 00:53:51,736 --> 00:53:53,259 and the company can make a huge profit. 1190 00:53:53,303 --> 00:53:57,104 What a great idea! Huh? 1191 00:53:57,141 --> 00:54:00,234 Then the Dow can hit 10,000. 1192 00:54:00,276 --> 00:54:02,937 Yeah! 1193 00:54:02,978 --> 00:54:07,437 But, you know, it's kind of a new generation... 1194 00:54:07,482 --> 00:54:10,748 of media guides coming in now, and... 1195 00:54:10,786 --> 00:54:13,311 Could we change the name to media guide... 1196 00:54:13,355 --> 00:54:15,618 or something, but not escort? 1197 00:54:15,656 --> 00:54:18,647 - Literary gigolo? - Yeah. Ha ha! 1198 00:54:18,692 --> 00:54:21,319 Minneapolis is the headquarters for Pillsbury, 1199 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,555 which has been using federal funds... 1200 00:54:23,596 --> 00:54:25,827 to send their doughboy to the Third World. 1201 00:54:27,267 --> 00:54:28,426 Pillsbury Doughboy! 1202 00:54:34,706 --> 00:54:36,639 This escort would be the first... 1203 00:54:36,673 --> 00:54:38,470 to join me as a partner in crime. 1204 00:54:38,509 --> 00:54:42,503 OK, now, one side of it is coming up here on the left. 1205 00:54:42,547 --> 00:54:44,810 This is probably gonna be our easiest way to approach it. 1206 00:55:08,369 --> 00:55:10,269 Huh? 1207 00:55:10,304 --> 00:55:12,294 - Hi, how you doing? - You wanna shut that off? 1208 00:55:12,338 --> 00:55:14,829 - What's wrong? - You wanna shut it off? 1209 00:55:14,874 --> 00:55:16,966 - Yeah, shut it off. - What are you doing? 1210 00:55:17,009 --> 00:55:18,820 We'd like to talk to the public relations woman. 1211 00:55:18,844 --> 00:55:21,778 You don't be taking film through this building. 1212 00:55:21,813 --> 00:55:24,373 You have to have permission from the building... 1213 00:55:24,415 --> 00:55:25,883 before you can do anything in here. 1214 00:55:25,918 --> 00:55:28,442 All we want to ask is about Pillsbury and $11 million... 1215 00:55:28,486 --> 00:55:30,113 I don't care. Come with me. 1216 00:55:30,154 --> 00:55:31,711 All right. 1217 00:55:32,722 --> 00:55:34,586 Can we film out here? 1218 00:55:34,623 --> 00:55:37,854 I was allowed to ask the chairman one question... 1219 00:55:37,893 --> 00:55:41,261 as long as I wrote it on a yellow Post-It note. 1220 00:55:41,298 --> 00:55:43,492 OK, so here's the question: 1221 00:55:43,532 --> 00:55:45,499 "Why does Pillsbury need... 1222 00:55:45,533 --> 00:55:48,627 "$11 million in welfare for the Doughboy?" 1223 00:55:48,669 --> 00:55:51,332 All right. What you should do this afternoon... 1224 00:55:51,372 --> 00:55:53,737 is check in here and they'll have some information. 1225 00:55:53,774 --> 00:55:55,868 - But I'll call. 330-5103. - Yeah. 1226 00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:58,503 I left Pillsbury confident they would take... 1227 00:55:58,545 --> 00:55:59,977 this Post-It note to their leader... 1228 00:56:00,012 --> 00:56:02,640 and convince him to stop accepting welfare checks... 1229 00:56:05,818 --> 00:56:09,116 ♪ You know I'm standing at the station ♪ 1230 00:56:09,154 --> 00:56:11,019 ♪ Ready to go ♪ 1231 00:56:11,056 --> 00:56:14,456 ♪ Oh, big, old air-o-plane I'm trusting you so ♪ 1232 00:56:14,492 --> 00:56:18,587 ♪ Get on up, big bird, to my baby's love ♪ 1233 00:56:18,628 --> 00:56:22,894 ♪ Get on up, big bird, to my baby's love ♪ 1234 00:56:22,932 --> 00:56:24,901 - ♪ Get on up ♪ - ♪ Babe ♪ 1235 00:56:24,935 --> 00:56:26,765 - ♪ 'Cause I got to make it ♪ - ♪ Babe ♪ 1236 00:56:26,803 --> 00:56:28,327 - ♪ Just get on up ♪ - ♪ Babe ♪ 1237 00:56:28,371 --> 00:56:30,736 - ♪ 'Cause I got to make it ♪ - ♪ Babe ♪ 1238 00:56:30,772 --> 00:56:33,331 ♪ Get on up ♪ 1239 00:56:37,311 --> 00:56:40,280 Michael Moore? Diane Mitchell from Chicago Media. 1240 00:56:40,314 --> 00:56:42,578 Oh, hi. Are you the new escort? 1241 00:56:42,617 --> 00:56:43,878 - Yes, I am. - How you doin'? 1242 00:56:43,917 --> 00:56:45,714 Fine. How 'bout you? They're ready for you. 1243 00:56:45,752 --> 00:56:48,220 They are? OK. All right. Thanks for being here. 1244 00:56:48,255 --> 00:56:49,916 My pleasure, believe me. 1245 00:56:49,956 --> 00:56:54,324 Michael is like a floor sample of what we can all be. 1246 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,555 He's a wonderful floor sample... 1247 00:56:56,595 --> 00:56:59,119 and he gives us courage, you know? 1248 00:56:59,164 --> 00:57:00,631 And he says, you know... 1249 00:57:00,665 --> 00:57:03,566 "We can make a difference. Each one of us can. 1250 00:57:03,601 --> 00:57:06,933 "And all we have to do is stand up and stand together." 1251 00:57:06,970 --> 00:57:09,370 ♪ We're gonna roll right over him ♪ 1252 00:57:09,406 --> 00:57:12,239 ♪ We're gonna roll the union on ♪ 1253 00:57:12,276 --> 00:57:13,902 One more. One more. 1254 00:57:13,943 --> 00:57:16,844 ♪ We're gonna roll we're gonna roll ♪ 1255 00:57:16,879 --> 00:57:19,746 ♪ We're gonna roll the union on ♪ 1256 00:57:19,782 --> 00:57:21,009 One more verse. 1257 00:57:21,049 --> 00:57:24,450 ♪ We're gonna roll we're gonna roll ♪ 1258 00:57:24,486 --> 00:57:27,181 ♪ We're gonna roll the union on ♪ 1259 00:57:27,221 --> 00:57:29,189 Hearing that song of the Thirties... 1260 00:57:29,223 --> 00:57:31,487 of the Flint sit-down strike... 1261 00:57:31,525 --> 00:57:33,117 of labor, the CIO... 1262 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,956 I'm seated next to Michael Moore. 1263 00:57:34,994 --> 00:57:37,121 Now, many of you know who Michael Moore is. 1264 00:57:37,163 --> 00:57:40,599 And Michael Moore's new book is called "Downsize This! 1265 00:57:40,633 --> 00:57:43,829 "Random Threats from an Unarmed American." 1266 00:57:43,869 --> 00:57:46,133 And so, just hearing this passage... 1267 00:57:46,171 --> 00:57:48,196 from this old Labor song of the Thirties... 1268 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,104 what thought comes to your mind immediately? 1269 00:57:50,141 --> 00:57:52,166 I think of my uncle Laverne, actually... 1270 00:57:52,210 --> 00:57:57,841 who was in that sit-down strike 60 years ago this winter, Studs. 1271 00:57:57,881 --> 00:58:00,179 And I think about, you know... 1272 00:58:00,217 --> 00:58:04,448 how all of us gained from that... 1273 00:58:04,486 --> 00:58:07,420 and all other labor actions that came after that. 1274 00:58:07,455 --> 00:58:10,914 How the standard of living, how our health care... 1275 00:58:10,959 --> 00:58:13,929 social security, child labor... 1276 00:58:13,963 --> 00:58:16,863 All these things came as a result of the struggle... 1277 00:58:16,898 --> 00:58:18,888 that those people participated in. 1278 00:58:18,932 --> 00:58:21,059 And if they could see what's going on now... 1279 00:58:23,069 --> 00:58:25,765 We come to the big subject. We hear the phrase today... 1280 00:58:25,805 --> 00:58:27,432 "Since the evil empire is gone... 1281 00:58:27,473 --> 00:58:29,202 "we have a new enemy called terrorists." 1282 00:58:29,242 --> 00:58:30,869 And so you have a picture... 1283 00:58:30,910 --> 00:58:32,654 at the beginning of this book, "Downsize This!" 1284 00:58:32,678 --> 00:58:35,840 Two photographs. "What is terrorism?" 1285 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,247 And it's almost... two photographs almost identical. 1286 00:58:39,284 --> 00:58:41,114 Destroyed buildings. 1287 00:58:41,151 --> 00:58:43,017 The first one's Oklahoma City, Oklahoma... 