1 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,250 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 2 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,091 (TELEPHONE RINGING) 3 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,081 MAN: Hiya, Frank. How are the wife and kids? 4 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,288 You know, for you, I'm considering treasury bonds 5 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,170 and utility stocks. Smoke? 6 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,368 JARED: In the late '70s, banking wasn't a job 7 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,920 you went into to make large sums of money. 8 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,569 It was a fucking snooze. 9 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,449 (CHUCKLES) How about those Mets? 10 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,205 JARED: Filled with losers. Like selling insurance or 11 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,611 accounting. 12 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:42,841 And if banking was boring, 13 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,605 then the bond department at the bank was straight-up comatose. 14 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,805 We all know about bonds. 15 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,002 You give them to your snot-nosed kid when he turns 15. 16 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,082 Maybe when he's 30 he makes a hundred bucks. 17 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,446 Boring. 18 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,329 That is, until Lewis Ranieri came on the scene 19 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:56,447 at Salomon Brothers. 20 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,641 You might not know who he is, but he changed your life 21 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,486 more than Michael Jordan, the iPod and YouTube put together. 22 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,244 - (CHUCKLING) - (MAN LAUGHING) 23 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,084 All right, gentlemen! Let's get some money in here! 24 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,889 Let's make some money! What do you say? 25 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,684 (ALL CHEERING) 26 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,603 JARED: You see, Lewis didn't know it yet, 27 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,603 but he had already changed banking forever 28 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:20,886 with one simple idea. 29 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,368 The mortgage-backed security. Or private-label MBS. 30 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,043 LEWIS: You've got your average person's mortgage. 31 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,531 Fixed rate, 30 years. 32 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,968 Boring, safe, small payoff, right? But, 33 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,971 when you have thousands of them all bundled together, 34 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,567 suddenly the yield goes up but the risk is still small because, 35 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:42,681 well, they're mortgages! 36 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,171 And who the hell doesn't pay their mortgage? 37 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,607 What exactly is the credit rating on this bond? 38 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,524 This bond, gentlemen, is AAA-rated. 39 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,771 This is exactly what the Michigan state pension fund has been looking for. 40 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,730 I'll buy $20 million. 41 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:55,961 Oh, come on, live a little. 42 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,730 - $25 million. - (ALL LAUGHING) 43 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,770 JARED: The money came raining down, 44 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,365 and for the first time, 45 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,250 the banker went from the country club to the strip club. 46 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,083 Pretty soon, stocks and savings were almost inconsequential. 47 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,402 - They were doing $50, $100, $200 billion - Whoo! 48 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,131 In mortgage bonds and dozens of other securities a year. 49 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,441 (MEN CHEERING) 50 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,047 And America barely noticed as its number one industry 51 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,202 became boring old banking. 52 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,407 And then one day, almost 30 years later, in 2008, 53 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,364 it all came crashing down. 54 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,245 FEMALE REPORTER: March. Bear Stearns was in a death spiral 55 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,731 and the Fed brokered its sale. 56 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,849 BRIAN WILLIAMS: It's been called the worst financial crisis in modern times. 57 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,444 Certainly the largest financial disaster in decades in this country, 58 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,205 and perhaps the end of an era in American business. 59 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,927 JARED: In the end, Lewis Ranieri's mortgage-backed security 60 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,650 mutated into a monstrosity that 61 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,490 collapsed the whole world economy. 62 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,083 And none of the experts or leaders or talking heads 63 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,446 had a clue it was coming. 64 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,930 I'm guessing most of you still don't really know what happened. 65 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,205 Yeah, you got a soundbite you repeat so you don't sound dumb, but come on. 66 00:04:16,280 --> 00:04:18,726 Our financial institutions are strong. 67 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,446 But there were some who saw it coming. 68 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,568 While the whole world was having a big old party, 69 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,883 a few outsiders and weirdos saw what no one else could. 70 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,567 Not me. I'm not a weirdo. I'm pretty fucking cool. 71 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,642 But we'll meet again later. 72 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,925 These outsiders saw the giant lie at the heart of the economy. 73 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,411 And they saw it by doing something 74 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,290 the rest of the suckers never thought to do. 75 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,531 They looked. 76 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,802 (TAPPING) 77 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,721 MIKE: During the 1930s, 78 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,962 the housing market collapsed nationwide 79 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,482 by roughly 80%. 80 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,691 I mean, half of all mortgage debt was in default. 81 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,445 And, I mean, there were very 82 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,087 specific identifiers, extremely recognisable. 83 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,081 I mean, for instance, 84 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,403 (STAMMERING) one of the hallmarks of mania 85 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,091 is the rapid rise 86 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,208 in complexity and the rates of fraud. 87 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:35,762 And did you know that they're going up? 88 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,561 (CHEERLEADERS CHEERING) 89 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:40,601 MAN: Whoo! 90 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:46,885 (INAUDIBLE) 91 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,163 MIKE: I've always been 92 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,242 more comfortable alone. 93 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:00,566 (GIRLS TALKING INDISTINCTLY) 94 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:01,920 (GIRLS LAUGHING) 95 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:11,162 I believe maybe it's because of my glass eye. 96 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,371 I lost the eye in a childhood illness. 97 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,041 It separates me from people. 98 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,481 And did you know that they are going 99 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:30,686 up? 100 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,287 The highest fraud rates since the 1930s. 101 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,681 MIKE'S MOM: Hey, hey, it's okay. It's okay. 102 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,250 No, I didn't know that. 103 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:39,805 (MIKE STUTTERING) 104 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,488 (MIKE CHUCKLING) 105 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,170 In 1933, the fourth year of the Great Depression. 106 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:48,964 Let's wash it off and put it back in. 107 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,008 MIKE'S DAD: You were playing so great, son. 108 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,168 I even heard the coach say it. 109 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:56,601 Can we just go home? 110 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,810 MIKE: Most social interactions are awkward for me and for the person. 111 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,441 Even when I try to compliment someone, 112 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:05,851 it comes out wrong. 113 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,367 You have a very nice haircut. Did you do it yourself? 114 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,444 (CHUCKLES) What? 115 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,000 (STAMMERING) No. No, I... 116 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,365 (SPLASHING) 117 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,526 (TELEPHONE RINGING IN DISTANCE) 118 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,523 I'm sorry. I'm just... 119 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,045 (SIGHS) 120 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:32,361 I'm going on and on. 121 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,130 My wife told me I need to share more. 122 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:35,201 Mmm. 123 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,009 - That seems healthy. - Yeah. 124 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,081 Mmm-hmm. 125 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,601 (CHUCKLES) 126 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:49,601 Uh... 127 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,245 So do I get the job? 128 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,641 I really think I could help your fund. 129 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,405 Yeah. 130 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,130 Yeah, sure. Go on. 131 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:00,921 (BOTH CHUCKLING) 132 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,088 - You're... - David. Great. 133 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,003 I guess I'll go find a desk. 134 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,651 Is there anything you want me to work on for start... 135 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,161 Uh... 136 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,091 Yeah. 137 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,924 DAVID: You could let me know later. I could come back. 138 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,128 (STUTTERING) 139 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,162 Did you think it was strange when, um, 140 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,720 the tech bubble burst in 2001 141 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,610 and the housing market in San Jose, 142 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,887 the tech capital of the world, 143 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,209 went up? 144 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,281 Wasn't that strange? 145 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,361 DAVID: No. 146 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,011 No, it's housing. Housing is always stable. 147 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,121 Low risk. It's solid. 148 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,202 That's the idea, yeah. 149 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,009 I want you to get me 150 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,283 the top 20 selling mortgage bonds. 151 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,204 So you want to know what the top 20 selling mortgage bonds are? 152 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,604 No, no, no, I want to know what mortgages are in each one. 153 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,644 (CHUCKLING) Okay, aren't those mortgages made up of... 154 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,000 (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) 155 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,570 Wait, aren't those bonds made up 156 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,722 of thousands and thousands of mortgages? 157 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,211 Yeah. 158 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,805 DAVID: Right away, Dr. Burry. 159 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,169 I am a nice guy all day long. 160 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,925 Ask anyone, I'm a pleasure to work with. 161 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,164 But the second my son screws up, I am... 162 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,320 ...yelling at him just like my dad did to me. 163 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,050 I hear the words that are coming out of my mouth and... 164 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,451 (DOOR OPENS) 165 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,285 - MARK: Sorry I'm late! No cabs. - (DOOR CLOSES) 166 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:55,961 Oh... 167 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,010 So, get this. 168 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,286 I met with this retail banker yesterday. 169 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,921 I'm supposed to be getting him to invest in a fund, 170 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,371 but instead 171 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,330 I start grilling him about overdraft penalties 172 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,404 and how his bank will let a customer write 10-12 cheques 173 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:12,766 before they tell them they're overdrawn. 174 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,805 And this creep is making billions off screwing over people this way. 175 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,609 And I'm getting madder and madder. 176 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,122 And I ask him, I look him in the face and I say, 177 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,043 "How can you sleep at night 178 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,962 "knowing that you are ripping off working people?" 179 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,769 And you know what he did? He left. 180 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,571 He just walks out of the lunch, doesn't say a word. 181 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,641 What the fuck is that? 182 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,041 Who's fucked up in that scenario? Am I? 183 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,600 Or is this douchebag, who leaves me hanging? 184 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:39,966 Is he the fucked up one? 185 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,805 We have talked about this numerous times. 186 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,043 You can't come in late and hijack the entire session. 187 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,565 MARK: What do you mean? I didn't hijack the meeting. 188 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:48,721 Did I hijack the session? 189 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,006 Yeah. 190 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,601 What do you do? 191 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:52,926 MAN: I'm in commodities. 192 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,331 Good luck with that. 193 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,007 THERAPIST: Mark, I know you suffered a terrible loss. 194 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,411 Maybe you want to talk about that. 195 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,561 - I don't talk about that. - (CELL PHONE CHIMING) 196 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:02,091 Hold on. 197 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,491 Hold on... 198 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,410 Shit, I have to take this. Sorry. Sorry. 199 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,482 No... (SIGHS) I don't care, Porter. 200 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:11,164 This guy's whole business is built on ripping people off. 201 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:12,810 How long can that last? 202 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,446 Bye, everybody! 203 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,170 MIKE: (SOFTLY) 95... 204 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,568 That's 30 days late... Sixty days late... 205 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,526 They pay on time... 206 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:26,601 (TYPING ON KEYBOARD) 207 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,050 These FICO scores... 208 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:32,601 (SIGHS) 209 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:34,921 (TELEPHONE RINGING) 210 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,762 Late. And they caught up on their payments... 211 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,365 Another 30 days late... 212 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,728 LTV, 95... LTV, 90... They caught up on their payments... 213 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,290 Sixty days late? Jesus! 214 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,488 LTV, 110? I've never heard of that! 215 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:48,931 Thirty days late, rate adjusts... 216 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,166 In '07 rate adjusts... 217 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,480 In '06 rate adjusts... 218 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:54,847 95... 90... Jesus! 219 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,285 (WHIRRING) 220 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,210 (WHISPERING) He hasn't moved all day. 221 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,607 He does this every few days. 222 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:02,409 He hasn't spoken to me since he hired me. 223 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:03,891 MIKE: Maybe the LTV's at... High-risk, 224 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,201 interest-only... I never heard of that mortgage history, 225 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,045 I never heard of that... How? 226 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,406 Michael, how are you, guy? 227 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,529 MIKE: Lawrence, I found something really interesting. 228 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,523 Great, Michael. Whenever you find something interesting, 229 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:16,840 we all tend to make money. 230 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,285 What stock are you valuing? 231 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:19,731 No, no, no, no. No stocks. 232 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,888 I want to short the housing market. 233 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,247 (BRUSHING) 234 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,005 Really? But the housing market is rock solid. 235 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,885 Greenspan just said 236 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,531 bubbles are regional, defaults are rare. 237 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,768 Tell them I'll be there in a minute. 238 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,649 - Say again? - Look, look... 239 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,609 (MUFFLED) Greenspan's wrong. 240 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:40,048 I don't think you mean to do this, but sometimes you sound very 241 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,441 dismissive and superior. 242 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:43,681 It's a fact. Greenspan's wrong. 243 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,081 (MUFFLED) I don't know how else you want me to say... 244 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,611 Look, Michael. 245 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:49,284 Metro Capital backed you four years ago 246 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,169 when you were a doctor with a 247 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,561 dinky webpage and some inheritance money. 248 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:54,641 We've all done very well. 249 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:55,846 Why don't you just stick with stocks? 250 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,088 Look. You know me. I, I, I... 251 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,926 I look for value wherever it can be found. 252 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,126 And the fact is 253 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,363 that these mortgage-backed securities are filled 254 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,927 with extremely risky subprime adjustable-rate loans. 255 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,526 And when the majority of the adjustable rates 256 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,887 kick in, in '07, 257 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,161 they will begin to fail. 258 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,608 And if they fail above 15%, the whole bond is worthless. 259 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:21,842 Michael, just take a beat. 260 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,126 We'll talk about this later, okay? 261 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,283 Lawrence, please, don't patronise me. Listen... 262 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,805 JARED: Mortgage-backed securities. 263 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,211 It, it, it... 264 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,129 - Subprime loans. Tranches. - (QUACKING) 265 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,850 It's pretty confusing, right? 266 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,571 Does it make you feel bored? Or stupid? 267 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,961 Well, it's supposed to. 268 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,610 Wall Street loves to use confusing terms 269 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:42,365 to make you think only they can do what they do. 270 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:43,926 Or, even better, 271 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,367 for you to just leave them the fuck alone. 272 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,408 So here's Margot Robbie in a bubble bath to explain. 273 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,561 (POPS) 274 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:52,684 Basically, Lewis Ranieri's mortgage bonds 275 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,047 were amazingly profitable for the big banks. 276 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,091 They made billions and billions on their 2% fee 277 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,401 they got for selling each of these bonds. 278 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,244 But then they started running out of mortgages 279 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:04,885 to put in them. 280 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,645 After all, there are only so many homes 281 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,520 and so many people with good enough jobs to buy them, right? 282 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,682 So the banks started filling these bonds 283 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,888 with riskier and riskier mortgages. 284 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,206 Thank you, Benter. 285 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,763 That way they can keep that profit machine churning, right? 286 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,249 By the way, these risky mortgages are called subprime. 287 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,721 So whenever you hear "subprime", think 288 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,245 "shit". 289 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,881 Our friend Michael Burry found out that these mortgage bonds 290 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,203 that were supposedly 65% AAA 291 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,011 were actually just mostly full of shit. 292 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,405 So now he's going to "short" the bonds. 293 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,482 Which means to "bet against". 294 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,321 Got it? 295 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,331 Good. 296 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:53,646 Now fuck off. 297 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,087 It's only a matter of time before someone else sees this investment. 298 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,844 - We have to act now! - (BANGING TABLE) 299 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,207 How do you know the bonds are worthless? 300 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,487 Aren't they filled with fucking thousands 301 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:03,686 of pages of mortgages? 302 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,081 I read them. 303 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,049 - You read them? - I read... Yes. 304 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,329 No one reads them. Only the lawyers who put them together read them. 305 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:16,167 Look, I don't think that they even know what they've made. 306 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,528 The housing market is propped up on these 307 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,485 bad loans, and I'm... (SIGHS) 308 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,608 It's a time bomb, and I want to short it. 309 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,967 Through what instrument, Michael? 310 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,044 There are no insurance contracts or options for mortgage bonds. 311 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,406 The bonds are too stable. 312 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:32,806 Lawrence... 313 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,809 (STUTTERS) 314 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,006 This is what I'm gonna do. I am gonna get a bank 315 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,368 to make me one. 316 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,650 And then 317 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,289 I'm gonna buy it. 318 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:48,767 (CAR HONKING) 319 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,365 MARK: I don't want that kind of business. 320 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,125 Money is not money. That's bad money. 321 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,041 Hey! Excuse me! 322 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,284 Let me ask you this. What company treats its customers 323 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,966 that shittily and succeeds? 324 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,689 - Fine. Okay, Goldman. You're right. - (HORN HONKING) 325 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,125 JARED: Mark Baum had built his career 326 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,202 on never assuming anyone or any company 327 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:10,970 was legit without proving it. 328 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,565 When he was a kid he excelled at studying 329 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,688 the Talmud in Yeshiva. Whatever. 330 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,649 But one day his rabbi told his mom why. 331 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:17,721 (HORN HONKING) 332 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,889 Paul is a fine boy, and Mark is an excellent student 333 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,571 of the Torah and the Talmud. 334 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,608 Then what's the problem, rabbi? 335 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,889 It's the reason Mark is studying so hard. 336 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,923 He's looking for inconsistencies in the word of God! 337 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,802 - So has he found any? - (SCOFFS) 338 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,168 JARED: Later, Baum started his own fund on Wall Street. 339 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,651 He had an amazing nose for bullshit. 340 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,722 And he wasn't afraid to let anyone know when and where 341 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,451 the bull had gone number two. 342 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,124 But then a tragedy happened to Mark, 343 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,685 and it turned his world view dark 344 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,081 and ready to believe the whole system was a lie. 345 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,725 - (PHONE CHIMES) - Hold on. 346 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,644 It's Cynthia. I'll be in the office in 20 minutes. 347 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,761 Hi, honey. 348 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,171 (SIRENS WAILING) 349 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,926 The therapist called. You did it again. 350 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,085 There were no cabs. What was I supposed to do? 351 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:10,844 I worry about you, Mark. 352 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,251 At least I went. 353 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,488 You're running around like you have to right 354 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,449 - every wrong in the world. - Okay. 355 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:18,726 You're so angry. 356 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,211 Fine. You know what? 357 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,204 I'm a mean guy and I'm pissed off. 358 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,203 But it is a shit storm out here, sweetie. 359 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,602 You have no idea the kind of crap people are pulling. 360 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,411 And everyone's walking around like they're in a goddamn Enya video. 361 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:32,970 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 362 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,565 They're all getting screwed, you know. 363 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,211 You know what they care about? They care about the ballgame. 364 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,170 Or they care about what actress just went into rehab. 365 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,288 I think you should try medication. 366 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:45,569 No, no. We agreed. If it interfered with work. 367 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,483 You hate Wall Street. Maybe it's time to quit. 368 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,923 - I love my job. - You hate your job. 369 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,001 I love my job. 370 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:52,081 You're miserable. 371 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,162 I love my job. I love my job, honey. 372 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,366 Mark... 373 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,689 I am sad every day about what happened. 374 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,082 I know you must feel the same, but you never show it. 375 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,846 I know how close you were to your brother. 376 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,321 MARK: Paul. 377 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:19,964 Where'd you go, Paul? 378 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,526 Paul! 379 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,925 Every day I think you're gonna talk about it, but you never do. 380 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,441 - (TV PLAYING) - (TYPING ON LAPTOP) 381 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:38,521 (BEEPING) 382 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,521 Will you at least think about the idea of making a change? 383 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,450 Fine. Fine. Honey, you know what? I will consider it. 384 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,962 But, honestly, Cynthia. I'm okay. I really am. 385 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,963 Hey, hey, hey! No, no. 386 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,487 My cab. That's my cab. That's my cab. That is my cab. 387 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,085 MARK: Schmuck. Fuck you. MAN: Fuck you. 388 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,685 MARK: Fuck you. MAN: Fuck you. 389 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:58,761 (PHONE BEEPS) 390 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,405 I'll call you later. 391 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,241 (HORN HONKING) 392 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,805 I want to buy swaps on mortgage bonds. 393 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,241 A credit default swap that will pay off 394 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,806 if the underlying bond fails. 395 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,170 You want to bet against the housing market? 396 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,163 - Yes. - Why? 397 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,401 Those bonds only fail 398 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,006 if millions of Americans don't pay their mortgages. 399 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,447 That's never happened in history. 400 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,484 If you'll excuse me, Dr. Burry, it seems like a foolish investment. 401 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,370 Well, based on prevailing sentiment 402 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,442 of the market and banks in popular culture, 403 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,807 yes, it's a foolish investment. 404 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,406 But, uh... Everyone's wrong. 405 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:42,885 (BOTH LAUGHING) 406 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,485 That's a good one. 407 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,321 (LAUGHS) 408 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,484 This is Wall Street, Dr. Burry. 409 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,528 If you offer us free money, we are going to take it. 410 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,242 My one concern is that when the bonds fail, 411 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:59,921 uh, I want to be certain, um, of payment 412 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,765 um, in case of solvency issues with your bank. 413 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,121 I'm sorry, are you for real? 414 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,884 You wanna bet against the housing market 415 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,246 and you're worried we won't pay you? 416 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,924 Yes, that's correct. 417 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:12,801 (LUCY CLEARS THROAT) 418 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,691 (WHISPERING) 419 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,169 LUCY: (WHISPERING) ...unless the market crashes. 420 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,487 DEEB: (WHISPERS) The market on housing's never gonna crash 421 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,404 because it's so solid right now. 422 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,211 I mean, who doesn't pay their mortgages? 423 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,161 Mmm-hmm. 424 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,447 (CLEARS THROAT) Dr. Burry, 425 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,887 we could work out a pay-as-we-go structure 426 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,962 that would pay out if the bonds fail. 427 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,530 But it would also apply to your payments 428 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,608 if the value of the mortgage bond goes up. 429 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,411 You'd have to pay us monthly premiums. 430 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,171 LUCY: Is that acceptable, Dr. Burry? 431 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,971 Yes. Yes. 432 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,446 Um, I have prospectuses on six 433 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,364 mortgage-backed securities I want to short. 434 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,046 (DEEB READING SOFTLY) 435 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,569 LUCY: (WHISPERING) Majority of the mortgages... 436 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,526 (CHUCKLES) 437 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,011 (LUCY AND DEEB WHISPERING) 438 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,081 (PAGES FLIPPING) 439 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,406 DEEB: (WHISPERING) I don't see us losing any money on these at all. 440 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,720 (PRINTER WHIRRING) 441 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,081 (INHALES) 442 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,565 Dr. Burry, these should be fine. 443 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,563 Yeah. We're prepared to sell you $5 million 444 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,529 in credit default swaps on these mortgage bonds. 445 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,131 Can we make it $100 million? 446 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,401 Uh, absolutely, we can make it $100 million. 447 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,209 LUCY: We'll be in touch, send some paperwork over. 448 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,081 DEEB: Um... 449 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,525 (SIGHING) I like these cups. 450 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,284 (STUTTERING) Can I take one for my son? 451 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,169 LUCY: Have... Yes. Yes. 452 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,730 Thank you. 453 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,165 LUCY: Have two. 454 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,331 (INAUDIBLE) 455 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,330 (HIP HOP MUSIC PLAYING) 456 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:31,169 Is there any way to do $200 million? 457 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,251 I mean, we can. But are you sure? 458 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,323 Absolutely. Absolutely, we can do that. 459 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,408 We do different projects. We do gardening. 460 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,808 The bonds I'd like to bet against. 461 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,485 It's not bad seeing yourself on the big screen. 462 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,561 It's very cool. 463 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,286 I ordered the 24-ounce T-bone, which was choice. 464 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:08,805 - I went for volume... - WOMAN: Yeah. 465 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,530 ...rather than prime. 466 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,285 I went for subprime, and the gist was... 467 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,721 (HORN HONKING) 468 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,171 MAN: Can I have like, lettuce, tomato, no onions? 469 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,088 WOMAN: So, no onions. Lettuce, tomato, Thousand Island okay? 470 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,161 MAN: Yeah. 471 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,485 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 472 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,924 Hey, Randall! What's with the Dom? 473 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,843 Bonuses aren't for three months. 474 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,925 We just sold $200 million in credit swaps for mortgage bonds. 475 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,162 Some fund manager from California. 476 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,605 It's fucking crazy, right? 477 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:47,761 A whole new way to make money, Doug. 478 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,081 Wait, wait. I didn't know there were swaps on mortgages. 479 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,766 (LAUGHS) There are now. We made it for him. 480 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,524 He must have gone off his Zoloft or something. 481 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,931 I don't know. (CHUCKLES) 482 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,764 - Want to join? No? - Just a second. 483 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:58,841 Oh... 484 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,451 DOUG: Hey, Jared. 485 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,010 Did you hear about the deal that Randall just did 486 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,286 with some fund manager? 487 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,203 JARED: Randall? Bullshit. 488 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,443 He's a foot soldier. I'm sure it's a shit deal. 489 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,806 No, it's for real. 490 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,405 I told you we'd meet later. 491 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,960 Unfortunately, it's in a place like this which I would never be. 492 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,691 I never hung out with these idiots after work, ever. 493 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,569 I had fashion friends. 494 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,282 Apparently, this guy wanted $200 mil in credit default swaps. 495 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:24,124 Randall made the sale. Can you believe it? 496 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,487 Somebody shorted $200 mil on mortgage bonds? 497 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,928 That was just with Deutsche. Word is he hit half the town. 498 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:31,926 How much in total? 499 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,729 $1.3 billion. 500 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,646 LAWRENCE: What? That's pretty much all of Scion's liquidity. 501 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,802 Michael, this is highly distressing. 502 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,325 Lawrence, that is not 503 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,006 all of our liquidity. 504 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,241 And I'm not certain 505 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,561 that you really understand this trade. 506 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,687 This is a certainty. 507 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,889 Mike, I consider myself a mentor to you. 508 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,806 But our company is not comfortable with this investment. Am I being clear? 509 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,121 Lawrence, I have full autonomy 510 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,124 when it comes to investment strategy. 511 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,326 (SIGHS) You can read our agreement. 512 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,768 Do not throw our inception agreement in my face, Michael. 513 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,241 - We had an underlying understanding - (COMPUTER BEEPS) 514 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,606 you wouldn't act like a goddamn crazy man. 515 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,284 This is not crazy. 516 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:12,850 It's all very logical. 517 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,082 So, now we pay up premiums on these swaps 518 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,445 against the housing market until the mortgages fail? 519 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,204 In other words, we lose millions 520 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,005 until something that's never happened before happens? 521 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,887 That's correct. 522 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,889 (TELEPHONES RINGING) 523 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,640 KATHY: Hello, Mark Baum. 524 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,802 Oh, hey, Kathy, you busted me. 525 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,881 I had a personal thing this afternoon. 526 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:06,967 I'm not your babysitter. 527 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,646 If FrontPoint makes money for Morgan Stanley, I'm happy. 528 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,087 Okay. Hey, did I hear you're expecting? 529 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,491 We're expecting to be expecting. 530 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,244 IVF's are cleaning us out but we're staying positive... 531 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,845 That's exciting! 532 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,161 (CHUCKLES) 533 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,004 ...lump on my ball. And I go in for a scan. 534 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,081 Mmm-hmm. 535 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,881 Turns out that I have a very large thing called an epididymis. 536 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,531 Which is a thing that goes around the ball 537 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,329 and is like a sac underneath. 538 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,447 I have an extremely 539 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,363 - pronounced epididymis. - PORTER: I'm riveted... 540 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,488 I'm riveted by this. Do you have any pictures? 541 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,121 DANNY: It's almost as large as another testicle unto itself. 542 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,282 So get this. Cynthia... 543 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,443 Guys. Cynthia wants me to quit and open a B&B in Vermont. 544 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,601 (VINNIE LAUGHING) 545 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,127 That sounds great. I'd love to see Mark Baum run a bed and breakfast. 546 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,123 Like, "Here's your steel-cut oatmeal, asshole." 547 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,806 JARED: Mark refused to kiss the ring of the people with the chequebooks, 548 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,963 so he had to set up his fund under Morgan Stanley's umbrella. 549 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,121 (LAUGHING) 550 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,726 His small team reflected his distrust of the system. 551 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,211 You guys are sick. You're sick. 552 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,448 She says this job is making me unhappy. 553 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,607 VINNIE: But you're happy when you're unhappy. 554 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,165 I am happy when I'm unhappy. 555 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,241 JARED: Vinnie Daniel. 556 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,481 You know how to make a muffin? 557 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,324 - Mark's numbers guy. - Do you even know how 558 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,811 - to do laundry? Make a bed? - MARK: Okay... 559 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,531 Vinnie lost his father to a violent crime when he was young. 560 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,443 Just like Mark, he didn't talk about it. 561 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,806 I don't talk about that. 562 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,201 Cynthia's no joke. She could actually make him move to Vermont. 563 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,930 I mean, she made me start wearing a seatbelt. 564 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,724 - Hey, you want me to... - JARED: Porter Collins. 565 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,047 Former Olympic rower who went to Brown. 566 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:31,770 He worked with Baum at a previous firm 567 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,809 and couldn't figure out why no one listened to Baum. 568 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,968 The guy with all the good ideas. 569 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,849 Sorry. I think you have the wrong FrontPoint. 570 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,725 'Cause there is another FrontPoint in this same building that is bonds. 571 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,565 And Danny Moses. The optimist of the bunch. 572 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,680 And a hell of a trader. 573 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,889 Which is the only reason they put up with his bullshit optimism. 574 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,200 DANNY: That was a weird call. 575 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,602 You take longer with a wrong number than anybody else. 576 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,365 It was this guy from Deutsche 577 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,966 who was talking about shorting housing bonds. 578 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:01,521 And then in the middle of the call 579 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,801 I realised he had the wrong FrontPoint. 580 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,281 And then... 'Cause he wanted the one on the 8th floor. 581 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,809 He wanted to short housing bonds? 582 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,927 Uh-huh. That happens like five times a day 583 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,485 that somebody gets the wrong FrontPoint. 584 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,722 - We should change our name. - VINNIE: Wait. Wait. 585 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,768 He wanted to short housing bonds? 586 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,884 - Who bets against housing? - (TYPING ON COMPUTER) 587 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,046 VINNIE: What's the ABX at? 588 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,366 What's ABX? 589 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,284 It tracks subprime mortgage bond value. Go back to sleep. 590 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,967 - The ABX is at, uh... - (BEEPING) 591 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,368 Wow, it's down! It's down three points since last year. 592 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,681 That's weird. I haven't heard a peep about that. 593 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,807 What was this guy's name? 594 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,042 Jared Vennett. Vennett. 595 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,361 JARED: That's right. These lucky sons of bitches 596 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,171 caught wind of one of the best trades in Wall Street history 597 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,850 from a wrong number. 598 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,207 They should have paid 10% to my fuckstick assistant. 599 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,607 DANNY: His name was Jared Vennett. Vennett. 600 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,648 Jared Vennett from Deutsche. Sounded very sketchy. 601 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:49,801 VINNIE: Sounds like a douchebag. 602 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,244 (WHISPERING) Do you smell that? 603 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,651 Do you smell that? 604 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,046 I smell money. 605 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,245 This is your basic mortgage... 