1288 00:58:43,054 --> 00:58:45,248 1995, after the bombing. 1289 00:58:45,289 --> 00:58:48,519 Down below... Flint, Michigan, 1996. 1290 00:58:48,558 --> 00:58:50,617 And you can hardly tell the difference. 1291 00:58:50,660 --> 00:58:52,650 They're two pieces of destruction. 1292 00:58:52,694 --> 00:58:56,426 So the question is, "What is terrorism?" 1293 00:58:56,466 --> 00:58:58,831 Well, obviously, if you park a Ryder truck... 1294 00:58:58,867 --> 00:59:00,745 in front of a building filled with explosives... 1295 00:59:00,769 --> 00:59:03,100 and blow up that building and kill 168 people... 1296 00:59:03,137 --> 00:59:04,399 that's an act of terrorism. 1297 00:59:04,438 --> 00:59:06,268 There's no question about that. 1298 00:59:06,306 --> 00:59:07,796 But what do you call it, Studs... 1299 00:59:07,841 --> 00:59:10,606 when you politely remove the people... 1300 00:59:10,645 --> 00:59:13,204 from the building first and then blow it up? 1301 00:59:13,246 --> 00:59:14,736 But in the ensuing years... 1302 00:59:14,781 --> 00:59:16,714 the people that used to work in that building... 1303 00:59:16,749 --> 00:59:18,793 because their livelihood has been stripped from them... 1304 00:59:18,817 --> 00:59:20,807 the people that used work there... 1305 00:59:20,852 --> 00:59:22,912 a number of them will die. They'll die from suicide. 1306 00:59:22,955 --> 00:59:25,048 They'll die from spousal abuse. 1307 00:59:25,090 --> 00:59:27,149 They'll die from drugs and alcoholism. 1308 00:59:27,192 --> 00:59:31,025 All the social problems that surround people... 1309 00:59:31,062 --> 00:59:32,460 when they become unemployed. 1310 00:59:32,496 --> 00:59:35,487 Those people are just as dead as the people in Oklahoma City... 1311 00:59:35,531 --> 00:59:38,330 but we don't call the actions of the company terrorism, do we? 1312 00:59:38,368 --> 00:59:40,233 We don't call the company a murderer. 1313 00:59:40,270 --> 00:59:43,966 But I do consider this an act of economic terrorism... 1314 00:59:44,006 --> 00:59:46,599 when at a time you're making a record profit... 1315 00:59:46,641 --> 00:59:48,131 you would throw people out of work... 1316 00:59:48,176 --> 00:59:50,370 just so you can make a little bit more. 1317 00:59:53,014 --> 00:59:54,538 Back when we were in Centralia... 1318 00:59:54,582 --> 00:59:56,345 we had promised the workers at PayDay... 1319 00:59:56,384 --> 01:00:00,217 that when we got to Chicago, we'd pay their owners a visit. 1320 01:00:07,259 --> 01:00:08,852 I'll write it in for you. 1321 01:00:08,895 --> 01:00:11,022 OK. 1322 01:00:11,064 --> 01:00:12,496 We're just supposed to take this... 1323 01:00:12,531 --> 01:00:15,522 to the chairman's office... surprise. 1324 01:00:19,069 --> 01:00:20,413 You'd better check with that girl in there... 1325 01:00:20,437 --> 01:00:22,668 - before you go anywhere. - OK. 1326 01:00:22,707 --> 01:00:25,232 Jim, they're not allowed in here. Get them out. 1327 01:00:25,276 --> 01:00:26,833 Surprise. It's PayDay, Friday. 1328 01:00:26,876 --> 01:00:28,275 Wait a minute. 1329 01:00:28,311 --> 01:00:31,473 I got a check here for 65 cents to buy the last PayDay. 1330 01:00:31,513 --> 01:00:32,724 But who said you guys could come in here? 1331 01:00:32,748 --> 01:00:35,341 - We did. - Who is Michael Moore? 1332 01:00:35,383 --> 01:00:36,907 That's me. I'm Michael Moore. 1333 01:00:36,951 --> 01:00:38,579 - Are you security? - Yeah. 1334 01:00:38,620 --> 01:00:41,087 - Huh? - Outside. 1335 01:00:41,122 --> 01:00:43,522 What? We can't wait in here? 1336 01:00:43,558 --> 01:00:45,218 - No. - No. Outside. 1337 01:00:45,258 --> 01:00:46,782 Oh, OK. All right. 1338 01:00:46,827 --> 01:00:48,293 If you don't, we'll call the police. 1339 01:00:48,327 --> 01:00:50,227 - Call the police? - Yeah. 1340 01:00:50,262 --> 01:00:51,661 You need to call the police. 1341 01:00:51,697 --> 01:00:55,189 - You can just go outside. - I'm bringing a present. 1342 01:00:55,234 --> 01:00:57,327 Leave your present outside the door. 1343 01:00:57,370 --> 01:00:59,496 You wanna get outside the door, please? Huh? 1344 01:00:59,537 --> 01:01:02,630 Are they gonna call up? 1345 01:01:02,673 --> 01:01:04,106 They already did call. 1346 01:01:04,141 --> 01:01:06,735 You're not allowed in here. Outside. 1347 01:01:06,777 --> 01:01:08,939 Yeah, take him outside the door and wait there. 1348 01:01:08,980 --> 01:01:10,241 All we wanted... 1349 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:11,991 The boss is coming to meet you outside the door. 1350 01:01:12,015 --> 01:01:14,278 - The boss is gonna come out? - Yeah. Outside the door. 1351 01:01:14,317 --> 01:01:17,717 OK, great. A $20 million profit. 1352 01:01:17,753 --> 01:01:21,382 Will you step outside the door? I know what you're thinking. 1353 01:01:21,423 --> 01:01:23,585 Go and wait outside the door. 1354 01:01:23,626 --> 01:01:26,355 Don't take pictures of me, now, OK? 1355 01:01:26,395 --> 01:01:29,329 You want to go outside, sir? 1356 01:01:29,363 --> 01:01:34,699 Hey, hey, hey! What the hell are you doing? 1357 01:01:34,735 --> 01:01:37,226 The boss is coming? 1358 01:01:37,271 --> 01:01:40,899 Is he coming down? The boss? Is he coming down? 1359 01:01:42,741 --> 01:01:45,835 Michael, the guy... the supplier that just left... 1360 01:01:45,878 --> 01:01:49,644 he told me the company was just sold to Hershey's today. 1361 01:01:49,681 --> 01:01:52,673 This company? Was sold to Hershey's? 1362 01:01:52,718 --> 01:01:54,742 - Today? - Today. 1363 01:01:59,623 --> 01:02:01,180 Hershey. Today. 1364 01:02:01,223 --> 01:02:03,556 They took over Leaf North America. 1365 01:02:03,593 --> 01:02:08,188 Right? OK, I got the right name now. 1366 01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:10,164 Is the boss coming down? 1367 01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:13,224 No? You said he was coming down. 1368 01:02:13,268 --> 01:02:14,792 He's not coming down. 1369 01:02:14,836 --> 01:02:17,361 He's not coming down? Well, you tricked us. 1370 01:02:18,606 --> 01:02:21,939 Oh, man. We've been hoodwinked. 1371 01:02:24,611 --> 01:02:26,238 Police are here. Heads up. 1372 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:27,439 - How you doing? - Good. 1373 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,505 - I'm Michael Moore. - Hi, Michael Moore. 1374 01:02:29,549 --> 01:02:35,418 I'm making a documentary film for the BBC... What's that? 1375 01:02:35,454 --> 01:02:37,752 We've been asked to ask you to leave. 1376 01:02:37,789 --> 01:02:38,983 Turn that off, please. 1377 01:02:39,024 --> 01:02:40,201 They made a big announcement today... 1378 01:02:40,225 --> 01:02:42,784 that Hershey is taking over Leaf. 1379 01:02:42,827 --> 01:02:45,159 - So? - We just want to talk to... 1380 01:02:45,196 --> 01:02:47,721 I understand that, but they don't want to talk to you... 1381 01:02:47,765 --> 01:02:48,925 and this is private property. 1382 01:02:48,965 --> 01:02:50,643 They handed out a press release. We're the press. 1383 01:02:50,667 --> 01:02:53,465 We'll leave. We're not on public property? 1384 01:02:53,503 --> 01:02:54,663 - That's right. - Correct. 1385 01:02:54,704 --> 01:02:56,671 - This is private property. - That's correct. 1386 01:02:56,705 --> 01:02:58,195 I asked you to turn that off. 1387 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,208 We'll leave. Yeah, turn off all the stuff. 