606 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,202 Okay, hi. How are you? 607 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,966 Have a seat. 608 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,850 MARK: Okay, Mr. Vennett from Deutsche Bank. What do we have? 609 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,924 There you go. 610 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,926 MARK: So, how many people have you talked to about this trade? 611 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,765 A few. There's definitely some interest. 612 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,285 - No! - My boss would have my ass... 613 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,771 - N.O.! - You crazy, Jared? 614 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,410 - Get lost. - Fuck you. 615 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,925 Which is why you're here talking to us, a wrong number. 616 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,445 Sounds like there's a lot of interest. 617 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,841 All right. A few people have invited us in 618 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,327 just to laugh at me on this deal. Is that you? 619 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,447 Is that what this is? 620 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,521 VINNIE: That's not what this is. 621 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,443 That's just how Mark is. 622 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,806 - Let's see what you got. - I'm sorry. 623 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,530 You smell that? What is that? 624 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,085 - MARK: What? - What's that smell? 625 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,481 Your cologne? 626 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,641 JARED: No. 627 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,166 Opportunity. 628 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,611 No. Money. 629 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,966 - Oh... - MARK: Okay. 630 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,610 - I smell money. - Okay. 631 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,765 - Chris, God damn it. - Sorry. 632 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,406 JARED: This is your basic mortgage bond. 633 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,721 All right? The originals were simple. 634 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,486 They were just thousands of AAA mortgages bundled together, 635 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,324 guaranteed by the U.S. government. 636 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,243 The modern ones are different. 637 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,244 They're private. And they're made up of layers of tranches. 638 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,926 The highest level, AAA, is getting paid first. 639 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,163 The lowest rated, B, is getting paid last, taking on defaults first. 640 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,925 Now, obviously, if you're buying B's, you could make more money. 641 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,161 But they're a little risky. 642 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,402 Sometimes they fail. 643 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,011 Chris? 644 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,081 Somewhere along the line, these B's and BB's 645 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,650 went from a little risky 646 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,121 to dog shit. Where's the trash? 647 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,241 PORTER: It's right behind you. 648 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,490 I'm talking rock-bottom FICO scores. 649 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,561 (THUNKING) 650 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,205 No income verification. 651 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,327 (THUNKING) 652 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,244 Adjustable rates. Dog shit! 653 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,524 The default rates are already up from 1 % to 4%, fellas. 654 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,841 And if they rise to 8%, and they will, 655 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,887 a lot of these BBB's are going to zero, too. 656 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,371 And that... You're too close. 657 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,121 ...is an opportunity. 658 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,201 - (EXHALES) - MARK: Okay. 659 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,887 You're saying that at 8% the bonds fail and we are already at 4%? 660 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:18,961 That's right. 661 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,883 If they go to 8%, it's Armageddon? 662 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,961 Yeah. That's right. 663 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,804 How come nobody's talking about this? 664 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,042 You're completely sure of the math? 665 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,691 Look at him. That's my quant. 666 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,807 MARK: Your what? 667 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,689 My quantitative! 668 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,491 My math specialist. Look at him. 669 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,881 You notice anything different about him? Look at his face. 670 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,086 MARK: That's pretty racist. 671 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,606 JARED: Look at his eyes! I'll give you a hint. 672 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,250 His name's Yang! 673 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,722 He won a national math competition in China! 674 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,286 He doesn't even speak English! 675 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,044 Yeah, I'm sure of the math. 676 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,606 Actually, my name's Jiang and I do speak English. 677 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,091 Jared likes to say I don't because he thinks 678 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,003 it makes me seem more authentic. 679 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,686 And I got second in that national math competition. 680 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,081 So you're offering us a chance to short this pile of blocks? How? 681 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,640 With something called a credit default swap. 682 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,846 (CLAPS HANDS) 683 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,446 It's like insurance on the bond, and if it goes bust 684 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,683 you can make 10-to-1, even 20-to-1 return. 685 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,888 And it's already slowly going bust! 686 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,282 10-to-1? 20-to-1? No way. 687 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,283 JARED: And no one's paying attention. 688 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,206 No one is paying attention! 689 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,807 Because the banks are too busy getting paid obscene fees 690 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,120 to sell these bonds. 691 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,965 But wait. You are the bank. You work for the bank. 692 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,088 I bet your margins are pretty nice and fat. 693 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,447 Let's not talk about my margins, by the way. 694 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,608 Being nice and fat, that's a nice shirt. Do they make it for men? 695 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,886 (DANNY AND PORTER SNICKERING) 696 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:43,961 VINNIE: Aren't you the bank? 697 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,964 I work for the bank. I don't think like a bank. 698 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,886 Big bank, small bank, I like to make money. All right? 699 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,725 Let me put it this way. I'm standing in front of a burning house... 700 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,565 And I'm offering you fire insurance on it. 701 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,166 How can these underlying bonds be as bad as you say? 702 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,486 It wouldn't be legal. (CLEARS THROAT) 703 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,528 Nobody knows what's in them. 704 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,170 Nobody knows what's in the bonds. 705 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,289 I've seen some that are 65% AAA-rated 706 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,330 that I know for a fact are filled with 95% 707 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,244 subprime shit with FICOs below 550! 708 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,846 Get the fuck out of here. 709 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,251 You want me to really blow your mind? 710 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,890 When the market deems a bond too risky to buy, 711 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,167 what do you think we do with it? 712 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,366 Take a guess. 713 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,885 I don't know. You tell me. 714 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,885 All right. You think we just warehouse it on the books? No. 715 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,883 We just repackage it with a bunch of other shit 716 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,088 that didn't sell and put it into a CDO. 717 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,928 MARK: A CDO? JARED: Yes. A CDO. 718 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,484 - What is that? - This is where we take a bunch of B's, 719 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,722 BB's and BBB's that haven't sold, 720 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,484 - and we put them in a pile. - (CLATTERING) 721 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,008 JARED: And when the pile gets large enough, 722 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,691 the whole thing is suddenly considered diversified 723 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,448 and the whores at the rating agency give it a 92%-93% AAA rating, 724 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,522 no questions asked. 725 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:54,961 (EXHALES) 726 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,726 Hold it. What? Say that again. 727 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,241 A collateralized debt obligation. 728 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,890 It's important to understand because it's what allowed 729 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,045 a housing crisis to become a nationwide economic disaster. 730 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,329 Here's world-famous chef Anthony Bourdain to explain. 731 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,845 (LAUGHS) 732 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,649 ANTHONY: Okay, I'm a chef on a Sunday afternoon 733 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,489 setting the menu at a big restaurant. 734 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,011 I ordered my fish on Friday, 735 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,811 which is the mortgage bond that Michael Burry shorted. 736 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,048 But some of the fresh fish doesn't sell. 737 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,724 I don't know why. Maybe it just came out 738 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,490 halibut has the intelligence of a dolphin. 739 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,289 So, what am I going to do? 740 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,921 Throw all this unsold fish, which is the BBB level of the bond, 741 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,401 in the garbage and take the loss? 742 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,361 No way. 743 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,886 Being the crafty and morally onerous chef that I am, 744 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,691 whatever crappy levels of the bond I don't sell, 745 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,728 I throw into a seafood stew. 746 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,247 See, it's not old fish. It's a whole new thing! 747 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,006 And the best part is they're eating 3-day-old halibut. 748 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,764 That is a CDO. 749 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,724 PORTER: I just need to know, how could these possibly be collated? 750 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,241 Somehow you're like Dora the Explorer 751 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,606 and you're the first person 752 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:01,966 - who found this thing. - Hold on. Hold on. 753 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,929 So mortgage bonds are dog shit, 754 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,241 CDOs are dog shit wrapped in cat shit. 755 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,321 (BUZZING) 756 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,603 Yeah, that's right. 757 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,207 Institutions treat these CDOs like they're as solid as treasury bonds, 758 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,520 and they're going to zero. 759 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,647 (CLATTERING) 760 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:17,961 DANNY: No. That can't be right. There were $500 billion 761 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,361 in housing bonds sold last year alone. 762 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,286 The rating agencies, the banks, the fucking government, 763 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,362 you're saying they're all asleep at the wheel? 764 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,922 Yeah. My whole department's long on this stuff. 765 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,725 They call me Chicken Little. They call me Bubble Boy. 766 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,768 - A's, zero. B's, zero. - (CLATTERING) 767 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,328 BB's, zero. BBB's, zero. 768 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,165 And then that happens. 769 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:48,890 What is that? 770 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,449 That's America's housing market. 771 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,481 Thank you. 772 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,527 Fuckin' A, Jared. 773 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,648 Shut your fucking mouth. 774 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,888 - ...hang out with you. - MARK: Good. Okay. 775 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,128 JARED: Sack up, do the deal. Let's be friends. 776 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,406 MARK: We will see. Thank you. 777 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,561 JARED: Don't bullshit me. MARK: All right. 778 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:07,766 JARED: You're gonna say no, aren't you? 779 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,320 MIKE: No. No, I'm just evaluating right now. 780 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,084 - Thank you. Thank you for coming in. - (DOOR OPENS) 781 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,525 Bye, Jared. 782 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,971 VINNIE: I don't like it. 783 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,604 He's playing us. 784 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:27,563 He's playing us. He's got too much skin in the game 785 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,324 and he's dumping his position. 786 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,770 What if he's right? 787 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:32,966 You want him to be right. 788 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,610 MARK: Yes, I do. 789 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,243 The banks have given us 25% interest rates on credit cards. 790 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,049 They have screwed us on student loans 791 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,884 that we can never get out from under. 792 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,169 Then this guy walks into my office and says 793 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,210 those same banks got greedy, they lost track of the market, 794 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,328 and I can profit off of their stupidity? 795 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,687 Fuck, yeah, I want him to be right! 796 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,000 VINNIE: How come you don't hate this guy? 797 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,764 He's everything you taught us not to trust. 798 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,569 I can't hate him. He is so transparent 799 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,007 in his self-interest that I kind of respect him. 800 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,163 - Would I buy a car from him? No. - (PORTER CHUCKLES) 801 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,720 Is he right about the mortgage market? 802 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,962 - No. - Let's find out. Let's find out. 803 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,403 Look. It's two very simple questions. 804 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,005 Is there a housing bubble? 805 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,651 And if there is, how exposed are the banks? 806 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:15,767 PORTER: Yeah. Okay. 807 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,285 Let's get on this quickly too. 808 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,725 Because if he's right, 809 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,287 every loser with a couple million bucks and a fund is gonna be jumping on this. 810 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,841 Let's go. 811 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,841 (ELEVATOR DINGS) 812 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,685 WOMAN: Just that morning... 813 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,924 (BREATHING DEEPLY) 814 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,122 JPMorgan Chase. JPMorgan Chase. 815 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,241 JAMIE: Okay. Stop saying "JPMorgan Chase". 816 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,771 I got a good feeling about this. 817 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:41,921 It's just a meeting though, you know? 818 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,610 It's just a meeting. It's something like... 819 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,762 People have meetings all the time. You know? 820 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,490 People drink their coffee, they have a meeting. 821 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,891 CHRIS: Brownfield Fund? JAMIE: Yes! 822 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,849 - Hey. Hello. - CHARLIE: Ted. 823 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,285 Chris. I'm on Ted's desk. 824 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,731 Chris. Okay. 825 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,006 - I'm Charlie, Charlie Geller. - Charlie. 826 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,684 - Jamie Shipley. Hi. - Jamie. 827 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,730 We're so excited to get set up on your trading platform. 828 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:01,966 Cool. 829 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,849 Here, have a seat a second. 830 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,561 All right. 831 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,644 So, I... Ted had asked me to do some meeting prep. 832 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:13,042 But I couldn't find any marketing material on you guys. 833 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,963 We just moved here from Boulder. 834 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,565 - Yeah. - Got it. 835 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,007 Could we see some of your offering documents? 836 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,606 Well, Brownfield is its own money. 837 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,884 - It's our money. - Yeah. 838 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,769 Can you tell us how much you manage? 839 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,322 Of course. We're doing $30 million right now. 840 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,640 Um, but we started 841 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,451 - four years ago with $110,000. - CHRIS: Wow. 842 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,162 So, as you can see, that's pretty phenomenal returns. 843 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,449 We want to get an ISDA agreement with JPMorgan so we can 844 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,086 deal in long-term options. 845 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,491 - That's really cool. - Yeah. 846 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,169 That is so cool. 847 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:01,321 Thank you. 848 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,604 But you guys are under the capital requirements for an ISDA. 849 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,761 By how much? 850 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,401 Uh... 851 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,968 One billion four hundred seventy million, so... 852 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,530 ...a lot. 853 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,250 This makes us look bad, doesn't it, 854 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,529 that we didn't know what the capital requirements were? 855 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,601 Uh... 856 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,571 It's not great. 857 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,366 But, uh, 858 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,920 keep up those returns and give us a call 859 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,809 way down the line. You know. 860 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:30,881 Okay? 861 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,291 - Okay. - Thanks, Chris. 862 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,361 Have a good one, guys. 863 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,441 CHARLIE: Thank you, Chris. 864 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,961 (SIGHS) 865 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,761 Shit! 866 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,160 Who the fuck schedules a meeting 867 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,408 - at 4:50 in the afternoon? - Oh, my, God. 868 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,209 That was so painful. 869 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,927 Dude, B of A and Bear didn't even return our calls. 870 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,207 And even fucking Wachovia 871 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,924 - blew us off, man! - I know. 872 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,401 Here's the prospectuses of all the other losers 873 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,164 who didn't make it past the lobby. 874 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,129 JAMIE: I don't think I can do this any more. You know. 875 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,090 I'm young, yet. I can still do something with my life. 876 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,208 I miss Colorado anyway. The weed's better. 877 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,162 Gentlemen, I need you to leave. 878 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,645 Yep, yep, we're going. Let's go. 879 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:10,926 Look at this. Look at this. 880 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,331 This guy 881 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,324 says that the housing market's a giant bubble. 882 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,641 (INHALES) 883 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:19,882 Okay, so this part isn't totally accurate, you know. 884 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,042 We didn't find Jared Vennett's housing bubble pitch 885 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,083 in the lobby of a bank that rejected us. 886 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,605 The truth is, um, 887 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,570 a friend had told Charlie about it, and I read about it 888 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,051 in Grant's Interest Rate Observer. 889 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,485 This is crazy. 890 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,086 This is crazy stuff. 891 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,806 Shit, he's saying that there's 10-to-1 returns 892 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,521 on credit default swaps for mortgage-backed securities? 893 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,291 And the whole housing market is about to collapse? 894 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,724 JARED: For Jamie and Charlie, the housing market 895 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,280 doomsday prediction was music to their ears. 896 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,044 (SINGING) 897 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,848 They had started working out of Jamie's garage 898 00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,843 with $110,000 Jamie had saved 899 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,002 taking sailboats up and down the East Coast. 900 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,729 Our investment strategy was simple. 901 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,848 People hate to think about bad things happening, 902 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,321 so they always underestimate their likelihood. 903 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,880 JARED: Their strategy was simple and brilliant. 904 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,481 What he said. 905 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,291 Jamie and Charlie found markets will sell options very cheaply 906 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,567 on things they think will never happen. 907 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,244 So when they were wrong, they were wrong small, 908 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,288 but when they were right, they were right big. 909 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,691 (IMITATING EXPLOSION) 910 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,886 Within a few years they had turned $110,000 into $30 million. 911 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,689 But then it was time to go to New York City. 912 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,331 And so far, it wasn't going very well. 913 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,164 So what if it does seem interesting. No... 914 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,767 No bank will give us our ISDA. We're dead in the water. 915 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,686 These kind of trades are totally out of the question. 916 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,444 We got to call Ben. 917 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,521 (EXHALES) 918 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,090 Let's call Ben! 919 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,042 JARED: Ben Rickert was a former trader in Singapore 920 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,885 for Chase who quit the whole game in disgust. 921 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,327 He happened to be Jamie's neighbour when they were in Colorado 922 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,562 and they met walking dogs. 923 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,130 But Ben was dark. 924 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,288 He didn't just think the whole system would fail. 925 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,567 He thought the whole world was going down. 926 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,682 Every one of these vegetables is fresh from my garden. 927 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,886 (CHOPPING) 928 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,486 BEN: You guys should start your own garden. 929 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,921 What you got to do is get your soil off the petrochemicals. 930 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,047 JAMIE: Hmm. 931 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,327 I used wood ash and urine to help restore the soil. 932 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,004 It creates ammonium nitrate. 933 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,844 Seeds are gonna be the new currency. 934 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,962 And not those Franken-seeds from Monsanto. 935 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,646 I'm talking about good, healthy, organic seeds. 936 00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:32,846 Make yourself a garden. 937 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,410 - Learn to live off the land. - You're a fucking lunatic. 938 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,687 JARED: Ben had real experience in a big bank. 939 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,481 Jamie and Charlie had never even been in a Manhattan bank bathroom. 940 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,244 But Ben was done with the banking world. 941 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,651 He was very clear. 942 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:45,324 JAMIE: All right, let's crunch some numbers 943 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,767 and then maybe we'll talk about calling Ben. 944 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:48,921 We're always crunching numbers. 945 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,081 When haven't we crunched the numbers? 946 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,127 We're gonna crunch the numbers like harder... 947 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,201 GUARD: I need you out of here. 948 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,247 Of course. One second. 949 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,321 Yes, ma'am. We're going. 950 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,607 PORTER: Oh, God. I hate this. This is a total waste of time. 951 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,161 Oh, come on. Would you relax? 952 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,049 There's a housing development 45 minutes outside town. 953 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,003 Mark wants us to check that out first. 954 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,082 Well, I hope there are some Cuban restaurants on the way there. 955 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,811 Because I heard the Cuban food is amazing in Miami. 956 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,611 Please don't be chipper in the face of me being miserable. 957 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,364 It really makes me hate you. 958 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,966 How is wanting to eat good food being chipper? 959 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,841 Hello? 960 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,520 Hello? 961 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,685 PORTER: What do these go for? 962 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,049 DANNY: $425,000 each? 963 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,250 (DOG BARKING) 964 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,040 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 965 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,484 What's up, man? What do you want? 966 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,882 Hello. I'm surveying mortgage owners who are over 90 days delinquent. 967 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,531 I'm looking for a Harvey Humpsey. 968 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,761 You want my landlord's dog? 969 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,410 Your landlord filled out his mortgage application 970 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,960 using his dog's name? 971 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,491 I guess so. 972 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,086 Wait, has that asshole not been paying his mortgage? 973 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,491 'Cause I've been paying my rent. 974 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,483 Well, yeah, he is over 90 days delinquent. 975 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,445 Seriously, man, 976 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,329 am I gonna have to leave? 977 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,970 (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING) 978 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,247 'Cause my kid just got settled in school, man. 979 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,482 Hey. How are ya? 980 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,321 My name's Ken. 981 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,680 You're Ken? 982 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,569 Um, you should talk to your landlord about that. 983 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,165 I'm sorry, I don't have any more information. 984 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:34,605 But you, um... 985 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:36,844 You have a great day. See ya, Ken. 986 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,365 KEN: There's books everywhere! 987 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,681 Books everywhere? 988 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,003 Seriously, man, is everything gonna be okay? 989 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,209 You should... You should call him. 990 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,327 You should give him a call. 991 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,084 It's not my fault, dude. I've been paying... 992 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,685 (DOOR CREAKING) 993 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,041 Hello! 994 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,088 Looks like the Mary Celeste. 995 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,970 Look. All they took was the TV. 996 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,688 DANNY: It's weird. 997 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,081 PORTER: They didn't even clean out the cat litter. 998 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:18,687 PORTER: Oh, God. 999 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,243 It's like Chernobyl. 1000 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,722 There's like a hundred houses. There can't be four people living here. 1001 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,967 - Oh, fuck that! - Shit! 1002 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,487 (HEAVY METAL MUSIC PLAYING) 1003 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:55,966 MAN: He's been in there for seven hours. 1004 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,684 Where does he go to the bathroom? 1005 00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,406 I heard he had a breakdown. 1006 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,448 - He's letting the fund tank. - (TELEPHONE RINGING) 1007 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,010 My buddy in Manhattan said... 1008 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,684 Dr. Burry's office. 1009 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,610 No, he actually prefers that you email him. 1010 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:07,966 Excuse me. 1011 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,321 Mr. Fields, Mr... 1012 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,204 - Hi, Lawrence. - (WHISPERING) Holy shit! 1013 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,361 We have no confidence in your ability to identify 1014 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,044 macroeconomic trends. 1015 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,725 (MUSIC STOPPING) 1016 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,931 MIKE: You flew here to tell me that? Why? 1017 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,402 Anyone can see that there is a real estate bubble. 1018 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,323 Actually, no one can see a bubble. 1019 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,640 That's what makes it a bubble. 1020 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:36,007 That's dumb, Lawrence. 1021 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,684 There's always markers. 1022 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,886 Mortgage fraud has 1023 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,724 quintupled since 2000 1024 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,684 and the average take-home pay is flat, 1025 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,250 but home prices are soaring. 1026 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,402 That means the homes are debt, not assets. 1027 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,687 So Mike Burry of San Jose, a guy who 1028 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,082 gets his hair cut at Supercuts and doesn't wear shoes, 1029 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,090 knows more than Alan Greenspan and Hank Paulson. 1030 00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:00,241 Well... 1031 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,526 Dr. Mike Burry, yes, he does. (CHUCKLES) 1032 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:06,529 That's cute. That's cute. 1033 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,967 Are you being sarcastic with us, Mike? 1034 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,001 (SIGHS) 1035 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,491 Lawrence, 1036 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,080 I don't know how to be sarcastic. 1037 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,570 I don't know how to be funny. I don't know how to 1038 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,690 work people. 1039 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:22,921 I... 1040 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,367 I just know how to read numbers. 1041 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,920 How big is your short position right now? 1042 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,367 Um... 1043 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,010 Just $1.3 billion. 1044 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,965 And the premiums? 1045 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,451 Well, we pay, uh, 1046 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,282 - roughly $80 to 90 million - (MARTIN LAUGHING) 1047 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,850 each year, which is high, 1048 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,008 but I was the first to do this trade. 1049 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,527 Watch. It will pay. I may have been early, but I'm not wrong. 1050 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,967 It's the same thing. It's the same thing, Mike! 1051 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,930 You're managing a fund of, what, $555 million? 1052 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,967 In six years, it'll all be gone. 1053 00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,165 On one bet. 1054 00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:02,483 No, the second quarter of '07 is when the adjustable rates kick in. 1055 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,050 The defaults will skyrocket. 1056 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,849 Yeah. Says you. 1057 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,400 LAWRENCE: How much is eligible for withdrawal before they do? 1058 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,403 Say, in the next two quarters. 1059 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,168 If your investors panic. 1060 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:17,687 $302 million? 1061 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:18,761 I... 1062 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,290 My God, Mike. 1063 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,725 (MIKE CHUCKLES) 1064 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,088 No one will pull out. That would be suicide. 1065 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,527 I mean, I'm down 17% for the year. 1066 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,961 But if they trust me, and they trust me, because... 1067 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,691 No one trusts you! No one! 1068 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,161 I sent several emails to my investors 1069 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,328 letting them know that the... 1070 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,887 (EXHALES) 1071 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,406 ...the second quarter of '07 is when our 1072 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,966 housing positions show returns and... 1073 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,600 I've been very clear. 1074 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,244 People will withdraw their money. 1075 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,282 Lawrence, that would be so stupid. I mean, the... 1076 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,842 (STUTTERS) If the fund's capitals drop too much, 1077 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,403 then the swaps contracts are voided. 1078 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,768 And then the banks get to keep all of the collateral. 1079 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,042 - MARTIN: Wait a minute. Wait. - All of it. 1080 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,165 The contracts are voided? 1081 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,530 Holy shit! 1082 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,047 Oh, motherfucker! 1083 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,170 - Michael? - (TAPPING) 1084 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,210 Give me my money back. 1085 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,042 Michael, do you hear me? I want my money back. 1086 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,841 Give me my fucking money back... 1087 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,530 (LAUGHS) ...you motherfucker. 1088 00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:40,403 The market's in an itsy-bitsy little gully right now. 1089 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,721 It's like everybody said, "Okay, that was crazy. 1090 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,689 "Let's just all calm down." 1091 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,723 I sold that house for $350,000 the year it was built. 1092 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,562 Two years later, $480,000. 1093 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,923 Then $585,000 maybe 18 months ago. 1094 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,571 This couple bought it for $650,000 last year. 1095 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,883 He'd let it go for that. 1096 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,689 Hi, John. 1097 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:03,761 (MOUTHING) No, no, no. 1098 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:05,771 It will break his heart, but he'll let it go. 1099 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,644 Why is he selling? 1100 00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:09,563 MARLENE: Neither one's working right now. 1101 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,166 Marlene, you'd say they're motivated, right? 1102 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,284 As motivated as one can be in this neighbourhood. 1103 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,886 This house on the left, I would say they're probably motivated. 1104 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,928 Wow, a lot of people seem very motivated. 1105 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,126 MARLENE: Oh, it's just the gully. 1106 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,164 That's all. Just... 1107 00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:25,651 Just nerves. 1108 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,449 So where do we stand? 1109 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,126 I need to talk to my wife. Um... 1110 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,531 MAN: This market won't last. 1111 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,364 MARK: Actually, could I talk to a mortgage broker? 1112 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,283 Anybody you recommend? Anybody you like. 1113 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,362 MARLENE: Yes, yes, I have someone. Absolutely. 1114 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,726 Yeah, bitch better like me. 1115 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,040 Sent her ass to Cabo. 1116 00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:42,605 (ALL LAUGHING) 1117 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,251 So is Morgan Stanley recruiting us? Is that it? 1118 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,564 Oh, no. No. The bank owns our hedge fund, 1119 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:49,641 but we're not really part of it. 1120 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,206 We invest in financial service companies 1121 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,284 and we're trying to understand the residential mortgage business. 1122 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,330 How many loans do you write each month? 1123 00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,925 - (BLOWS AIR) About 60. - Yeah. 1124 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,490 What was it four years ago? 1125 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,766 - Ten... - (PORTER WHISTLES) 1126 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,126 Maybe 15. 1127 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,487 Yeah, I was a bartender. Now I own a boat. 1128 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,561 (LAUGHING) You own a... 1129 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,883 So how many of these are adjustable-rate mortgages? 1130 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,610 - MAN IN BLACK: Well, most. - Oh, yeah. 1131 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,648 Yeah, I'd say about 90%. 1132 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,889 The bonuses on those skyrocketed a few years ago. 1133 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,246 Adjustable's our bread and honey. 1134 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,891 So do applicants ever get rejected? 1135 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,365 (BOTH LAUGHING) 1136 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,406 Seriously? 1137 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,402 Look, if they get rejected, I suck at my job. 1138 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,970 DANNY: Even if they have no money? 1139 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,930 Well, my firm offers NINJA loans. 1140 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,526 - PORTER: Okay. - "No Income, No Job." 1141 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,002 I just leave the income section blank if I want. 1142 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,366 Corporate doesn't care. 1143 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,762 These people just want homes. And they go with the flow. 1144 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:46,807 PORTER: Good for you. 1145 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:47,927 Your companies don't verify? 1146 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,648 If I write a loan on Friday afternoon, 1147 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,522 a big bank will buy it by Monday lunch. 1148 00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,411 Yeah. Same here. 1149 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,565 Could you hold on a second? 1150 00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:03,085 Yeah. 1151 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,445 I don't get it. Why are they confessing? 1152 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,488 They're not confessing. 1153 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,250 They're bragging. 1154 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,920 (MARK CLEARS THROAT) 1155 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,085 Do people have any idea what they are buying? 1156 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,247 (CHUCKLES) I focus on the immigrants, you know. 1157 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,731 Once they find out they're getting a home, 1158 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,404 they sign where you tell them to sign. 1159 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,642 Don't ask questions. Don't understand the rates. 1160 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,165 - Fucking idiots. - Yeah. 1161 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:39,651 And you target immigrants, too? 1162 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,570 Well, their credit actually isn't bad enough for him. 1163 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:43,721 (CHUCKLES) 1164 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,164 Look, I'm a yield guy. 1165 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:47,761 Okay... 1166 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,202 I make $2,000 on a fixed-rate prime loan, right? 1167 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,921 But I can make $10,000 on a subprime adjustable. 1168 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,004 Trust me, I'm not driving a 7 Series without strippers. 1169 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,368 No one on the pole has good credit and they're all cash rich. 1170 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,761 I think I read Warren Buffett say something like that. 1171 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,521 What? Who's Warren Buffett? 1172 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,765 Okay, so strippers. Like exotic dancers? 1173 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1174 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,128 Nude, you know, topless. 1175 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,043 - Strippers. - Yeah. 1176 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:20,840 Can you introduce us? 1177 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,366 Yes! Yes. 1178 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,680 (AUDIENCE CHEERING) 1179 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,324 I always get option-pay adjustables. I'm a private contractor. 1180 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,084 MARK: What? I can't hear you. I'm sorry. 1181 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,003 I always get option-pay adjustables. 1182 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,321 I'm a private contractor. I need flexibility. 1183 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,011 And you tell the mortgage company what you do? 1184 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,082 I write "therapist". 1185 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,650 - You can touch me. - Always? 1186 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,327 Only in V.I.P. 1187 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,006 No, no, no, you say you always do adjustables. 1188 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,889 And you have more than one loan on a property? 1189 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,201 Everybody does. At least down here. 1190 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,281 MARK: I'm sorry, what? 1191 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,931 Everybody does. At least down here. 1192 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,202 That way you only put down, like, 5%. 1193 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,089 Prices have levelled off, though, right? 1194 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,003 Yeah. There's a gully. 1195 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,801 Would you mind not moving any more? I'll still pay you. 1196 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,291 Sorry. We're not alone. 1197 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,011 Okay, look. If home prices don't go up, 1198 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,367 you are not going to be able to refinance. 1199 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,609 And you'll be stuck paying whatever your monthly payment is 1200 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,411 once it jumps up after your teaser rate expires. 1201 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,848 Your monthlies could go up 200%-300%. 1202 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,328 James says I can always refinance. 1203 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,209 Well, he's a liar. 1204 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,409 Actually, in this particular case, James probably is wrong. 1205 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,768 200 percent? On all my loans? 1206 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,251 What do you mean "all" your loans? 1207 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,721 We're talking about two loans on one house, right? 1208 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,528 I have five houses. 1209 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,608 And a condo. 1210 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,005 Hey, there's a bubble. 