1388 01:03:00,242 --> 01:03:02,937 This is Michael Moore. 1389 01:03:02,977 --> 01:03:04,239 If he asks you again... 1390 01:03:04,278 --> 01:03:06,076 we're gonna confiscate the equipment. 1391 01:03:06,114 --> 01:03:08,411 All right, all equipment, off. 1392 01:03:08,449 --> 01:03:09,780 All right? 1393 01:03:09,817 --> 01:03:14,082 Officer, there's no reason... put away those handcuffs. 1394 01:03:15,755 --> 01:03:16,983 "Wait, wait." 1395 01:03:17,023 --> 01:03:18,867 "What's your name? Let me see your driver's license." 1396 01:03:18,891 --> 01:03:21,257 I said, "No, no, no. You don't understand." 1397 01:03:21,293 --> 01:03:22,521 "That's enough." 1398 01:03:22,561 --> 01:03:24,324 The guy's getting ready to read me my rights. 1399 01:03:24,363 --> 01:03:25,556 And I said, "Wait a minute. 1400 01:03:25,597 --> 01:03:28,862 "You can't arrest me. I'm on a book tour." 1401 01:03:30,368 --> 01:03:34,929 I'm an author. You can't arrest authors. 1402 01:03:36,173 --> 01:03:37,936 And the private security guy's going... 1403 01:03:37,975 --> 01:03:39,965 "Arrest him. Arrest him. We told him. 1404 01:03:40,009 --> 01:03:41,533 "We told him to get off our property... 1405 01:03:41,577 --> 01:03:42,738 "and he refused to leave. 1406 01:03:42,779 --> 01:03:44,268 "He's trespassing. Yeah, arrest him." 1407 01:03:44,313 --> 01:03:46,153 "Well, wait a minute. That's not what happened. 1408 01:03:46,182 --> 01:03:49,878 "They told us to come outside and wait for the boss." 1409 01:03:49,918 --> 01:03:52,546 "No, we didn't. That's a lie." 1410 01:03:52,587 --> 01:03:54,679 Of course, he'd forgotten about the people... 1411 01:03:54,722 --> 01:03:56,167 that he had pushed out the door with me. 1412 01:03:56,191 --> 01:03:58,055 And so I said to the officer... 1413 01:03:58,092 --> 01:04:00,219 "Officer, let's roll the videotape." 1414 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,463 I am supposed to keep them on schedule. 1415 01:04:11,504 --> 01:04:14,336 Yes. And thank God the 2:00 appointment... 1416 01:04:14,373 --> 01:04:18,001 was canceled today or else we'd be in trouble. 1417 01:04:18,042 --> 01:04:22,570 Yes, I am, and sometimes I'm not very popular with them. 1418 01:04:22,613 --> 01:04:24,672 Because I have to be a meanie. 1419 01:04:24,715 --> 01:04:26,807 Well, she wasn't really a meanie... 1420 01:04:26,850 --> 01:04:28,681 but this was my wedding anniversary... 1421 01:04:28,718 --> 01:04:30,548 and my wife had just flown into town. 1422 01:04:30,586 --> 01:04:32,781 I had to find a way to lose the escort... 1423 01:04:32,821 --> 01:04:34,287 and then I remembered something... 1424 01:04:34,322 --> 01:04:36,257 that Rick from Cheap Trick had suggested. 1425 01:04:36,292 --> 01:04:38,851 You ask them to go get you some cigarettes. 1426 01:04:38,893 --> 01:04:40,486 Then you call security. 1427 01:04:40,529 --> 01:04:42,206 And while they're out trying to get you some cigarettes... 1428 01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:45,096 even though you don't smoke... you call security and say... 1429 01:04:45,132 --> 01:04:46,372 "This guy, he's wearing a suit." 1430 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,459 And you describe him, exactly what he looks like... 1431 01:04:49,502 --> 01:04:51,266 And you say, "I don't care what he says. 1432 01:04:51,305 --> 01:04:53,432 "He's bothering the daylights out of me. 1433 01:04:53,473 --> 01:04:56,305 "He's nuts. No matter what. Get rid of him." 1434 01:04:56,342 --> 01:04:57,707 - That'll work? - Oh, yeah. 1435 01:04:57,743 --> 01:04:59,142 Tell 'em he's a stalker? 1436 01:04:59,178 --> 01:05:01,771 Yeah. But you gotta be a little mean-spirited. 1437 01:05:01,813 --> 01:05:03,439 Yeah. That'll be hard for me. 1438 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,005 I doubt it. 1439 01:05:07,051 --> 01:05:10,987 Can you go get me... 1440 01:05:11,021 --> 01:05:13,819 um, like a, uh... something... 1441 01:05:13,857 --> 01:05:15,721 Like if you go through those doors out there... 1442 01:05:15,758 --> 01:05:17,658 I think there's a Coke machine or something. 1443 01:05:17,694 --> 01:05:20,162 - Right. Coffee downstairs. - Coffee downstairs? 1444 01:05:20,196 --> 01:05:22,007 You have to go out through those doors, first, right? 1445 01:05:22,031 --> 01:05:23,776 Go out through those doors and get me one of those. 1446 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,494 - OK. Coffee? - Thanks a lot. 1447 01:05:25,534 --> 01:05:28,765 Coffee's great. Thanks. Thank you very much. 1448 01:05:30,838 --> 01:05:34,295 I would say yes. She's constantly threatening me. 1449 01:05:34,341 --> 01:05:36,537 You can see she has that stalker look in her eyes. 1450 01:05:36,577 --> 01:05:38,340 So you don't want her anywhere near you? 1451 01:05:38,379 --> 01:05:40,539 No. And if you see her around here... 1452 01:05:40,580 --> 01:05:43,742 she might be wearing exactly what's in that photograph. 1453 01:05:51,156 --> 01:05:52,418 Excuse me, ma'am. 1454 01:05:52,458 --> 01:05:54,652 Could you please put the coffee over here? 1455 01:05:54,692 --> 01:05:56,070 I need you to leave the building right away. 1456 01:05:56,094 --> 01:05:57,459 Why? 1457 01:05:57,495 --> 01:06:00,486 They're taking her away. 1458 01:06:00,530 --> 01:06:04,021 - How is he gonna get back? - Please walk this way. 1459 01:06:04,066 --> 01:06:08,595 OK. Wait a minute! This is not right. 1460 01:06:08,639 --> 01:06:12,733 Yeah, OK. All right. 1461 01:06:12,774 --> 01:06:14,469 All right, we should tell her now. 1462 01:06:14,509 --> 01:06:16,373 It's just a joke. 1463 01:06:16,410 --> 01:06:20,313 Uh-oh. Oh, my... Where is he taking her? 1464 01:06:20,348 --> 01:06:22,316 Oh, God. Oh, my God. 1465 01:06:22,350 --> 01:06:24,078 All right, here. I'll be right back. 1466 01:06:24,118 --> 01:06:26,518 Hang on a second, all right? 1467 01:06:28,187 --> 01:06:30,882 You're a sick individual. 1468 01:06:30,922 --> 01:06:32,446 We only do this to people we love. 1469 01:06:32,491 --> 01:06:35,017 Get over there. Go sign your books. 1470 01:06:35,061 --> 01:06:37,120 She's right back to ordering me again. See? 1471 01:06:44,502 --> 01:06:46,833 You know what I hate about being in these airports? 1472 01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:50,170 Always having to step aside for those beeping carts... 1473 01:06:50,207 --> 01:06:53,607 because someone who's perfectly capable of walking to the plane 1474 01:06:53,643 --> 01:06:55,042 is getting a free ride. 1475 01:06:55,078 --> 01:06:58,240 ♪ Gone 500 miles before the day is done ♪ 1476 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,008 ♪ I got a bad case ♪ 1477 01:07:00,048 --> 01:07:03,644 ♪ Of the homesick truck driver blues ♪ 1478 01:07:18,999 --> 01:07:20,990 Would you tell us why 13,000 people... 1479 01:07:21,034 --> 01:07:23,024 have been laid off here since 1993? 1480 01:07:23,069 --> 01:07:24,400 At a time of record profits... 1481 01:07:24,437 --> 01:07:26,461 when you've made about $6 billion? 1482 01:07:26,504 --> 01:07:30,030 We wanted to keep this company competitive... 1483 01:07:30,074 --> 01:07:33,009 that we needed to do something today and now... 1484 01:07:33,043 --> 01:07:34,511 in order to ensure... 1485 01:07:34,546 --> 01:07:36,604 that this company stayed healthy and profitable. 1486 01:07:36,647 --> 01:07:38,358 But it's obvious that you're healthy and profitable. 