1211 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,081 VINNIE: How do you know? 1212 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,562 Trust me. Call Vennett, buy $50 million in swaps on the MBS. 1213 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,650 What do we got? Garibaldi IV, BBB. 1214 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:55,165 Mark, are you sure? 1215 00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:57,129 Yeah. Yeah, it's time to call bullshit. 1216 00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,885 - Bullshit on what? - Every fucking thing. 1217 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,405 (TYPING) 1218 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,205 (COMPUTER CHIMES) 1219 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,690 FrontPoint! FrontPoint! 1220 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,329 Is this America's angriest hedge fund? 1221 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,562 VINNIE: All right, listen. I got one last question for you. 1222 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,603 How are you fucking us? 1223 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,925 There's a nicer way to say that, Vinnie. 1224 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,570 I'm serious. 1225 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,723 We'll buy your swaps, but only if you say how you're fucking us. 1226 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,326 I'm not fucking you, Vinnie. I'm kissing you. 1227 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,171 I'm looking deep into your eyes as I make love to you, Vinnie. 1228 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,568 I'm handing you the deal of the century on a fucking platter. 1229 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,007 What do I get out of it? Easy. 1230 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,521 I got a $20-million-a-month negative carry. 1231 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,011 I got bosses trying to pull the plug 1232 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,526 because they think I'm out of my fucking mind. 1233 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:01,567 All right? 1234 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,721 We make this trade, 1235 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,201 those problems aren't so big any more. 1236 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,046 And sure, swaps are a dark market, so I set the price. 1237 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,565 Whatever price I want. 1238 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,085 And when you come for the payday, 1239 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,407 I'm gonna rip your eyes out, I'm gonna make a fortune. 1240 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,045 But the good news is, Vinnie, you're not gonna care 1241 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,327 because you're gonna make so much fucking money. 1242 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,731 That's what I get out of it. 1243 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,086 Want to know what you get out of it? 1244 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,687 You get the ice cream, the hot fudge, the banana, and the nuts. 1245 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,569 Right now, I get the sprinkles, and, yeah, 1246 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,246 if this goes through, I get the cherry. 1247 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,561 But you get the sundae, Vinnie. 1248 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,324 You get the sundae. 1249 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,530 All right, I buy that. Thank you. 1250 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,762 So what do you say? 1251 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,729 - You want me to make you a market? - Yeah. 1252 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,327 We'll take $50 million, Garibaldi IV, BBB. 1253 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,848 Sharpen your pencils. I'll get the paperwork ready. 1254 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,446 (SIGHS) 1255 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,045 Fuck you, too. 1256 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,490 Yes! 1257 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:01,681 That's right. 1258 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,523 - Oh, man. - (EXHALES DEEPLY) 1259 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,844 He has so many numbers, and I always forget 1260 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,570 which one he prefers, because he's very specific. 1261 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:12,846 Start with the first one. 1262 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,126 I don't know if it's the first one. 1263 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:15,566 Just try it. 1264 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,210 Okay. I... Okay. 1265 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,564 (COUNTRY MUSIC PLAYING) 1266 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,130 (LINE RINGING) 1267 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,804 (BIRD SCREECHING) 1268 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:26,961 (PHONE RINGING) 1269 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,565 - Ben Rickert. - Hey, Ben. It's Jamie. 1270 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,043 Jamie, you know you're not supposed to use this line. 1271 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:42,731 (DIAL TONE) 1272 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:44,720 Told you. 1273 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,765 Okay, let's try number two out of 14. 1274 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,048 (LINE RINGING) 1275 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:55,521 (PHONE RINGING) 1276 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,287 (DIAL TONE) 1277 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,361 Ben Rickert. 1278 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,488 Ben, why do you do that, man? I mean... 1279 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,006 You're a retired trader, okay? No one is listening to your calls. 1280 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,730 The NSA has a $52 billion budget and the ability 1281 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,211 to monitor tens of millions of calls a second. 1282 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,601 You think they're not using it? 1283 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,530 Hey, I promise I will refrain from saying 1284 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,807 "Ben Rickert" and "dirty bomb" in the same sent... 1285 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,361 (BEEPS) 1286 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,330 - Jesus fucking Christ. - I'm sorry, dude. 1287 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:21,890 - (PHONE RINGING) - (BEEPS) 1288 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,086 Ben Rickert. 1289 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,561 Did you get a chance to look at what we sent you, Ben? 1290 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,802 It's Charlie. I'm here, too. 1291 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,921 Hi, Charlie. Yeah, I did. Hold on. 1292 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:37,961 Ben, you still there? 1293 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,241 Yeah. 1294 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,008 I'll be honest, gentlemen. 1295 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,043 It scared the shit out of me. 1296 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:45,525 But that's a good thing, right? 1297 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,444 That means this Vennett guy's not wrong. 1298 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:50,201 No, he's not. 1299 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:53,927 Cool. 1300 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,570 Tell me more about these CDOs. 1301 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,440 JAMIE: Yeah, yeah. Okay, so, you know, Vennett mentions the CDOs, 1302 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,090 but actually, we took a look 1303 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:02,810 and they're way worse than even he realises. 1304 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,331 These things don't make any sense! 1305 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,686 JAMIE: We can't even model them. 1306 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,491 These are 100 times bigger than the MBS. 1307 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,130 And 90% AAA-rated. 1308 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,964 - Yes! Exactly! - Over 90%. 1309 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,206 It's incredible. 1310 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,483 I took a good hard look at the CDOs you want to short. 1311 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,606 They're brilliant. Worthless. Total crap. 1312 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,448 - Jamie. Very good. - (LAUGHS) 1313 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,047 What can I say? I'm good at finding shit. 1314 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,885 CHARLIE: So, Ben, we shorted the BB's and the BBB's, 1315 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,048 and the risk is relatively low. 1316 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,771 - Payoff is, like, 25-to-1. - Yeah. 1317 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,248 Okay, so, why are you calling me? I don't do this any more. 1318 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:39,481 Look, Ben? 1319 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,521 We need you to help us get the ISDA. 1320 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,723 If we get a hunting license, we can short this crap. 1321 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,961 And we know you hate Wall Street. 1322 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:50,241 We're not asking you to do the trading. 1323 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,291 We're simply asking you to help us get a seat 1324 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,563 at the fucking table. 1325 00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,563 It's a pretty ugly table, guys. 1326 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:04,646 Look, Ben, the system fucked up in a big, big way here, okay? 1327 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,802 And somehow, uh, 1328 01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,811 we know before anyone else. 1329 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,084 You know? This is a once-in-a-lifetime deal. 1330 01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:16,641 I'm thinking. 1331 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,683 Okay. I'll call Deutsche Bank. 1332 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,001 Thank you, Ben. Thank you. 1333 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,687 And Bear. What about Bear? They have some reprehensible product. 1334 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,321 Okay. Bear will trade with anybody. 1335 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,245 All right. I'll see if I can push it through. 1336 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,163 Thank you, Noah. And thank Jared for us. 1337 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,326 Couldn't we go inside? 1338 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:29,646 Yeah, me, too. 1339 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,121 Hi. It's Mark. I need to talk to Vinnie right now. 1340 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,602 We're just asking you to explain to us 1341 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,241 just how it is that you are fucking us, 1342 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:23,560 because what we are seeing... 1343 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:27,845 Morgan Stanley building, fast. 1344 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,206 Are we hooked up to the same computer screen? 1345 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:32,964 It doesn't make any sense. 1346 01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,969 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 1347 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,251 MARK: Vinnie, you there? 1348 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:38,681 Mark, you there? 1349 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:39,761 Yeah, did you hear? 1350 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,604 Mortgage defaults have gone through the roof. 1351 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,091 Is anybody jumping off of buildings yet? 1352 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,401 Why would they? Subprime mortgage bond prices are up. 1353 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,527 What? 1354 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,922 Vennett wants $1.9 million more in collateral by close. 1355 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,286 Vennett's asking us to post collateral. 1356 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:52,771 What the hell is going on? 1357 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,808 We don't know, but Deutsche's on the phone demanding payment. 1358 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,723 Call Vennett. Call that little shit. 1359 01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,768 Call Vennett. Tell him to get his ass down here. 1360 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,649 So subprime loans go bad, 1361 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,963 but subprime bonds, which are made up of subprime loans, are more valuable? 1362 01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,486 I know. They want another $1.9 million by market close. 1363 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,807 What about the ratings agencies? Moody's, S&P... 1364 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,281 Are they downgrading the CDOs and mortgage bonds? 1365 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:12,407 Where are the ratings agencies at? 1366 01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,010 They're the fucking same. 1367 01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:15,610 No, they're all still AAA. 1368 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,160 What the hell? Are you fucking kidding me? 1369 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,322 Those fuckers! Those motherfuckers! 1370 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,410 They go public, and all they care about is their bottom line and their shit. 1371 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,209 Hey, Mark, that's not all. 1372 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:26,651 The Morgan Stanley risk guys are here. 1373 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,051 They called in Kathy Tao. 1374 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,327 They're trying to convince her to make us sell our swaps. 1375 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,607 Apparently, tying up six years of insurance payments 1376 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,444 in hopes of a housing Armageddon 1377 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:35,760 is not prudent investing. 1378 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,166 What did Kathy say? 1379 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,971 Nothing yet. She keeps asking if this is one of your crusades. 1380 01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,008 Okay, I want you to walk back in there 1381 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,684 and very calmly, very politely, 1382 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,445 tell the risk assessors to fuck off. 1383 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,244 And then meet me over at Standard & Poor's. 1384 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:49,845 We're gonna talk to Georgia. 1385 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,001 VINNIE: All right. Okay. 1386 01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:52,969 Get that fuck Jared Vennett in this office. 1387 01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,849 I'm gonna bash his fucking head in. 1388 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,487 (INAUDIBLE) 1389 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:01,444 Uh, gentlemen? 1390 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,603 I spoke with Mark Baum. He says to fuck off. 1391 01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,681 I can't see a damn thing. 1392 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,560 (SIGHS) My eye doctor's always busy. 1393 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,449 I end up taking any appointment they'll give me, 1394 01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,887 and then the whole morning gets shot to hell! 1395 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:31,530 So... 1396 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,530 All righty, 1397 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,440 FrontPoint Partners, 1398 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,327 how can Standard & Poor's help you? 1399 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:40,686 VINNIE: Well, we don't understand why 1400 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,411 the ratings agencies haven't downgraded subprime bonds 1401 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,563 since the underlying loans are clearly deteriorating. 1402 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,041 Well, the delinquency rates do have people worried, 1403 01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:50,884 but they're actually within our models. 1404 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,928 - So... - VINNIE: Says you. 1405 01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,526 ...you're convinced the underlying mortgages 1406 01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,046 in these bonds are solid loans. 1407 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,083 GEORGIA: That is our opinion, yes. 1408 01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,208 Have you looked at the loan-level data? 1409 01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,049 I mean, they're giving these loans 1410 01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,360 to anybody with a credit score and a pulse. 1411 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,091 Excuse me, sir. What do you think we do here all day? 1412 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:10,161 VINNIE: We're not sure. That's why we're here. 1413 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:11,366 Here's what I don't understand... 1414 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,169 We check, recheck, recheck again. 1415 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,566 MARK: If these mortgage bonds are so stable... 1416 01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,364 Perhaps you could check your friend. 1417 01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,442 MARK: ...have you ever refused to rate... 1418 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:19,925 VINNIE: Ma'am, that's delusional. 1419 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,081 GEORGIA: We stand behind them. 1420 01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:22,764 MARK: Georgia, have you ever refused to rate 1421 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,128 any of these bonds upper tranches AAA? 1422 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,804 Can we see the paperwork on those deals? 1423 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,882 I am under no obligation to share that information 1424 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,047 with you, whoever you might be. 1425 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:32,844 Just answer the question, Georgia. 1426 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,928 Can you name one time in the past year 1427 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,365 where you checked the tape 1428 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,650 and you didn't give the banks the AAA percentage they wanted? 1429 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,086 If we don't give them the ratings, 1430 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,083 they'll go to Moody's, right down the block. 1431 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,322 If we don't work with them, they will go to our competitors. 1432 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,163 Not our fault. Simply the way the world works. 1433 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,006 - VINNIE: Holy shit. - Yes, now you see. 1434 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,122 And I never said that. 1435 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,601 They're selling ratings for fees. 1436 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:07,647 A ratings shop. 1437 01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,564 You can afford to make less. Make less. 1438 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,529 Nobody said that. 1439 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,807 And it is not my decision. I have a boss. 1440 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,245 Are you kidding me? 1441 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,646 No, I am not "kidding you". 1442 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,007 How'd your boss do on the IPO? 1443 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:21,326 MARK: Is that the angle you're taking? 1444 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,007 So, now, anyone who has a boss can't be held responsible 1445 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:26,491 for doing shitty and illegal things. 1446 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,130 What are you, four? 1447 01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:32,489 No, I am not four, Mr. Baum. I am not, no. 1448 01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,962 And I wonder what your incentives might be. 1449 01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:37,605 Is it maybe in your best interest 1450 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,730 to have the ratings change? Is it, perhaps? 1451 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,051 How many credit default swaps do you own? Hmm? 1452 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,003 It doesn't make me wrong. 1453 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:50,161 No. 1454 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,402 It just makes you a hypocrite. 1455 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,124 (HEAVY METAL MUSIC PLAYING) 1456 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,002 Fuck! 1457 01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:36,201 BEN: Mortgage delinquencies went up 1458 01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,368 and the CDOs got more valuable. Unbelievable. 1459 01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,727 - Unbelievable. - We know. It's completely backwards. 1460 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,370 I just called an old friend at Bear. 1461 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,124 He didn't even know what a CDO is. 1462 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:48,569 JAMIE: Yeah, I just had to wire Bear and Deutsche $70,000. 1463 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,007 It's like two plus two equals 1464 01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:52,606 fish. 1465 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,365 CHARLIE: It's rigged. We bought into a rigged game. 1466 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,244 We're gonna lose everything. 1467 01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,800 I'm gonna have to move back in with my mom. 1468 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:01,765 Can't do that. 1469 01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,968 BEN: All right. Well, I got a colonic appointment. 1470 01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:05,724 Wait a minute. Hold on, Ben. 1471 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,131 Ben, look. 1472 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,601 Either the banks are clueless 1473 01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,967 and they don't know how to value these CDOs, 1474 01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:17,046 or they're such crooks that the CDOs are worth shit 1475 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:18,850 and they're hiding it. 1476 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,610 I think we should buy more swaps. 1477 01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:24,201 What? 1478 01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,282 Suck it up and pay up, fellas. We made a deal. 1479 01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,408 No way! No! 1480 01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:29,891 Are you fucking kidding me? 1481 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,321 Are you serious? You think this is a game? 1482 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:33,686 No. No. No. No. No. 1483 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,086 Yeah. Yeah. 1484 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,642 (ALL SHOUTING) 1485 01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,284 No! No! No! 1486 01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,084 BEN: No, seriously, a colonic once a year. 1487 01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:46,167 DANNY: Ass! 1488 01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,607 PORTER: And you got a matching little butler boy, you buttfuck! 1489 01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:49,681 (SIGHS) 1490 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,763 - Are you done? - DANNY: I think so, yeah. 1491 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,605 God! I pulled a muscle in my back from yelling. 1492 01:08:58,520 --> 01:08:59,521 Ow! 1493 01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,562 VINNIE: Mortgage defaults have done nothing but go up. 1494 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,089 Yet you quote us a higher price on the bonds. 1495 01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,042 Please explain that to me. There's no way that makes sense. 1496 01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,124 There's no way you're marking these swaps appropriately. 1497 01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,683 Why shouldn't we back out of this trade right now? 1498 01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:19,890 JARED: Didn't I say when we made this deal 1499 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,650 that the ratings agencies, the SEC 1500 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,206 and the big banks were clueless? Didn't I say that? 1501 01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:25,566 - CHRIS: Yes. - Didn't I say it? 1502 01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,489 Yes, you did. You did. 1503 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,085 Shut up. 1504 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,525 Now their foot's on fire, they think 1505 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,170 their steak is done, and you're surprised? 1506 01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,005 That's not stupidity. That's fraud. 1507 01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:36,844 Tell me the difference between stupid and illegal, 1508 01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,888 and I'll have my wife's brother arrested. 1509 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,200 (SNICKERS) 1510 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:41,761 That was funny. 1511 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,561 JARED: I guess you just don't realise how clueless the system really is. 1512 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,961 Yes, there's some shady shit going down, 1513 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,408 but trust me, it's fuelled by stupidity! 1514 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:53,965 Look at yourselves. 1515 01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,207 You know, you pass yourself off as cynical people 1516 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,681 but you still have some faith in the system, don't you? 1517 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,040 I don't. 1518 01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,010 Well, except for Vinnie. And who gives a shit? 1519 01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:06,844 - JAMIE: No way! - Look... 1520 01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,083 Either we're right or we're wrong in a giant, giant way. 1521 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,049 And if we're wrong, then we got to find someone 1522 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:13,770 to help us get out of this trade. 1523 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,605 I'm not feeling remotely confident that we're right. 1524 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,082 And if we're wrong, who's gonna tell us? 1525 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,642 Who understands this stuff? It makes no sense! 1526 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,001 (STATIC) 1527 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:27,849 BEN: I think we need to go to Vegas. 1528 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,127 - What's in Vegas? - Vegas? 1529 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,089 What the hell's in Las Vegas? 1530 01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,403 The American Securitization Forum is there next week. 1531 01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,926 Every bond and CDO salesman, subprime lender 1532 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,082 and swap trader is gonna be there. 1533 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,925 I'm telling you, your bet is against dumb money. 1534 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,810 It's about time you find out just how dumb that money really is. 1535 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,006 PORTER: God, I hate Vegas. 1536 01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,571 I hear the food has gotten really good in Vegas. 1537 01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,125 They have a Nobu now. 1538 01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:52,804 Would you fucking stop it? 1539 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:16,841 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1540 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,411 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1541 01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:40,201 CHARLIE: Any sense? 1542 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:41,845 BEN: And if a bond is "rich" it is... 1543 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,243 - I don't know, loaded with assets? - "Rich" just means overpriced. 1544 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,328 I can't sleep on planes, so I did my homework. 1545 01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,801 Okay, let's focus. What's our goal? 1546 01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,247 To figure out if this is a deal of a lifetime 1547 01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,129 or if everyone here knows something we don't 1548 01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,043 and we're gonna get royally screwed. 1549 01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,885 Right. Remember that when you meet with the guys from Bear. 1550 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,769 I set you up with a face-to-face. 1551 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,171 - Awesome. - Where is that? 1552 01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:06,564 Holy shit. Five years ago, Securitization was a loser convention. 1553 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,768 100, maybe 200 people would show. 1554 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,008 $500 billion a year later, you get this. 1555 01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:12,764 PORTER: There's a lot of smug-looking people in here, huh? 1556 01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,287 It's like someone hit a piñata filled with white people who suck at golf. 1557 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:17,885 I mean, who are all these clowns? 1558 01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:19,325 DANNY: Oh, come on. I think it looks fun. 1559 01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,882 MARK: Certainly. Vennett says these are the people we're betting against. 1560 01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,849 - Yeah, here we go. Here we go. - DANNY: There he is. 1561 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,684 Chris, on my left. Chris, on my left. 1562 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,281 Gentlemen. 1563 01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,921 When do we get a chance to face time with some of these lovely folks? 1564 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,445 Chris, give him the keycards. 1565 01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:34,766 Do you even know which keycards you're giving out? 1566 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:35,841 - You're just giving them out? - Thank you. 1567 01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,651 First of all, how was your travel? How are you? Uneventful? 1568 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:39,926 - Uneventful. - Okay. 1569 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:41,724 I've been here for six hours. I've already been to the gym, 1570 01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,165 I had two poached eggs 1571 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:44,890 and I played blackjack with Harry Dean Stanton. 1572 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,405 MARK: Thank you for your diary. 1573 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,484 Face time. I'd like some face time. 1574 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,050 Just remember. We're here to gather information. 1575 01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:51,531 We're gathering information, okay? 1576 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,046 We're not advertising our short position. All right? 1577 01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,724 We don't want to spook everybody. Can you do that? 1578 01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,325 I know you got a big mouth, you like to run it. 1579 01:12:57,440 --> 01:12:59,169 Can you just keep it shut for a few days? 1580 01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:00,366 Okay. Okay. 1581 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:02,289 Yeah, don't worry. We'll play nice. 1582 01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:03,726 Ladies and gentlemen. 1583 01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,041 Business is good. 1584 01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:07,531 Profits are strong 1585 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,570 and the mortgage continues to be the bedrock 1586 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,927 on which this economy is built. 1587 01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:14,765 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1588 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,204 And, yes, we had to take some losses 1589 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,568 in our subprime department last year, but those losses 1590 01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,291 will be contained at only 5%. 1591 01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:27,568 Now, in our residential sector... 1592 01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:28,846 VINNIE: Mark, it's not a Q and A. 1593 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,610 ...our rollout of those variable rate packages 1594 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,330 were gobbled up by the consumers! 1595 01:13:32,440 --> 01:13:34,488 MARK: I have a question, please. 1596 01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:37,281 Uh... 1597 01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:39,602 Sir, the Q and A is after my statements. 1598 01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,081 But you know what? You seem anxious. How can I help you? 1599 01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,083 - Thank you. How are you? - Fine, thank you. 1600 01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,243 Would you say that it is a possibility 1601 01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:51,968 or a probability that subprime losses stop at 5%? 1602 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:53,286 Thank you. 1603 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:58,161 I would say it is a very strong probability, indeed. 1604 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,211 So back to the residential sector. 1605 01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,448 When we rolled out the new variable rates package... 1606 01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,046 - MARK: Excuse me. - Um... (CHUCKLES) 1607 01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:08,567 Yes, sir. 1608 01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,042 Zero! Zero! 1609 01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,970 There is a 0% chance 1610 01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,806 that your subprime losses will stop at 5%. 1611 01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:19,961 - Zero. - (CELL PHONE CHIMES) 1612 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,610 Excuse me. 1613 01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:22,727 I have to take this. 1614 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,768 MAN: He must be from Bank of America. 1615 01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:25,881 (ALL LAUGHING) 1616 01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:29,131 - MAN: Our subprime department is fine. - No, I'm not doing anything right now. 1617 01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:30,770 MAN: As I was saying, our residential department... 1618 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,041 How are the kids? 1619 01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,521 MAN: ...consumers reacted to our packages... 1620 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,284 Mark Baum really did that. 1621 01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:37,646 When we were in Vegas, he did that. 1622 01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,848 He said that, he took the call. 1623 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,004 Now you see what I had to deal with? 1624 01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,243 (GUNFIRE) 1625 01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,365 (SHOUTING) 1626 01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:54,410 (WHOOPING) 1627 01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,848 Yeah, the Beretta... Meh. 1628 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,161 But this Uzi is fucking awesome! 1629 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,846 I need this CDO machine to run for another two years. 1630 01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,163 And then I'm rich as fuck and I got my house in Aspen. 1631 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,449 But do you have any concerns about the performance 1632 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,090 of the underlying securitizations? 1633 01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:12,969 It's easy to see that delinquencies 1634 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,930 and default rates are on the rise right now. 1635 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,207 Could you please stop being such a buzzkill, dude? 1636 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,126 We didn't bring you out here to talk about work, bro. 1637 01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:22,690 Why did you bring us out here? 1638 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,923 Because we need to be able to expense the ammo to a client. 1639 01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,044 I'm gonna go shoot some terrorists. Watch how it's done, boys! 1640 01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:30,486 CHARLIE: These guys are morons. 1641 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,284 - Fucking tool. - MAN: Whoo! 1642 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:33,607 These guys are morons. 1643 01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:35,961 Fuck, yes! Boom! 1644 01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:37,206 Yeah, man! 1645 01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,726 We need to be buying up every swap we can get our hands on here. 1646 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,041 Just hold on, okay? Hold on. 1647 01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,441 My brother's ex-girlfriend works for the SEC. 1648 01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,369 She just told me she's in town, okay? 1649 01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:48,647 So, if we're missing something, maybe she can tell me. 1650 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,324 You know, give me some insight. 1651 01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:52,204 In the meantime, you go to the main floor 1652 01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:53,964 and price some swaps. 1653 01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:55,891 JAMIE: (STAMMERS) Well, actually, we're 1654 01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,440 about to invest in housing bonds, and... 1655 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,205 I was wondering if the SEC is worried about them at all. 1656 01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,005 I know you're not allowed to tell me specifics, but just generally. 1657 01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,327 Oh, we don't investigate mortgage bonds. 1658 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,722 Truth is, since we got our budget cut, we don't investigate much. 1659 01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,724 - Then why are you here? I thought... - I'm not here for the SEC. 1660 01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,490 I'm here on my own dime. 1661 01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:20,683 I'm floating my resume to some big banks. 1662 01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,330 How's your brother, by the way? 1663 01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,289 How are you floating your resume to big banks? 1664 01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:25,771 I mean, you're supposed to be the ones, 1665 01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:27,211 you know, policing the big banks. 1666 01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:28,770 Grow up, Jamie. 1667 01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,606 There must be some kind of law against working for a financial institution 1668 01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,843 right after you've been working in financial regulation, right? 1669 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,002 No. No. 1670 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,686 (GASPS) Hey! Dougie! 1671 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,444 Hey! Come over here. What are you doing at Caesars? 1672 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,010 He's at Goldman. 1673 01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:48,681 See you. 1674 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:53,800 We can do BBB-level swaps at 500 basis points. Maybe. 1675 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,686 You're pricing the swaps like the bond is gonna collapse 1676 01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,201 even though the bond value's going up? Really? 1677 01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:01,960 Sign of the times. 1678 01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:03,041 CHARLIE: What the hell is going on? 1679 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,560 Lewis, can you come in early tomorrow, please? 1680 01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,927 I need to unload the AIG and Countrywide 1681 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,525 and Freddie Mac positions 1682 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,126 so that we can afford the premiums on the... 1683 01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:13,241 (SIGHS) 1684 01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,244 ...core mortgage shorts on the swaps. 1685 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,205 No problem, Dr. Burry. 1686 01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:21,401 - Dr. Burry? - Hmm? 1687 01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:24,321 (CLEARS THROAT) 1688 01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,047 If the investors withdraw, 1689 01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,885 what's going to happen here? Are we done? 1690 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,923 Honestly, I don't know. 1691 01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:36,889 (STAMMERS) 1692 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:40,841 The bonds aren't going down. 1693 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,765 They won't move. It's possible 1694 01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:49,768 that we are in a completely fraudulent system. 1695 01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,851 Or... (STAMMERS) You're wrong. 1696 01:18:58,600 --> 01:18:59,681 Sure. 1697 01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:04,485 It's possible I'm wrong. I just don't know how. 1698 01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:13,324 I guess when someone's wrong, they never... 1699 01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,961 They never know how. 1700 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:21,287 LEWIS: See you in the morning. 1701 01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:22,487 Yeah. 1702 01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,282 Even Bear upped their prices. 1703 01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,366 And they keep calling us Brownhole. 1704 01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,044 You just don't have the money or the reputation. 1705 01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:32,525 Don't take it personally. 1706 01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:33,931 I don't think I have the strip club in me tonight. 1707 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:37,641 I'm just gonna get some ginger ale and watch some pay-per-view. 1708 01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,121 I'll book us some flights out for the morning. 1709 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,171 CHARLIE: (STAMMERS) A deal. We need a deal, right? A deal. 1710 01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,049 We need a deal we can afford. 1711 01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,447 We need a deal that they're not gonna refuse. 1712 01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,888 So... What can we do? We can... 1713 01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,084 The AA tranches. What if we bet against the AA tranches? 1714 01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:57,571 Who's not gonna take that bet? 1715 01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,124 We know they say they're 95% AAA-rated, 1716 01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,202 but in reality they're more like 25%. 1717 01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,726 Some of them are 0%! 1718 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,485 We also know that if the bottom tranches fail at over 8%, 1719 01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:09,686 the upper tranches are affected. 1720 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:10,966 They go to zero. 1721 01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,210 I'll bet you right now that those AA's are actually like B's. 1722 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,723 I rarely ever say these words, but I think Charlie's right. 1723 01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:19,730 Look, Ben. 1724 01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:22,811 The payoff 1725 01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:24,731 is 200 to 1. 1726 01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:26,922 But they're all taking the ratings at face value. 1727 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,402 So they're charging pennies on the dollar a bet against the AA's. 1728 01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,844 Just when I start thinking you guys are clowns... 1729 01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,400 No one on the planet's betting against AA's. 1730 01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,410 The banks will think we're either high or having a stroke. 1731 01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:42,841 They'll take every dime we have to offer. 1732 01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:46,771 Kinda brilliant. 1733 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:50,648 This is what we did that no one else thought of. 1734 01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,690 Not even Baum or Burry thought to short the AA's. 1735 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,125 But we did. 1736 01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:56,929 Little Brownhole Capital. 1737 01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:02,002 We're interested in shorting some of the AA tranche of CDOs. 1738 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,844 Come on, guys, what's the angle? 1739 01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,281 Oh, got no angle. We're new to this. We're just excited. 1740 01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:10,126 We want to do $15 million in swaps on the AA tranche. 1741 01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:11,601 I don't understand. 1742 01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,326 You can buy as much AA tranche as you want. 1743 01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,682 $40 million against the AA. 1744 01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,967 Brother, I will sell you as much as you want. 1745 01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,481 You understand perfectly, Bob. You want the deal? 1746 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:25,561 (MEN LAUGHING) 1747 01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,642 That's cool. That's all right with me. 1748 01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,046 Pleasure. 1749 01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,769 Oh! (VOCALISING) 1750 01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,209 - Don't do that. Stop. Stop. - (CONTINUES VOCALISING) 1751 01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,120 - Stop that. - Charlie. 1752 01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,290 Stop it! Stop. 1753 01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:48,841 What? 1754 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:51,565 Do you have any idea what you just did? 1755 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:53,650 Come on. We just made the deal of our lifetimes! 1756 01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:54,921 We should celebrate. 1757 01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:56,923 You just bet against the American economy. 1758 01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:58,490 Fuck, yeah, we did! 1759 01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,568 - Fuck, yeah! - Which means... 1760 01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,291 Which means if we're right... 1761 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,722 If we're right, people lose homes. People lose jobs. 1762 01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,009 People lose retirement savings. People lose pensions. 1763 01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:12,286 You know what I hate about fucking banking? 1764 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:13,930 It reduces people to numbers. Here's a number. 1765 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,810 Every 1 % unemployment goes up, 40,000 people die. Did you know that? 1766 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:18,450 - No. - Did you know that? 1767 01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,090 No, I didn't know that. 1768 01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,204 We were just excited. 1769 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,602 Just don't fucking dance. 1770 01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,123 CHARLIE: All right. JAMIE: Where are you going? 1771 01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:36,687 Whoa, I just got really scared. 1772 01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,123 First of all, great show today. 1773 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:41,690 - You were terrific. - Thank you. 1774 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,364 Your big mouth was a revelation. 1775 01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:45,204 I appreciate that. 1776 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,044 You worried you and your swaps are getting played? 1777 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,283 Well, this is an opportunity for you to meet who you're betting against. 1778 01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,129 Try not to get too righteous and listen a little. 1779 01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:53,611 Okay, fine. Who is this guy? 1780 01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,404 JAMIE: A real solid-gold asshole. 1781 01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:56,641 I'm a CDO manager. 1782 01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:57,807 A "CDO manager"? 1783 01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,325 Yeah, at Harding Advisors. 1784 01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:03,043 I didn't realise that there was anything to manage with CDOs. 1785 01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:05,007 MR. CHAU: Oh. 1786 01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,291 We select the securities that go into the CDO portfolio 1787 01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:09,725 and monitor the assets. 1788 01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:11,643 I do most of Merrill Lynch's CDOs. 1789 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,644 Do you represent the investors or Merrill Lynch? 1790 01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:15,807 The investors. 1791 01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:16,927 You do. 1792 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,331 - Yeah. - But... 1793 01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,409 Merrill Lynch isn't gonna send you any customers 1794 01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:24,041 unless you put Merrill Lynch's bonds in your CDO. 1795 01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,891 Good question. Let's just say Merrill and I have, um... 1796 01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,602 We have a good relationship. 1797 01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,922 You have a good relationship with Merrill Lynch. 