1487 01:07:38,382 --> 01:07:42,249 It's $6 billion. That's a huge profit. 1488 01:07:42,285 --> 01:07:44,377 No, that's not correct. That's not the... 1489 01:07:44,419 --> 01:07:47,184 - Six billion's not huge? - That's not our profits. 1490 01:07:47,223 --> 01:07:49,487 - That's the profit. - No, it's not. 1491 01:07:49,525 --> 01:07:51,549 What is the profit since 1993? 1492 01:07:51,593 --> 01:07:54,289 - It's, um... - You're talking annual profits? 1493 01:07:54,329 --> 01:07:55,955 Yes, annual profits since 1993. 1494 01:07:55,996 --> 01:07:59,193 Since '93? If you total it, yes. 1495 01:07:59,233 --> 01:08:01,211 That's when the layoffs started. That's what I'm saying. 1496 01:08:01,235 --> 01:08:05,501 During that time of layoffs, you made, take home, $6 billion. 1497 01:08:05,539 --> 01:08:08,507 Do you have any plans of rehiring any of these people... 1498 01:08:08,541 --> 01:08:11,475 now that you've made $6 billion in the last 3 years? 1499 01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:14,877 Well, we are a company that is promotion from within... 1500 01:08:14,913 --> 01:08:16,903 so we are always hiring because of... 1501 01:08:16,948 --> 01:08:19,577 The people who lost their jobs... Are you gonna bring them back? 1502 01:08:19,618 --> 01:08:22,142 We can't say what we would do as far as anybody... 1503 01:08:22,186 --> 01:08:24,483 - Are you doing well? - Sure, we're doing well. 1504 01:08:24,521 --> 01:08:26,165 So, why not share the wealth a little here? 1505 01:08:26,189 --> 01:08:28,919 It's good for the country, don't you think? 1506 01:08:28,959 --> 01:08:30,203 How would you feel about a law... 1507 01:08:30,227 --> 01:08:32,285 that prohibits Procter and Gamble... 1508 01:08:32,328 --> 01:08:35,126 from laying people off when they're making a profit? 1509 01:08:35,164 --> 01:08:37,029 I'm not in a position to really be able... 1510 01:08:37,066 --> 01:08:40,364 to respond to that kind of legislation at this point. 1511 01:08:40,401 --> 01:08:41,579 A certificate of achievement... 1512 01:08:41,603 --> 01:08:43,366 for the Procter and Gamble corporation... 1513 01:08:43,404 --> 01:08:45,463 success in downsizing. 1514 01:08:45,507 --> 01:08:47,667 Congratulations. Thank you very much. 1515 01:08:47,708 --> 01:08:49,642 Thank you very much. 1516 01:08:49,676 --> 01:08:51,735 And call us if you have questions... 1517 01:08:51,779 --> 01:08:53,336 and we'll be glad to... 1518 01:08:53,379 --> 01:08:55,506 All right. I will definitely call you. 1519 01:08:55,548 --> 01:08:57,709 - Do we have your card? - I don't have a card with me. 1520 01:08:57,750 --> 01:08:59,261 - A phone number? - Do you have a card? 1521 01:08:59,285 --> 01:09:00,751 No, I don't have a card either. 1522 01:09:00,786 --> 01:09:03,551 Who's got a card? Wait, we've got a card. 1523 01:09:03,589 --> 01:09:06,819 Everything on me has been laundered in Tide. 1524 01:09:06,858 --> 01:09:08,051 OK, thank you. 1525 01:09:08,092 --> 01:09:10,823 And the Tide that has the little bit of bleach in it? 1526 01:09:10,862 --> 01:09:12,886 - Mm-hmm? - I think that's great... 1527 01:09:12,930 --> 01:09:14,541 because it doesn't create those white spots... 1528 01:09:14,565 --> 01:09:17,328 that some of your competitors create in their products. 1529 01:09:17,367 --> 01:09:19,392 Another technology we've put into Tide... 1530 01:09:19,435 --> 01:09:23,268 that is very effective is color guard. 1531 01:09:23,305 --> 01:09:25,240 So that when you wash your dark colors... 1532 01:09:25,275 --> 01:09:26,605 they're not gonna fade. 1533 01:09:26,642 --> 01:09:28,007 See, I'm the kind of guy... 1534 01:09:28,043 --> 01:09:29,554 My wife complains about this all the time... 1535 01:09:29,578 --> 01:09:31,841 I refuse to separate whites from colors. 1536 01:09:31,879 --> 01:09:33,813 I just throw them all in at once. 1537 01:09:33,848 --> 01:09:35,406 You can do that with Tide. 1538 01:09:35,449 --> 01:09:37,143 It will not bleed the color of the shirt. 1539 01:09:37,184 --> 01:09:38,446 And she's going, "No, no." 1540 01:09:38,485 --> 01:09:40,097 She'll never let me put her underwear in there. 1541 01:09:40,121 --> 01:09:42,782 Thank you very much. We appreciate it. 1542 01:09:42,823 --> 01:09:46,781 Thank you. Take care. That's my pen right there. 1543 01:09:50,496 --> 01:09:53,431 BBC, the Broadbank Burbcasting Corporation. 1544 01:09:53,465 --> 01:09:54,989 In the book... 1545 01:09:55,034 --> 01:09:57,433 you talk about what America needs is a makeover. 1546 01:09:57,468 --> 01:10:00,061 When I first saw this, I'll be honest, Michael... 1547 01:10:00,103 --> 01:10:04,164 I thought, is this right to change things in America? 1548 01:10:04,208 --> 01:10:05,607 I mean, we've been... 1549 01:10:05,642 --> 01:10:08,839 So long, we've had the same things. 1550 01:10:08,879 --> 01:10:10,140 We've looked up to the flag. 1551 01:10:10,179 --> 01:10:12,272 We've looked up to the symbols of this country. 1552 01:10:12,315 --> 01:10:14,559 And you want to change them. Then I got into it a little bit, 1553 01:10:14,583 --> 01:10:17,143 and I do have to admit you do make a lot of sense. 1554 01:10:17,185 --> 01:10:19,380 I'm just trying to say... 1555 01:10:19,421 --> 01:10:21,398 "There's nothing wrong with a little P.R. move here... 1556 01:10:21,422 --> 01:10:23,323 "to improve our image." 1557 01:10:23,358 --> 01:10:26,383 First of all, the name. The name is so boring. 1558 01:10:26,427 --> 01:10:29,554 It's just a description. The United States of America. 1559 01:10:29,596 --> 01:10:31,106 That's not what they did over in England. 1560 01:10:31,130 --> 01:10:33,030 They called themselves Great Britain. 1561 01:10:33,066 --> 01:10:35,159 - They did. - Great Britain, you know? 1562 01:10:35,201 --> 01:10:37,066 Boy, that does have a better feel to it. 1563 01:10:37,103 --> 01:10:39,036 Considering there's nothing great about them. 1564 01:10:39,071 --> 01:10:42,562 It's the marketing. Get the word "great" in there. 1565 01:10:42,607 --> 01:10:45,371 You put that on a battleship, it's coming into harbor... 1566 01:10:45,409 --> 01:10:48,003 the natives are going, "Whoa, run away!" 1567 01:10:48,045 --> 01:10:52,505 "Great." United Kingdom. United Kingdom. 1568 01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:56,007 It's not a kingdom. It's a dinky little island. 1569 01:10:56,052 --> 01:10:57,643 "The United States," what are we? 1570 01:10:57,686 --> 01:10:59,231 It would be like if the British called themselves... 1571 01:10:59,255 --> 01:11:02,088 a bunch of little districts on an island. 1572 01:11:02,124 --> 01:11:06,652 We're the United States of America, you know? 1573 01:11:06,695 --> 01:11:08,685 - You're right. - Let's knock that off. 1574 01:11:08,730 --> 01:11:10,664 What would we change it to? 1575 01:11:10,698 --> 01:11:12,892 - The Big One. - The Big One? 1576 01:11:12,933 --> 01:11:14,423 Somebody says, "Where you from?" 1577 01:11:14,468 --> 01:11:15,627 "I'm from The Big One." 1578 01:11:15,668 --> 01:11:17,728 And if they don't like it, "Bite the Big One." 1579 01:11:17,771 --> 01:11:19,716 And a new slogan, too, instead of "In God We Trust." 1580 01:11:19,740 --> 01:11:23,004 Let's not say that anymore. Let's change our new slogan to... 1581 01:11:23,042 --> 01:11:25,840 - "Until We Measure Up to God." - Exactly. Exactly. 