1798 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,684 We've been doing business together for a long time. 1799 01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,286 And so the CDOs that you create 1800 01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:41,285 are of the highest quality and the highest value. 1801 01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,283 - Absolutely. Yep. - Absolutely. 1802 01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,887 Are you at all concerned about the rising default rates? 1803 01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:52,049 I assume no risk for these products myself, Mark. 1804 01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:55,886 Okay. 1805 01:23:57,440 --> 01:24:00,603 So let me get this straight. The bank calls you up. 1806 01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:02,770 They give you the bonds they want to sell. 1807 01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,171 They give you clients, 1808 01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,641 they give you money to run your business. 1809 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,404 Give you fat fees for doing so. 1810 01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:10,522 But you represent the investors? 1811 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:11,801 (CHUCKLES) 1812 01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:13,087 Is that right? 1813 01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:14,247 Yeah. 1814 01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:15,805 But we're not in the Merrill Lynch building. 1815 01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:17,484 - Okay. Where are you? - We're in New Jersey. 1816 01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,642 You're 20 minutes away. 1817 01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:21,643 Well, five if you use a helicopter. 1818 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:24,646 That's funny, huh? 1819 01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:25,926 That's hilarious. 1820 01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,208 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1821 01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:30,207 Oh, boy. 1822 01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,767 Your boss is about to explode. 1823 01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:34,484 No, he's too curious to explode. 1824 01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,085 Hold on. Say that again. 1825 01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,242 CDO "A" has parts of CDO "B". 1826 01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,243 And CDO "B" has parts of CDO "A". 1827 01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,561 But then they both get put inside CDO "C". 1828 01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,409 Yeah, that one's called CDO squared. 1829 01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:46,608 A CDO of a CDO. 1830 01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,001 All right? 1831 01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,128 And then there's CDOs made up of the opposite side 1832 01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,770 of the bet you made with your swaps. 1833 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,287 We call them synthetic CDOs. 1834 01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:56,602 What did you say? Synthetic CDOs. 1835 01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,409 That is fucking crazy. 1836 01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,170 It's not. It's awesome. 1837 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,127 His face is starting to boil. He looks like the bad guy from Dune. 1838 01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:09,121 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1839 01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,123 All right, let's say 1840 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,968 you have a pool of $50 million in subprime loans. 1841 01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,886 How much money could be out there betting on it, 1842 01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,804 in your synthetic CDOs and swaps 1843 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:22,450 right now, tonight? 1844 01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,126 Let's see, $50 million... Hmm... 1845 01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:27,121 A billion dollars. 1846 01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:28,201 What? 1847 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,203 JARED: If the mortgage bonds that Michael Burry discovered 1848 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:32,645 were the match... 1849 01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,486 How much bigger is the market for insuring mortgage bonds 1850 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,005 than actual mortgages? 1851 01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:40,406 About 20 times. 1852 01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,602 JARED: If the mortgage bonds were the match 1853 01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,411 and the CDOs were the kerosene-soaked rags, 1854 01:25:45,480 --> 01:25:47,528 then the synthetic CDO was the atomic bomb 1855 01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,570 with the drunk President holding his finger over the button. 1856 01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,881 It was at that moment in that dumb restaurant 1857 01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,163 with that stupid look on his face that Mark Baum realised 1858 01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,641 that the whole world economy might collapse. 1859 01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:04,203 And I know what you're thinking. 1860 01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,647 "What the fuck is a synthetic CDO?" 1861 01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:07,761 (CROWD CHEERING) 1862 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,686 Well, here's Dr. Richard Thaler, father of behavioural economics 1863 01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,331 and Selena Gomez to explain. 1864 01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,843 Okay. So here's how a synthetic CDO works. 1865 01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,844 Let's say I bet $10 million on a blackjack hand. 1866 01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,400 $10 million because this hand is meant to represent 1867 01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,001 a single mortgage bond. 1868 01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,442 Okay, Selena has a pretty good hand here, showing 18. 1869 01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:34,521 Dealer showing seven. 1870 01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,682 That's a really good hand for Selena. 1871 01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:38,171 Good odds. In fact, her chances of winning 1872 01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,607 this hand are 87%. 1873 01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:44,082 So, my odds are good. I'm on a winning streak. 1874 01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,845 Everybody in this place wants to get in on the action. 1875 01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:48,285 How could I lose, right? 1876 01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:49,885 Now, this is a classic error. 1877 01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,930 In basketball it's called the Hot Hand Fallacy. 1878 01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,571 A player makes a bunch of shots in a row. 1879 01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,927 People are sure they're gonna make the next one. 1880 01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,968 People think that whatever's happening now 1881 01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,805 is gonna continue to happen into the future. 1882 01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,248 During the real estate boom, markets were going up and up 1883 01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:07,970 and people thought they would never go down. 1884 01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,611 So people who are watching and think that I won't lose 1885 01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:12,170 will make a side bet. 1886 01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,481 Now, this is the first synthetic CDO. 1887 01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,164 I love Selena Gomez. 1888 01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:17,730 I bet you $50 million she wins. 1889 01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,928 And I'll give you 3-to-1 odds. 1890 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,846 3-to-1 odds? Okay, I'll take that bet. 1891 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,242 RICHARD: Now, somebody else is gonna want to make a bet 1892 01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:28,481 on the outcome of their bet. 1893 01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:29,761 Bet you 50 million she wins. 1894 01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,810 That will lead to synthetic CDO number two. 1895 01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,043 Hey, I bet you $200 million that lady in the glasses 1896 01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:37,725 wins that bet. 1897 01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,963 She probably will win. So I want a great payoff. 1898 01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:42,201 How about 20-to-1? 1899 01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:43,486 Deal. 1900 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:48,089 And this will go on and on with more and more synthetic CDOs. 1901 01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:52,250 And we can transform an original $10 million investment 1902 01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,323 into billions of dollars. 1903 01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:56,571 You okay? 1904 01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,001 No. 1905 01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:02,203 I actually feel pretty sick. 1906 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,370 (ALL GROAN) 1907 01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:06,885 (GROANING CONTINUES) 1908 01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,323 So I'm going to leave. 1909 01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,161 You think I'm a parasite, don't you, Mr. Baum? 1910 01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,805 But, apparently, society values me very much. 1911 01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,604 In fact, let's do this. 1912 01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,644 I'll tell you how much I'm worth. 1913 01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:27,690 You tell me how much you're worth. 1914 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:33,966 God, you are an incredibly big piece of shit. 1915 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,609 Short everything that guy has touched. 1916 01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,330 I want half a billion more in swaps. 1917 01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,087 You sure about that? The collateral calls could bankrupt you. 1918 01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:47,161 MARK: Yeah. Yeah. 1919 01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:48,207 Where are you going? 1920 01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,329 I am going to try to find moral redemption 1921 01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,209 at the roulette table. 1922 01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,404 (INAUDIBLE) 1923 01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:58,811 Hey, hey, hey! 1924 01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:04,330 Things are worse than I thought. 1925 01:30:06,440 --> 01:30:08,363 I honestly think the economy might collapse. 1926 01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:09,921 But you've been saying 1927 01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,083 that the system's broken for years, Mark. So... 1928 01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,443 Why are you so shocked? 1929 01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:21,407 It's more twisted than I could have imagined. 1930 01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,329 You love to be the virtuous one. 1931 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,370 I'm a banker. I'm a part of it. 1932 01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:27,767 You always have, Mark. Like you're untainted. 1933 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:31,322 It changed me. It changed me into a person 1934 01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:33,769 who is not able to reach out to someone... 1935 01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:35,729 He was in pain. My brother was in real pain. 1936 01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,687 There's no perfect way to help. 1937 01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,126 It's sad. It's scary. 1938 01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:47,403 So stop trying to fix the world. 1939 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:48,567 He told me... 1940 01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,005 You're not a saint. 1941 01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:51,889 Saints don't live on Park Avenue. 1942 01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:53,644 ...that he was having bad thoughts. 1943 01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,525 CYNTHIA: Just feel the feelings like the rest of us. 1944 01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:01,044 MARK: My first response was to offer him some money. 1945 01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,886 I offered him fucking money! 1946 01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:05,930 (INAUDIBLE) 1947 01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:12,166 His face was so smashed. 1948 01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:25,369 (SOBBING) 1949 01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:32,571 That's right. 1950 01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:45,320 (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) 1951 01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:46,726 (MOANING) 1952 01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,007 (SCREAMING) 1953 01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:40,606 MIKE'S WIFE: Michael? 1954 01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:42,045 - Michael? - Yes. Yes. 1955 01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:44,242 - Is everything okay? - Yes, honey. 1956 01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,402 - You sure? - Yeah, baby. 1957 01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:49,486 I'm fine. (LAUGHS) 1958 01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:00,130 MIKE: To all investors. 1959 01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:01,326 As you may know, 1960 01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,881 our agreement allows me to take extraordinary measures 1961 01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:09,244 when markets aren't functioning properly. 1962 01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:13,041 I currently have reason to believe the mortgage bond market 1963 01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:15,529 is fraudulent. 1964 01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:22,447 So, in order to protect investors from this fraudulent market, 1965 01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,729 I've decided to restrict investors' withdrawals 1966 01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:27,484 until further notice. 1967 01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,526 Sincerely, Dr. Michael J. Burry. 1968 01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:42,729 (HEAVY METAL MUSIC PLAYING) 1969 01:33:43,480 --> 01:33:44,811 (COMPUTER CHIMES) 1970 01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:55,126 (PHONES RINGING) 1971 01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:07,606 (SNIFFLES) 1972 01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:40,644 LAUREN CONRAD: (ON TV) I never would have guessed my life 1973 01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,200 could change as much as it has since I moved to L.A. 1974 01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,687 JASON WAHLER: It's not just, like, that easy to, like, not see you. 1975 01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,843 REPORTER: He lashed out at rumours he used performance enhancing drugs. 1976 01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:50,485 This record is not tainted. 1977 01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:51,726 Oh, my God, dude. 1978 01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:53,529 Will you please stop changing the channels? 1979 01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:55,250 - You're driving me crazy. - All right. 1980 01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:57,288 - Fine. - Just put the business news on. 1981 01:34:58,240 --> 01:34:59,401 REPORTER: ...and the S&P picked up three points. 1982 01:34:59,480 --> 01:35:00,481 Jesus! 1983 01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:02,369 Mortgage meltdown continued today. 1984 01:35:02,440 --> 01:35:05,125 Subprime mortgage lender New Century Financial, 1985 01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:07,891 once the industry leader, by the way, filed for bankruptcy. 1986 01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:09,041 - The company immediately... - Whoa, whoa, whoa. 1987 01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:10,326 (REPORTER CLEARS THROAT) 1988 01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:11,686 Good time for my voice to go... 1989 01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,047 Fired 3,200 workers. 1990 01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,407 The manufacturing index also fell in the month of March... 1991 01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:17,601 It's starting. 1992 01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,250 ...a warning that economic growth could slow. 1993 01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:20,810 The Institute of Supply Management 1994 01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:22,405 also reported a rise in prices... 1995 01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:24,050 I'm gonna call my mom. 1996 01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,210 The principal source of the slowdown in economic growth... 1997 01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,328 Time and time and time again, 1998 01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:33,568 I have gone to bat for you, Mark! 1999 01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:34,926 We've known each other for seven years... 2000 01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,361 She's got some lungs on her. I'm impressed. 2001 01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,363 I can't help but enjoy it. 2002 01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:42,930 PORTER: There's no fucking way. There's no fucking way 2003 01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,490 that the big banks are that stupid. 2004 01:35:45,480 --> 01:35:47,323 Bye, Kathy! 2005 01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,001 VINNIE: Well? 2006 01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:56,162 MARK: (SIGHS) Kathy thinks that it would be a good idea 2007 01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:57,810 if we sold our shorts. 2008 01:35:57,880 --> 01:35:58,881 PORTER: What else is new? 2009 01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:00,849 And she said that Morgan Stanley will buy them. 2010 01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:01,921 DANNY: Holy shit! 2011 01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:03,920 What did you say? 2012 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,650 I told her we're not selling shit. 2013 01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:08,966 (WHISTLES) 2014 01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,686 Uh, if you need the files for 2005... 2015 01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,849 Mr. Fields' suit is very specific to files from the past year. 2016 01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,325 Good. Then get out. Say hi to Lawrence for me. 2017 01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:23,561 Will do. 2018 01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,524 (CELL PHONE RINGING) 2019 01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:28,284 You can't call me back for a week? 2020 01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,203 LUCY: I am so sorry, Mike. 2021 01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,803 Goldman had a systems failure. I lost a ton of messages. 2022 01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:35,882 Yeah, B of A said they had a power outage, 2023 01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,209 and Morgan Stanley said their server crashed. 2024 01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:40,486 Huh. That's weird. 2025 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,040 Well, I would call it improbable. 2026 01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:46,727 So where do you have our position marked? 2027 01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,289 I think it's the same, Mike. 2028 01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:51,243 What? Can you explain that to me, please, 2029 01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:54,642 because how can the value of an insurance contract 2030 01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:58,884 not be affected by the demise of the very thing it insures? 2031 01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,810 They're independent markets. They're not always correlated. 2032 01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:02,842 I know it sounds odd, 2033 01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:05,406 but these are very complicated products. 2034 01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:08,163 They are correlated. 2035 01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,208 They're gonna lose their houses, they're gonna lose their jobs, 2036 01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:11,281 they're gonna lose their... 2037 01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,003 Will you listen to me? 2038 01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:18,846 This is like the end of capitalism. 2039 01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:22,282 This is like the Dark Ages all over again. 2040 01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:24,481 I don't want to talk to Dad. 2041 01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:27,080 Okay, I love you, too. Save your money. 2042 01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:31,805 She says I need to be on Xanax and double my dose of Zoloft. 2043 01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:33,928 I asked Bear Stearns to price our shorts. 2044 01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:35,604 They tell me the CDOs still haven't moved. 2045 01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:37,489 CHARLIE: This is fucking insane! 2046 01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:39,085 You realise that? These people are crooks 2047 01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:41,208 and they should be in prison. 2048 01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:42,486 Look at the TABX. 2049 01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:44,409 You can see that the CDOs are worth zero! 2050 01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:45,481 So you know what they're doing, huh? 2051 01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:46,647 You know what they're doing, right? 2052 01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,444 Yeah. They're unloading them. 2053 01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:51,842 They're selling their dog shit CDOs, then they go to another bank 2054 01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:53,962 and short the shit they just fucking sold! 2055 01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:55,724 Let's go to the press, man! 2056 01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:59,088 This is a massive story. Who wouldn't publish it? 2057 01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:01,371 Robert Redford! 2058 01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:03,245 No, you don't understand! 2059 01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:04,890 CASEY: I got it, guys. I got it. 2060 01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:08,210 What am I supposed to do? 2061 01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:09,964 Do you want me to write a piece called "We're All Fucked"? 2062 01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:11,969 Yes! That's a perfect title! 2063 01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:16,250 Casey, right now every bank in town is unloading these shit bonds 2064 01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,129 onto unsuspecting customers. 2065 01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:21,249 And they won't devalue them until they get them off their books. 2066 01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:23,721 This level of criminality is unprecedented, 2067 01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,087 even on fucking Wall Street. 2068 01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:30,044 Jamie... And this is me being honest here, okay? 2069 01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:32,926 It took me years to build my relationships on Wall Street. 2070 01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:37,130 No bank or ratings agency is going to confirm a story like this 2071 01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:39,726 just because it comes from two guys in a... 2072 01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:43,083 Sorry, garage band hedge fund that thinks it's the apocalypse. 2073 01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:44,241 (SIGHS) 2074 01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:45,761 Wow. 2075 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:47,160 I thought you were for real, Casey. 2076 01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:48,606 You know, I'll have to say I really did. 2077 01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:49,841 CASEY: Really? 2078 01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,162 Yeah, Jamie, you try being for real with a three-year-old 2079 01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:54,089 and a wife getting her master's degree. 2080 01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,682 I'm not gonna burn my reputation on your wild hunch. 2081 01:38:58,520 --> 01:38:59,681 Wow. 2082 01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:01,001 - Wow. - (CASEY SIGHS) 2083 01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:02,247 Thanks for coming, guys. 2084 01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:03,486 Totally fucking awesome to see you. 2085 01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,562 Yeah, Casey. I've always hated you, 2086 01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,682 because you were a prick in college 2087 01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,127 and you are a prick today! 2088 01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,086 Thanks, Charlie. Still living with your mom? 2089 01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:15,125 JAMIE: Charlie, come on! 2090 01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,089 MARK: Mark Baum again. Call me. 2091 01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:19,290 Subprime bonds fell off a cliff. 