1582 01:11:25,878 --> 01:11:29,472 So a new slogan I'm suggesting... "In By Ten, Out By Two." 1583 01:11:31,215 --> 01:11:33,151 That's pretty good, I guess. Any others? 1584 01:11:33,185 --> 01:11:36,847 "America... A really good place for a thick, juicy steak." 1585 01:11:36,888 --> 01:11:38,616 That doesn't get it a second time around. 1586 01:11:38,656 --> 01:11:39,816 I like this, too. 1587 01:11:39,857 --> 01:11:42,324 "Our citizens are armed, and they like to shoot." 1588 01:11:42,358 --> 01:11:44,019 Man, it's hard to beat that. 1589 01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:46,688 Then you don't need to spend so much on defense... 1590 01:11:46,729 --> 01:11:48,720 if you just have a good slogan that scares people. 1591 01:11:48,765 --> 01:11:50,562 And a new symbol for the country. 1592 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,260 You talked about a new symbol. 1593 01:11:52,301 --> 01:11:54,997 It was your daughter that liked the idea of... 1594 01:11:55,037 --> 01:11:57,061 We have the bald eagle, right? 1595 01:11:57,104 --> 01:11:58,571 We have the bald eagle now. 1596 01:11:58,606 --> 01:12:00,182 We're going, "Hey, have you ever seen a bald eagle?" 1597 01:12:00,206 --> 01:12:02,971 - I've never seen a bald eagle. - Not in person. 1598 01:12:03,010 --> 01:12:05,240 My daughter says, "Hey, how about a bald man?" 1599 01:12:05,279 --> 01:12:06,939 I've seen a lot of them, you know? 1600 01:12:06,980 --> 01:12:09,244 A bald man... that's a symbol for America. 1601 01:12:09,282 --> 01:12:11,476 Everybody wants to change the national anthem. 1602 01:12:11,517 --> 01:12:12,961 I've got an idea. Very simple. Very simple. 1603 01:12:12,985 --> 01:12:14,395 We all know it. We sing it at the ball game. 1604 01:12:14,419 --> 01:12:17,322 "We will, we will rock you." 1605 01:12:17,357 --> 01:12:19,449 You stand up, hand over your heart. 1606 01:12:19,491 --> 01:12:23,551 ♪ We will, we will rock you ♪ 1607 01:12:23,594 --> 01:12:28,257 ♪ We will, we will rock you ♪ 1608 01:12:28,298 --> 01:12:30,163 Thank you! 1609 01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,636 ♪ We will, we will rock you ♪ 1610 01:12:35,172 --> 01:12:37,230 ♪ We will, we will rock you ♪ 1611 01:12:37,273 --> 01:12:39,900 Attention, Kmart shoppers: 1612 01:12:39,941 --> 01:12:42,671 This is a greenlight special at General Motors. 1613 01:12:42,711 --> 01:12:45,909 It looks like your robot just went on strike. 1614 01:12:45,948 --> 01:12:48,609 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Raise the cameras. 1615 01:12:48,650 --> 01:12:50,617 You got some Lemon Pledge... 1616 01:12:50,651 --> 01:12:52,141 I can try and take care of the table. 1617 01:12:54,387 --> 01:12:56,412 Whoa. Not bad. 1618 01:12:57,956 --> 01:12:59,756 Do you remember your first vote, Mr. Williams? 1619 01:12:59,792 --> 01:13:03,819 It was 1984. Ronald Reagan. 1620 01:13:03,863 --> 01:13:05,625 It's a proud moment. 1621 01:13:05,664 --> 01:13:07,097 And you've never used any drugs? 1622 01:13:08,467 --> 01:13:10,627 I think we should call Apple right now... 1623 01:13:10,668 --> 01:13:12,498 so you could do a commercial for them. 1624 01:13:12,535 --> 01:13:14,834 "I drove over my laptop." 1625 01:13:17,641 --> 01:13:21,076 Oh, my God, General Motors! Sell, sell! 1626 01:13:21,111 --> 01:13:23,079 It's going up just as you're talking here. 1627 01:13:30,353 --> 01:13:32,843 Thank you. 1628 01:13:32,888 --> 01:13:34,582 Thank you. 1629 01:14:26,233 --> 01:14:28,292 No wonder no one votes. 1630 01:14:28,335 --> 01:14:30,462 The richest one percent got two political parties. 1631 01:14:30,504 --> 01:14:31,801 There they are. 1632 01:14:31,839 --> 01:14:34,204 And we got none. That doesn't seem fair. 1633 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,265 We need our... Hey, wait. We need our own party. 1634 01:14:38,812 --> 01:14:40,802 And get to the bottom of this truth! 1635 01:14:40,846 --> 01:14:42,404 Congressman Bob Dornan... 1636 01:14:42,448 --> 01:14:44,575 who was defeated in his reelection bid last week... 1637 01:14:44,616 --> 01:14:46,243 has filed charges claiming... 1638 01:14:46,285 --> 01:14:49,253 illegal Mexicans voted for his opponent, Loretta Sanchez. 1639 01:14:49,287 --> 01:14:51,311 Today, filmmaker Michael Moore... 1640 01:14:51,354 --> 01:14:53,823 visited the offices of the Orange Country registrar... 1641 01:14:53,858 --> 01:14:57,293 and citing California Election Code Section 2208... 1642 01:14:57,327 --> 01:14:58,520 he filed charges claiming... 1643 01:14:58,561 --> 01:15:00,281 the people who voted for Dornan were insane. 1644 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,798 Viva Permanente! 1645 01:15:09,170 --> 01:15:10,967 To see the Kaiser! 1646 01:15:11,005 --> 01:15:15,032 We want to see the Kaiser! We want to see the Kaiser! 1647 01:15:23,683 --> 01:15:25,742 Hello. 1648 01:15:35,794 --> 01:15:37,591 I'm on a campaign, actually... 1649 01:15:37,629 --> 01:15:39,960 to get Jesse Helms put in prison this year. 1650 01:15:42,098 --> 01:15:46,159 Will you join me in this effort? 1651 01:15:47,704 --> 01:15:49,933 Thank you very much for your support. Thank you. 1652 01:15:49,972 --> 01:15:51,338 I appreciate it so much. 1653 01:15:51,374 --> 01:15:52,671 - You OK? - I hope so. 1654 01:16:00,815 --> 01:16:04,079 After visiting 47 cities in 50 days... 1655 01:16:04,117 --> 01:16:06,086 I was on my way to Portland, Oregon... 1656 01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,587 my last stop and the home of Nike... 1657 01:16:08,622 --> 01:16:11,886 the largest shoe manufacturer in the world. 1658 01:16:11,924 --> 01:16:15,223 Nike chairman Phil Knight was named in my book... 1659 01:16:15,261 --> 01:16:18,753 as one of my favorite corporate crooks. 1660 01:16:18,797 --> 01:16:22,197 Nike makes most of their shoes in Indonesia... 1661 01:16:22,233 --> 01:16:23,860 using teenage girls... 1662 01:16:23,902 --> 01:16:26,870 and paying them less than 40 cents an hour. 1663 01:16:26,904 --> 01:16:28,371 The company has the backing... 1664 01:16:28,405 --> 01:16:31,203 of Indonesia's brutal military regime... 1665 01:16:31,241 --> 01:16:33,505 which has committed genocide in East Timor. 1666 01:16:33,544 --> 01:16:35,671 Nike makes no shoes in America. 1667 01:16:35,712 --> 01:16:37,474 Shame on you! Shame on you! 1668 01:16:37,513 --> 01:16:40,379 When I arrived in Portland... 1669 01:16:40,415 --> 01:16:42,883 I found the local citizens upset about the situation. 1670 01:16:42,918 --> 01:16:45,819 Phil Knight can kiss my butt! 1671 01:16:45,854 --> 01:16:50,553 Uh-oh, Nike has sent in the Portland police. 1672 01:16:50,592 --> 01:16:53,651 Officer, I wear a size 11E. Thank you. 1673 01:16:55,995 --> 01:16:57,257 Michael Moore's my guest... 1674 01:16:57,297 --> 01:16:59,492 and his new book is "Downsize This!" 1675 01:16:59,532 --> 01:17:03,332 And let's go to Keith in... Keith in Nike. 1676 01:17:03,369 --> 01:17:06,030 - Who's this? Keith Peters? - That's me. 1677 01:17:06,071 --> 01:17:08,198 - Do you work for Nike, Keith? - Yeah. 1678 01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:09,516 OK. What's your question for Michael? 1679 01:17:09,540 --> 01:17:11,440 Well, you know, I'm a big fan of Michael. 1680 01:17:11,475 --> 01:17:14,137 I think the movie was great, and he spent a lot of time... 1681 01:17:14,178 --> 01:17:16,840 walking around Michigan looking for Roger... 1682 01:17:16,881 --> 01:17:18,143 and I say, "Yeah, come on out." 1683 01:17:18,182 --> 01:17:19,342 - Really? - Yeah. 1684 01:17:19,383 --> 01:17:20,940 - Is Phil there? - Yeah. 1685 01:17:20,984 --> 01:17:22,395 - And he wants to see Michael? - Yeah. 1686 01:17:22,419 --> 01:17:25,251 Whoa. Are you serious? Is this a prank call? 1687 01:17:25,287 --> 01:17:27,914 Come on out. We'll talk whatever you want to. 1688 01:17:27,956 --> 01:17:29,424 Thank you for the offer. 1689 01:17:29,458 --> 01:17:32,154 I couldn't believe the chairman of Nike... 1690 01:17:32,194 --> 01:17:33,752 was granting me a visit. 1691 01:17:33,796 --> 01:17:36,229 I was met at the door by P.R. Director Keith Peters... 1692 01:17:36,264 --> 01:17:38,459 who warned me that Phil Knight's wife... 1693 01:17:38,499 --> 01:17:40,090 had given Phil my book... 1694 01:17:40,133 --> 01:17:42,259 as her wedding anniversary present to him... 1695 01:17:42,301 --> 01:17:44,498 with his face circled. 1696 01:17:44,539 --> 01:17:46,369 This was not the way I wanted to meet... 1697 01:17:46,406 --> 01:17:48,033 the first CEO willing to talk to me. 1698 01:17:48,075 --> 01:17:49,701 - Hey. How you doing? - Good. 1699 01:17:49,742 --> 01:17:52,677 Thanks for having me in here. I appreciate it. 1700 01:17:52,712 --> 01:17:54,269 I got a little gift for you. 1701 01:17:54,312 --> 01:17:56,712 I always come bearing gifts whenever I get to meet a CEO... 1702 01:17:56,748 --> 01:17:58,025 which I'll tell you isn't that often. 1703 01:17:58,049 --> 01:17:59,695 Then you don't have to take too many gifts. 1704 01:17:59,719 --> 01:18:01,845 No. This is a good one. You'll like this one. 1705 01:18:01,886 --> 01:18:04,547 I've got here two tickets... 1706 01:18:04,588 --> 01:18:06,419 one in my name and one in your name... 1707 01:18:06,457 --> 01:18:09,186 for you and I to go to Indonesia together. 1708 01:18:09,225 --> 01:18:12,557 And you show me those factories, you explain this to me... 1709 01:18:12,594 --> 01:18:14,029 What's the date on those tickets? 1710 01:18:14,064 --> 01:18:17,157 - Sunday. - Oh, no, not a chance. 1711 01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:18,565 - No? - No. 1712 01:18:18,601 --> 01:18:21,000 But they're transferable. I can change it to another day. 1713 01:18:21,036 --> 01:18:22,332 No, and I'll tell you... 1714 01:18:22,370 --> 01:18:23,680 Seriously. Look at this. Michael Moore... 1715 01:18:23,704 --> 01:18:25,115 I got it right here in your name here... 1716 01:18:25,139 --> 01:18:28,837 And Phil Knight. Look at this. 1717 01:18:28,877 --> 01:18:30,537 You and me on Singapore Airlines. 1718 01:18:30,578 --> 01:18:32,978 - No, no. I'm not going. - It's a good airline. 1719 01:18:33,014 --> 01:18:34,624 It's a great airline. Here, sit back down. 1720 01:18:34,648 --> 01:18:37,309 - We gotta negotiate this deal. - Have you been there? 1721 01:18:37,349 --> 01:18:39,943 - I've never been to Indonesia. - Oh, you've gotta go. 1722 01:18:39,985 --> 01:18:42,819 I can't go between now and the rest of this year. 1723 01:18:42,856 --> 01:18:44,599 Your wife. Remember the wife that gave you the book? 1724 01:18:44,623 --> 01:18:46,056 My wife may make me go. 1725 01:18:46,091 --> 01:18:47,435 That's why I won't tell her about it. 1726 01:18:47,459 --> 01:18:50,359 Tell her Michael Moore came here with a free ticket. 1727 01:18:50,395 --> 01:18:53,921 - This is a free ticket, Phil! - Another anniversary present. 1728 01:18:53,964 --> 01:18:57,263 - A free ticket to Indonesia. - I understand that. 1729 01:18:57,302 --> 01:19:00,270 Basically, you've got, you know... 1730 01:19:00,304 --> 01:19:04,000 an underdeveloped country with a repressive regime. 1731 01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,473 And the way they pull themselves out of this thing... 1732 01:19:06,508 --> 01:19:08,499 is by having... trade helps them. 1733 01:19:08,543 --> 01:19:11,535 That's a separate discussion from an American company... 1734 01:19:11,579 --> 01:19:15,447 going into Indonesia and working with a regime... 1735 01:19:15,483 --> 01:19:18,679 that killed 200,000 people. 1736 01:19:18,719 --> 01:19:22,085 That's almost a form of genocide. 1737 01:19:22,121 --> 01:19:24,749 I know that that's got to bother you. 1738 01:19:24,791 --> 01:19:26,053 I don't know you personally... 1739 01:19:26,092 --> 01:19:28,822 but I know you have a conscience. 1740 01:19:30,930 --> 01:19:35,888 I certainly wouldn't approve of any of that sort of thing. 1741 01:19:35,933 --> 01:19:37,594 But, basically... I mean... 1742 01:19:37,635 --> 01:19:39,865 how many people were killed in The Cultural Revolution? 1743 01:19:39,904 --> 01:19:41,394 How much is enough? 1744 01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,033 How much is enough if you are a billionaire? 1745 01:19:44,075 --> 01:19:45,686 Wouldn't it be OK to be just a half a billionaire? 1746 01:19:45,710 --> 01:19:47,768 Wouldn't it be OK for your company... 1747 01:19:47,811 --> 01:19:49,472 to make a little less money... 1748 01:19:49,512 --> 01:19:52,071 if it meant providing some jobs here in this country? 1749 01:19:52,114 --> 01:19:54,981 - No, but I mean... - Just think about this. 1750 01:19:55,017 --> 01:19:57,295 I've thought about it a lot, I'll give you the answer to it. 1751 01:19:57,319 --> 01:19:59,617 Basically, what drives me is not money anymore. 1752 01:19:59,655 --> 01:20:00,848 Right. I wouldn't think so. 1753 01:20:00,888 --> 01:20:02,651 And basically, what I want to do... 1754 01:20:02,690 --> 01:20:05,590 before I go to that great shoe factory in the sky... 1755 01:20:05,625 --> 01:20:07,924 is make this as good a company as I can make it. 1756 01:20:07,962 --> 01:20:11,021 I simply have a basic belief, having been burned on it once... 1757 01:20:11,064 --> 01:20:12,793 and really believing this very strongly... 1758 01:20:12,833 --> 01:20:14,824 that Americans do not want to make shoes. 1759 01:20:14,868 --> 01:20:16,494 They don't want to make shoes. 1760 01:20:16,535 --> 01:20:17,763 That's wrong. You are wrong. 1761 01:20:17,803 --> 01:20:22,069 If I could find 500 people in Flint, Michigan... 1762 01:20:22,108 --> 01:20:24,166 who want to make shoes, will you open the factory? 1763 01:20:24,209 --> 01:20:25,386 I didn't say they didn't want to make shoes. 1764 01:20:25,410 --> 01:20:27,071 I think they don't want those jobs. 1765 01:20:27,112 --> 01:20:29,307 No, if they do... if they will work those jobs... 1766 01:20:29,347 --> 01:20:30,904 will you come to Flint? 1767 01:20:32,683 --> 01:20:35,310 You'll have to convince me that they want to make shoes... 1768 01:20:35,351 --> 01:20:37,819 and can do so reasonably economically. 1769 01:20:37,854 --> 01:20:39,565 Now, they won't work for five dollars a day. 1770 01:20:39,589 --> 01:20:40,920 I understand that. 1771 01:20:40,956 --> 01:20:44,586 - But reasonably economically... - I will explore it. 1772 01:20:44,626 --> 01:20:45,820 You will do that? 1773 01:20:45,861 --> 01:20:47,238 I didn't say I'd come. I said I'll explore it. 1774 01:20:47,262 --> 01:20:48,728 You'll explore it. Seriously, now? 1775 01:20:48,763 --> 01:20:51,062 - With sincerity. - I'll shake your hand for that. 1776 01:20:51,099 --> 01:20:53,362 - All right. Thank you. - All right. 1777 01:20:53,401 --> 01:20:55,800 Filmmaker Michael Moore is urging... 1778 01:20:55,835 --> 01:20:57,827 the world's largest athletic shoe company... 1779 01:20:57,872 --> 01:21:00,237 to open a factory, a factory in Flint. 1780 01:21:00,273 --> 01:21:02,138 Michael Moore chastised... 1781 01:21:02,175 --> 01:21:04,005 the chairman of Nike, Philip Knight... 1782 01:21:04,042 --> 01:21:05,442 criticizing the company... 1783 01:21:05,478 --> 01:21:07,877 for making most of its shoes in Indonesia. 1784 01:21:07,913 --> 01:21:11,314 So Moore has come home to convince Knight. 1785 01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:14,375 He's staging an event tomorrow in front of City Hall. 1786 01:21:14,419 --> 01:21:16,649 So tomorrow at noon, I want to prove him wrong. 1787 01:21:16,687 --> 01:21:20,145 I want the people of Flint who would like to work... 1788 01:21:20,191 --> 01:21:21,748 who would like to have a job at Nike... 1789 01:21:21,792 --> 01:21:23,503 to come here and stand in front of City Hall. 1790 01:21:23,527 --> 01:21:25,790 I'll have my film crew here. Dress warm. 1791 01:21:25,828 --> 01:21:29,059 And we'll make a video message to him... 1792 01:21:29,098 --> 01:21:31,498 and show him that the people of Flint... 1793 01:21:31,534 --> 01:21:34,298 if they had an opportunity to work, would certainly work. 1794 01:21:34,336 --> 01:21:40,364 We need jobs! We need jobs! We need jobs! We need jobs! 1795 01:21:40,407 --> 01:21:43,501 Flint needs jobs! Flint needs jobs! 1796 01:21:43,544 --> 01:21:46,740 Flint needs jobs! Flint needs jobs! 1797 01:21:46,779 --> 01:21:49,806 Flint needs jobs! Flint needs jobs! 1798 01:21:49,850 --> 01:21:52,579 Mr. Knight, I'm 37 years old. 1799 01:21:52,618 --> 01:21:54,312 For 25 years, I've been wearing Nike. 1800 01:21:54,352 --> 01:21:55,980 If Nike means that much to me... 1801 01:21:56,022 --> 01:21:57,332 Flint should mean that much to you. 1802 01:21:57,356 --> 01:22:00,290 If you don't make 'em here, we shouldn't buy 'em. 1803 01:22:00,325 --> 01:22:02,156 There's a lot of people in Flint... 1804 01:22:02,194 --> 01:22:04,560 and all over Michigan that need jobs... 1805 01:22:04,596 --> 01:22:08,292 but especially in Flint, and I'm one of those people. 1806 01:22:08,332 --> 01:22:10,356 If I can buy my son these Air Jordans... 1807 01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:11,561 and he can wear 'em... 1808 01:22:11,602 --> 01:22:13,728 you best believe I will help you make 'em. 1809 01:22:13,770 --> 01:22:15,739 Come to Flint. 1810 01:22:15,773 --> 01:22:17,831 All right! 1811 01:22:17,874 --> 01:22:19,432 We're hard workers in this area. 1812 01:22:19,475 --> 01:22:21,136 We've been working a long time. 1813 01:22:21,176 --> 01:22:22,643 Five generations... 1814 01:22:22,678 --> 01:22:24,388 four generations of hard workers puttin' cars together. 1815 01:22:24,412 --> 01:22:26,278 We can put together your tennis shoe. 1816 01:22:26,315 --> 01:22:28,475 Please give us a chance. Thank you. 1817 01:22:29,550 --> 01:22:31,950 - Very impressive. - So what do you think? 1818 01:22:31,986 --> 01:22:35,045 I think that a lot of people without jobs will take any job, 1819 01:22:35,088 --> 01:22:37,352 But that given choice... 1820 01:22:37,390 --> 01:22:39,234 Americans really don't want to work in shoe factories. 1821 01:22:39,258 --> 01:22:40,453 I still believe that. 1822 01:22:40,494 --> 01:22:41,670 But I just showed you these people here. 1823 01:22:41,694 --> 01:22:43,218 Yeah, they said that. 1824 01:22:43,262 --> 01:22:46,561 I think any unemployed person will say "I would like any job." 1825 01:22:46,599 --> 01:22:50,432 Basically, Flint isn't on our radar screen right now... 1826 01:22:50,468 --> 01:22:54,426 as far as a warehouse or a sales office. 1827 01:22:54,471 --> 01:22:56,439 Would you do it as a personal favor to me? 1828 01:22:56,473 --> 01:22:57,872 No. 1829 01:22:57,908 --> 01:23:00,934 Phil swore he would never build a factory in Flint. 1830 01:23:00,978 --> 01:23:03,445 But he did present me with the only American-made... 1831 01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,743 pair of Nike shoes, built just for me. 1832 01:23:05,781 --> 01:23:07,577 I'll tell you what... How about this? 1833 01:23:07,616 --> 01:23:09,516 Why don't you and I have a race? 1834 01:23:09,551 --> 01:23:11,951 We're not gonna have a race. That was suggested already. 1835 01:23:11,987 --> 01:23:13,250 No, how about this? 1836 01:23:13,289 --> 01:23:15,153 We'll do a 100-yard dash, you and me, right? 1837 01:23:15,190 --> 01:23:19,023 And if you win, I'll always wear these Nikes... 1838 01:23:19,059 --> 01:23:21,822 wherever I go, on every TV show, whatever. 1839 01:23:21,861 --> 01:23:24,329 If I win, you have to build the shoe factory... 1840 01:23:24,364 --> 01:23:26,093 in Flint, Michigan. 1841 01:23:26,132 --> 01:23:27,464 No, there's no race. 1842 01:23:27,501 --> 01:23:28,745 How about arm wrestling? Come on. 1843 01:23:28,769 --> 01:23:30,963 I'm not gonna arm wrestle. You would win that one. 1844 01:23:31,004 --> 01:23:34,461 - No, no. Don't assume that. - I'm not gonna arm wrestle you. 1845 01:23:34,506 --> 01:23:38,134 If you win, I'll wear those Nike shoes forever. 1846 01:23:38,175 --> 01:23:40,609 But if I win, we gotta make some jobs in Flint. 1847 01:23:40,645 --> 01:23:42,876 - We're not arm wrestling. - Come on, Phil. 1848 01:23:42,915 --> 01:23:45,075 I issued Phil one last challenge... 1849 01:23:45,116 --> 01:23:47,675 to contribute money to the schools of Flint. 1850 01:23:47,717 --> 01:23:49,562 It's very unlikely that I would make a contribution... 1851 01:23:49,586 --> 01:23:50,984 to the Flint schools in the future. 1852 01:23:51,020 --> 01:23:54,217 If I made the contribution, would you match me? 1853 01:23:54,256 --> 01:23:56,782 Um... 1854 01:23:56,826 --> 01:24:00,226 I'll contribute $10,000 to do that... 1855 01:24:00,262 --> 01:24:02,039 for the Flint school system if you'll do that. 1856 01:24:02,063 --> 01:24:04,327 - I will match you. - You'll match me. 1857 01:24:04,365 --> 01:24:06,457 I'll shake your hand for that. Thank you very much. 1858 01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:07,967 - Yes, you're welcome. - All right. 1859 01:24:08,001 --> 01:24:12,063 - Jeez, ten grand. - You're the one... 1860 01:24:12,106 --> 01:24:13,732 Your stock went up $3 billion last year. 1861 01:24:13,774 --> 01:24:15,469 I got ten grand out of you. 1862 01:24:15,509 --> 01:24:17,032 Hey, it's something, right? 1863 01:24:17,076 --> 01:24:19,010 And I know what most of you are thinking... 1864 01:24:19,045 --> 01:24:21,774 "I sure would've liked to have seen that footrace." 1865 01:24:21,813 --> 01:24:24,578 Well, maybe next movie. 1866 01:24:24,717 --> 01:24:28,345 Meanwhile, back in my neck of the woods in the Midwest... 1867 01:24:28,386 --> 01:24:30,013 there was some pretty good news. 1868 01:24:30,055 --> 01:24:31,988 The people at the Borders in Des Moines... 1869 01:24:32,022 --> 01:24:33,819 had voted in the union. 1870 01:24:33,857 --> 01:24:35,323 Yes! Yes! 1871 01:24:38,795 --> 01:24:41,855 It's sort of stunning after you do something for so long. 1872 01:24:41,898 --> 01:24:43,991 It's sort of hard... 1873 01:24:44,033 --> 01:24:47,729 to all of a sudden start thinking any other way. 1874 01:24:47,769 --> 01:24:50,328 But tomorrow morning... 1875 01:24:50,371 --> 01:24:52,771 We'll probably all sleep the sleep of the dead tonight. 1876 01:24:52,807 --> 01:24:55,299 That'll be great. 1877 01:24:55,344 --> 01:24:57,834 And in suburban Philadelphia... 1878 01:24:57,878 --> 01:24:59,038 We just got the word. 1879 01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:00,842 The final vote was 26-20. We got a union. 1880 01:25:05,584 --> 01:25:09,043 There you go. Swell my chest to full size. 1881 01:25:09,089 --> 01:25:12,080 I'm gonna run over to ACME and let someone over there know. 1882 01:25:12,124 --> 01:25:13,284 OK. 1883 01:25:13,325 --> 01:25:16,088 The Borders workers were so happy... 1884 01:25:16,127 --> 01:25:18,321 their first thought was to run across the street... 1885 01:25:18,362 --> 01:25:21,024 to tell the grocery store baggers the good news. 1886 01:25:21,064 --> 01:25:22,895 It kind of gave me a good feeling... 1887 01:25:22,933 --> 01:25:25,368 them realizing everyone was sort of in the same boat... 1888 01:25:25,403 --> 01:25:27,267 and if things are gonna get better... 1889 01:25:27,304 --> 01:25:28,464 it's gonna happen right here. 1890 01:25:28,505 --> 01:25:31,769 These companies... big business, right? 1891 01:25:31,807 --> 01:25:34,468 They had us talking that talk for so long... 1892 01:25:34,509 --> 01:25:37,137 free enterprise, free market, capitalism... 1893 01:25:37,178 --> 01:25:39,704 when they were the last ones to believe in it. 1894 01:25:39,749 --> 01:25:41,648 It's all so weird, isn't it? 1895 01:25:41,683 --> 01:25:45,778 Now we're at a point in our history... 1896 01:25:45,819 --> 01:25:51,779 where we have one candidate, one party, one company. 1897 01:25:53,226 --> 01:25:54,784 I like to say... 1898 01:25:54,827 --> 01:25:57,227 one evil empire down, one to go. 1899 01:25:58,630 --> 01:26:02,087 ♪ I've traveled every road in this here land ♪ 1900 01:26:02,133 --> 01:26:06,399 ♪ I've been everywhere, man I've been everywhere, man ♪ 1901 01:26:06,437 --> 01:26:08,599 ♪ Across the deserts bare, man ♪ 1902 01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,539 ♪ I've breathed the mountain air, man ♪ 1903 01:26:10,574 --> 01:26:12,804 ♪ Of travel I've had my share, man ♪ 1904 01:26:12,843 --> 01:26:15,504 ♪ I've been everywhere ♪ 1905 01:26:15,545 --> 01:26:17,842 ♪ I've been to Reno, Chicago, Fargo, Minnesota ♪ 1906 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,440 ♪ Buffalo, Toronto, Winslow, Sarasota ♪ 1907 01:26:20,482 --> 01:26:22,450 ♪ Wichita, Tulsa, Ottawa, Oklahoma ♪ 1908 01:26:22,484 --> 01:26:23,928 Did you hear the story about last night... 1909 01:26:23,952 --> 01:26:27,853 Turn it off now. The story last night in the hotel? 1910 01:26:27,889 --> 01:26:29,754 About the naked man? 1911 01:26:29,791 --> 01:26:32,624 ♪ I've been everywhere, man I've been everywhere, man ♪ 1912 01:26:32,660 --> 01:26:36,254 I look out the peephole, and there is a stark naked man... 1913 01:26:36,296 --> 01:26:41,029 I mean, butt naked, nothing on, banging on my door. 1914 01:26:41,068 --> 01:26:44,503 And the first thought that goes through my head is... 1915 01:26:44,537 --> 01:26:47,062 "This is how it's all going to end." 1916 01:26:49,607 --> 01:26:54,169 General Motors has sent a naked man. 1917 01:26:54,212 --> 01:26:57,180 They don't even have the decency... 1918 01:26:57,214 --> 01:26:59,648 to send the assassin with clothes on. 1919 01:26:59,683 --> 01:27:01,241 ♪ I've been everywhere, man ♪ 1920 01:27:01,285 --> 01:27:02,980 ♪ Across the deserts bare, man ♪ 1921 01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:04,296 ♪ I've breathed the mountain air, man ♪ 1922 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:05,864 If 12-year-olds are working in these factories... 1923 01:27:05,888 --> 01:27:07,150 that's OK with you? 1924 01:27:07,190 --> 01:27:08,567 There are not 12-year-olds working in the factory. 1925 01:27:08,591 --> 01:27:10,957 - How old? - Minimum age is 14. 1926 01:27:10,993 --> 01:27:12,670 How about 14, then? Doesn't that bother you? 1927 01:27:12,694 --> 01:27:14,127 No. 1928 01:27:14,162 --> 01:27:16,140 ♪ Shefferville, Jacksonville Waterville, Costa Rica ♪ 1929 01:27:16,164 --> 01:27:17,756 ♪ Pittsfield, Springfield, Bakersfield ♪ 1930 01:27:17,799 --> 01:27:19,109 ♪ Shreveport, Hackensack, Cadillac ♪ 1931 01:27:19,133 --> 01:27:20,657 You should run for president. 1932 01:27:20,701 --> 01:27:22,600 It would send a message. 1933 01:27:22,635 --> 01:27:25,434 What would be the message? 1934 01:27:25,473 --> 01:27:28,873 "Eat out more often"? Jeez. 1935 01:27:28,908 --> 01:27:31,638 No. I'm a bad example. 1936 01:27:31,678 --> 01:27:32,855 ♪ I breathe the mountain air, man ♪ 1937 01:27:32,879 --> 01:27:34,402 ♪ Of travel I've had my share, man ♪ 1938 01:27:34,446 --> 01:27:38,576 I don't give a fuck about you, you, you, you, you. 1939 01:27:38,617 --> 01:27:41,210 ♪ I've been to Pittsburgh, Parkersburg, Gravellburg ♪ 1940 01:27:41,252 --> 01:27:42,810 ♪ Colorado, Ellensburg, Rexburg ♪ 1941 01:27:42,854 --> 01:27:44,431 ♪ Vicksburg, El Dorado, Larimore, Atmore ♪ 1942 01:27:44,455 --> 01:27:45,888 ♪ Haverstraw, Chattanika ♪ 1943 01:27:45,923 --> 01:27:48,720 You say, "the poor little Indonesian workers." 1944 01:27:48,759 --> 01:27:50,021 Come back in five years... 1945 01:27:50,060 --> 01:27:52,425 one of them will probably be your landlord. 1946 01:27:52,461 --> 01:27:54,521 What does that mean? 1947 01:27:54,564 --> 01:27:56,428 ♪ I've been everywhere, man ♪ 1948 01:27:56,465 --> 01:27:58,831 ♪ Across the deserts bare, man ♪ 1949 01:27:58,868 --> 01:28:00,802 ♪ I breathe the mountain air, man ♪ 1950 01:28:00,836 --> 01:28:02,530 ♪ Of travel I've had my share, man ♪ 1951 01:28:02,570 --> 01:28:04,615 Yeah. You're pointing right to your uvula, basically. 1952 01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:06,902 Mm-hmm. I thought guys didn't have those. 1953 01:28:08,042 --> 01:28:10,737 ♪ I've been everywhere ♪ 1954 01:28:13,114 --> 01:28:15,411 No, I think you're wasting batteries, actually. 1955 01:28:15,449 --> 01:28:17,678 I mean, and David with his only one battery... 1956 01:28:17,717 --> 01:28:19,116 Brian, will you back off? 1957 01:28:19,152 --> 01:28:21,176 You seem really upset. 1958 01:28:21,219 --> 01:28:22,898 Well, I can't shoot. I don't have a battery. 1959 01:28:22,922 --> 01:28:27,222 Just relax. The batteries are charging upstairs. 1960 01:28:27,260 --> 01:28:30,194 So we need... What else do you need, a tripod? 1961 01:29:41,790 --> 01:29:43,451 I really want this to have a happy ending. 1962 01:29:43,491 --> 01:29:46,459 I really wanted you to, at the end of the film, say... 1963 01:29:46,493 --> 01:29:47,687 "I'm a little different... 1964 01:29:47,728 --> 01:29:49,538 "than what's going on here in corporate America. 1965 01:29:49,562 --> 01:29:52,760 "I care about the fact that Americans need jobs. 1966 01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:53,960 "I care about the fact... 1967 01:29:54,001 --> 01:29:56,525 "that Indonesians need a livable wage... 1968 01:29:56,569 --> 01:29:59,060 "and that kids shouldn't be working in these factories... 1969 01:29:59,105 --> 01:30:01,334 "and that I'm going to be a man of conscience... 1970 01:30:01,373 --> 01:30:03,067 "and a leader and do something about it." 1971 01:30:03,107 --> 01:30:06,304 That's the ending I wanted for this movie. 1972 01:30:06,344 --> 01:30:08,813 That's what I really was hoping for here. 1973 01:30:08,847 --> 01:30:11,781 And... 1974 01:30:13,784 --> 01:30:16,081 And I'm waiting for the ending of the film.