2092 01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,328 Rumour has it the default numbers are huge. 2093 01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,210 Who got the remittance data early? I bet it's Goldman. 2094 01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:25,645 VINNIE: Yeah, fuck you very much. 2095 01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,564 Jared, it's chaos down here. Where are we? 2096 01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:32,203 "And Caesar wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer." 2097 01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:35,046 Shane? 2098 01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:36,640 Shane? 2099 01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:40,925 Well, nobody's buying CDO or mortgage bonds any more 2100 01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:42,331 and everybody wants swaps. 2101 01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:44,961 Swaps are now the most popular product on the street. 2102 01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:46,889 - That's good for us. - Yes and no. 2103 01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:48,411 I heard from somebody who heard from somebody... 2104 01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:51,245 No, Alex, no. Sorry. 2105 01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,209 Bennie Cleager over at Morgan is taking on 2106 01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:57,930 some heavy losses in the bond department. 2107 01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:00,925 Your ship might be taking on water. 2108 01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,767 It might be time to get our lifejacket and get out. 2109 01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:06,005 I'm jacked. 2110 01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:09,046 I'm jacked! I'm jacked to the tits! 2111 01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:10,727 Good. 2112 01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:12,882 - Do you feel it? - No. 2113 01:40:14,440 --> 01:40:16,283 (TOILET FLUSHING) 2114 01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:20,525 What'd you hear, Tommy? 2115 01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:23,681 It's happening. 2116 01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:25,603 PORTER: Everybody wants our swaps. 2117 01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:27,802 Kathy's office is looking for you. 2118 01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:30,606 DANNY: They're singing a different tune now, aren't they? 2119 01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:33,450 That's not good. 2120 01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:39,611 Maybe later. Not now. 2121 01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,121 This is a joke. Never. 2122 01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:43,321 (CELL PHONE RINGING) 2123 01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:46,687 Listening. 2124 01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:48,724 - DEEB: Dr. Burry? - Yeah. 2125 01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:50,165 Deeb Winston, Goldman Sachs. 2126 01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:51,770 Listen, I've been reviewing your position. 2127 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,081 I wanted to discuss your marks and make sure they're fair. 2128 01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:57,004 (STAMMERS) Yeah, I think you mean that you've 2129 01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:59,845 secured a net short position yourselves. 2130 01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:02,810 So you're free to mark my swaps accurately for once 2131 01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,645 because it's now in your interest to do so. 2132 01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:09,848 I'm not sure what you want me to say. 2133 01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:11,530 I think that... 2134 01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,168 I think that you've already said it. 2135 01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,082 You tell Jeff at Goldman that I'm not transferring funds. 2136 01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:26,844 This is bullshit! 2137 01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:32,600 (KNOCKS) 2138 01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:35,729 Okay, we'll talk later. 2139 01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:37,690 Thank you. 2140 01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:40,087 (SIGHS) 2141 01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,003 Thanks for coming so quickly, Mark. 2142 01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:43,445 - Yeah. - Um... 2143 01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:44,960 I know you've been hearing rumblings 2144 01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:46,565 about some losses Morgan has suffered. 2145 01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:48,603 - Congratulations. - On what? 2146 01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:50,287 Oh. 2147 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,485 Thanks. Um... 2148 01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:53,925 Having fun? 2149 01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:56,291 Yes. (LAUGHS) 2150 01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:58,885 Tons. Um... 2151 01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:01,681 I just wanted you to know that, um... 2152 01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:03,969 That, yes, Morgan has suffered some losses, 2153 01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:07,806 but our liquidity is strong and there's no cause for concern. 2154 01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:10,884 Would Bennie Cleager be concerned? 2155 01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:12,531 Because word on the street 2156 01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,444 is that he took some pretty heavy losses. 2157 01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,569 Kathy, come on. We know each other. 2158 01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:20,881 - (SIGHS) - What's going on? 2159 01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:22,770 How bad is this? 2160 01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:24,081 Okay. 2161 01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:27,963 Two years ago, Bennie Cleager in Morgan's bond department 2162 01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:31,567 also started shorting subprime housing, $2 billion in BBBs. 2163 01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:32,880 Bennie is smarter than I thought. 2164 01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:34,411 No, he's not smart at all. 2165 01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:36,847 The premiums on the swap ate into his desk's profit. 2166 01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:38,928 To cover his BBB shorts, 2167 01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,480 he sold a lot of A and AA swaps as protection. 2168 01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:42,561 A lot. 2169 01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:46,443 He believed that there was no way that they could be affected. 2170 01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:50,402 Tell me Morgan Stanley doesn't hold the contracts on these swaps. 2171 01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:55,250 Holy shit. 2172 01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:59,288 All this time I've been trying to figure out who I'm betting against, 2173 01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,443 and it's Morgan Stanley. 2174 01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:03,691 Which is me. 2175 01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:07,761 What's your exposure? $3 billion? 2176 01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:10,483 Please, don't tell me it's more than four. 2177 01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:12,290 I can't answer that. I can't answer that. 2178 01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:15,523 Yes, you can answer that, because I walk in here 2179 01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,683 and people are crying in your hallway. 2180 01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:20,281 Kathy, 2181 01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:22,808 you bring me in to tell me everything's fine, 2182 01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:24,120 and everything's not fine. 2183 01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:26,603 What, what is happening? 2184 01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,002 The long exposure is... 2185 01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:34,450 ...$15 billion. 2186 01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:41,526 Jesus! 2187 01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:43,961 He kept saying defaults over 8% were impossible. 2188 01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:45,041 MARK: Oh, my God. 2189 01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:46,360 That there would be a million homeless! 2190 01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:50,041 Yeah, but we have nothing to do with Morgan Stanley. 2191 01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:54,166 Yeah... 2192 01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:56,323 Tell the bankruptcy court. 2193 01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:59,649 Morgan fails, all our accounts go on their balance sheet. 2194 01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:01,924 DANNY: It's just crazy. 2195 01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:03,451 Morgan makes the sucker's bet 2196 01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,887 and we pay their fucking gambling debt? 2197 01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:08,886 Short the bank stocks. Then we wait. 2198 01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:14,842 Or we sell our swaps when the market opens. 2199 01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,609 We get our bonuses, our investors get their profits, we get... 2200 01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:22,160 What, 30 cents on the dollar? It's not bad. 2201 01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:23,965 We're three times that. 2202 01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:25,769 Not if there's no market left to sell them in. 2203 01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,763 Forget it. We're not giving out any lifeboats. 2204 01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,241 VINNIE: If Morgan goes under, we end up with nothing. 2205 01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:31,321 Vinnie. 2206 01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:36,249 Jesus, come on. I say when we sell. 2207 01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,761 Look, I get that this is personal for you, 2208 01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,121 but we have a fiduciary responsibility. 2209 01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:46,690 No. No, we don't. 2210 01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:49,162 Nobody's acting responsible. 2211 01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:52,091 Fuck responsibility. Are you kidding me? 2212 01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:54,688 The assholes at the big banks will take... 2213 01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:55,807 WOMAN: You boys want any appetisers? 2214 01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:57,644 MARK: We're talking, please! 2215 01:44:58,360 --> 01:44:59,885 - Excuse us. - Sorry. 2216 01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,805 We are going to wait, and we are going to wait, 2217 01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:06,445 and we are going to wait 2218 01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:10,400 until they feel the pain, until they start to bleed. 2219 01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:12,802 - That is what I want. - But what about our clients 2220 01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:14,211 who've entrusted us with their savings... 2221 01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:15,486 I say when we sell. 2222 01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:16,561 This isn't about you. 2223 01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:17,880 This isn't about you and your Upper East Side 2224 01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:19,086 - mahogany soapbox. - Hey! Hey! 2225 01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:20,571 I say when we sell! 2226 01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:23,929 DANNY: Whatever you say, Mark. 2227 01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:32,369 Dude, did you hear the news? 2228 01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:36,527 Okay. So, not only do two mortgage hedge funds 2229 01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:38,404 backed by Bear Stearns go belly up, 2230 01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:41,643 but now there's a class-action lawsuit against Bear. 2231 01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:42,881 CHARLIE: Holy shit! 2232 01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:45,531 Let's go! Push! Push! 2233 01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:47,011 So, what? Bear could really collapse here. 2234 01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:48,844 - This is a risk we really shouldn't take. - Then what? 2235 01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:50,922 JAMIE: We bought 80% of our swaps at Bear. 2236 01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:52,604 - We'd lose everything. - So what? 2237 01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:54,091 - Hey, sir? - One second! 2238 01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:55,207 That's my opinion. 2239 01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:56,520 We bought these fucking things. 2240 01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:57,726 We have no clue how to sell them. 2241 01:45:57,800 --> 01:45:59,245 I know. We have to get Ben to do it. 2242 01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:01,322 I've been trying to call him and he won't get back to me. 2243 01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:03,641 No. He's on vacation with his wife's family. 2244 01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:04,966 They're in England. 2245 01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:06,881 What? 2246 01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:08,240 (BELL RINGING SOFTLY) 2247 01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:09,566 (TYPING ON COMPUTER) 2248 01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,482 (MEN TALKING INDISTINCTLY) 2249 01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:16,204 JAMIE: Hello, Ben. Hey. BEN: Guys? 2250 01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:17,884 Yeah, we're here. Can you hear us? 2251 01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:19,450 - Guys? - CHARLIE: Yeah, we got you. 2252 01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:22,405 BEN: Yeah. I hardly got cell phone or Wi-Fi service. 2253 01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:26,131 I'm trying to sell $200 million worth of securities. 2254 01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:28,801 In a pub. It smells like sheep. 2255 01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:30,121 You can do this. 2256 01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:31,361 CHARLIE: I don't want to pressure you, Ben 2257 01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:34,011 but if you don't pull this off, we lose everything. 2258 01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:37,563 All right. Let's see what Credit Suisse's appetite is. 2259 01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:43,881 This is Brownfield Fund. 2260 01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:45,923 I want to unload my credit default swaps. 2261 01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:47,810 MAN: All right. What you got? 2262 01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,650 Twenty AA tranches of A.B.S. CDOs. 2263 01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:52,641 MAN: A.B.S.? Are these... These are pretty bad? 2264 01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:54,842 Absolutely. They're complete shit. 2265 01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:56,570 What's your notional value? 2266 01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:59,331 Face value is 205 million. Dollars. 2267 01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:02,206 All right, we could, we could go to forty. 2268 01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:03,611 No. We want at least 100 million. 2269 01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:07,321 100 million? Who are you, a drug dealer or a banker? 2270 01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:09,966 'Cause if you're a banker, you can fuck right off! 2271 01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:11,246 I don't know if we can make a market. 2272 01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:12,441 BEN: Just give me your best price? 2273 01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:15,091 Yeah. Chuck 100 million in for me, mate. 2274 01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:16,400 I think we're far apart. 2275 01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:19,360 Look, if you don't want the deal, you can just hang up. 2276 01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:23,364 That's what I thought. 2277 01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:26,122 - 90 million. - 70. 2278 01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:28,963 (SIGHS) 85. 2279 01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:31,123 - 78. - 84. 2280 01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:34,362 - 78. - BEN: 84. 2281 01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:37,446 MIKE: It's Dr. Burry. 2282 01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:40,884 Looks like the collapse of the financial sector is imminent. 2283 01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:43,848 Let's start to sell my position. 2284 01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:46,043 It's $1.3 billion. 2285 01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:49,403 Sure, I'll hold. 2286 01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:52,569 (TYPING ON COMPUTER) 2287 01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:00,885 (BEEPING) 2288 01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:14,730 So, I was right. 2289 01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:18,086 I took a rash of shit for two years, but 2290 01:48:18,440 --> 01:48:20,408 I was right. 2291 01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:22,444 And everyone was wrong. 2292 01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:26,609 And, yeah, I got a bonus cheque for it. Sue me. 2293 01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:28,287 You know? 2294 01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:32,321 It's a lot of money. I get it. I can feel you judging me. 2295 01:48:32,440 --> 01:48:33,771 That's palpable. 2296 01:48:34,440 --> 01:48:38,445 But, hey, I never said I was the hero of this story. 2297 01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:41,611 JAMIE: Hey, Ben. How are we looking? 2298 01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:44,165 BEN: (CUTTING OUT) Eight... on... 2299 01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:46,245 Sorry? 2300 01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:48,762 No. Eighty million. 2301 01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:50,570 $80 million, $80 million, that's good, right? 2302 01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:51,721 - Eighty is great. - Is that good? 2303 01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:53,006 - Eighty is great, Ben. - Okay. 2304 01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:55,441 Thank you. Thank you so much. 2305 01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:57,603 Most of it went to UBS. 2306 01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,285 You're very lucky. The largest bank 2307 01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,569 in France froze customer's money market accounts today. 2308 01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:04,245 This thing's hitting Europe. 2309 01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:06,163 Greece and Iceland are finished. 2310 01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:07,605 Spain is teetering. 2311 01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:09,284 Are you serious? Fuck. 2312 01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:11,523 CHARLIE: Ben, call us when you get home. 2313 01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:12,886 But, hey, before you go, 2314 01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:15,008 uh, I'm just wondering... 2315 01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:16,966 Um... 2316 01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,128 Why did you do this with us? 2317 01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:23,168 You didn't have to. Uh... 2318 01:49:23,480 --> 01:49:27,166 Thank you. But, uh, why? 2319 01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:31,010 You guys said you wanted to get rich. Now you're rich. 2320 01:49:31,480 --> 01:49:32,561 COMMENTATOR: Goal! 2321 01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:34,483 Pamplona puts themselves on the scoreboard. 2322 01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:41,006 JARED: As the housing markets and banks continued to haemorrhage, 2323 01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:43,481 only one of the big shorts refused to sell. 2324 01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:44,800 Mark Baum. 2325 01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:50,208 So it was beyond perfect when he was asked to speak 2326 01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:52,123 at a conference opposite Bruce Miller, 2327 01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:54,680 the famous bullish investor. 2328 01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:57,247 After he and Mark had their debate, Alan Greenspan, 2329 01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:00,842 one of the architects of the whole crisis was scheduled to speak. 2330 01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:03,691 Everyone in Mark's office showed up, he even invited friends. 2331 01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:05,087 (CELL PHONE VIBRATING) 2332 01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:08,443 This was the Ali vs. Foreman of the financial world. 2333 01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,848 The realist versus the fools. 2334 01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,841 And if it seems almost too perfect, trust me, this happened. 2335 01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:16,801 (CELL PHONE CONTINUES VIBRATING) 2336 01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:23,201 Welcome, everyone. Please give a generous welcome to 2337 01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:27,081 Mr. Bruce Miller and Mark Baum. 2338 01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:29,568 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 2339 01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:44,161 (CELL PHONE VIBRATING) 2340 01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:45,770 - Strap yourself in. - (WOMAN COUGHS) 2341 01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:49,202 So as some of you may know, Bear Stearns 2342 01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,851 has just received a loan from JP Morgan. 2343 01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:54,810 Of course, we're gonna have to wait and see how the markets react, 2344 01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:58,566 but that should lay to rest any concerns about the bank's health. 2345 01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:03,407 Now, I take it you have no plans to sell your $200 million in Bear stock? 2346 01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:05,330 No. As a matter of fact, when we're done here, 2347 01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:07,243 I'll probably go out and buy some more. 2348 01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:08,685 - (SCATTERED LAUGHTER) - (CELL PHONES VIBRATING) 2349 01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:12,242 For the opposing view, Mr. Baum. 2350 01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:16,768 I got to stand for this. 2351 01:51:19,480 --> 01:51:21,050 Okay, hi. 2352 01:51:21,480 --> 01:51:23,926 My firm's thesis is pretty simple. 2353 01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:26,044 Wall Street took a good idea, 2354 01:51:26,120 --> 01:51:27,645 Lewis Ranieri's mortgage bond, 2355 01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,161 and turned it into an atomic bomb 2356 01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:32,442 of fraud and stupidity 2357 01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:35,411 that's on its way to decimating the world economy. 2358 01:51:35,480 --> 01:51:36,686 How do you really feel? 2359 01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:38,040 (AUDIENCE CHUCKLING) 2360 01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:40,083 MARK: I'm glad you still have a sense of humour. 2361 01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:42,208 I wouldn't if I were you. 2362 01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:46,605 Now, anyone who knows me knows that 2363 01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,200 I have no problem telling someone they're wrong. 2364 01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:53,365 PORTER: (WHISPERING) Bear Stearns is denying rumours of liquidity problems. 2365 01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:55,727 (WHISPERING) Holy fuck, it's 39 now! 2366 01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:00,451 We live in an era of fraud in America. 2367 01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:02,887 Not just in banking, but in government, 2368 01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:06,330 education, religion, food, 2369 01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:08,050 even baseball. 2370 01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:09,800 (VIBRATING) 2371 01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:11,160 What bothers me isn't that 2372 01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:15,646 fraud is not nice or that fraud is mean. 2373 01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:17,803 It's that for 15,000 years 2374 01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:20,170 fraud and short-sighted thinking 2375 01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:22,641 have never, ever worked. 2376 01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:25,644 - PORTER: Jesus, Bear at 37... - Not once. 2377 01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:29,008 Eventually, people get caught, things go south. 2378 01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:30,491 DANNY: It's fucking plummeting, man. 2379 01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:32,921 When the hell did we forget all that? 2380 01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:39,606 I thought we were better than this. I really did. 2381 01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:42,002 And the fact that we're not 2382 01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,811 doesn't make me feel all right and superior. 2383 01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:47,406 It makes me feel... Sad. 2384 01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:50,207 Every time I fucking hit "refresh" it's dropping, man. 2385 01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:53,524 And as fun as it is to watch 2386 01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,127 pompous, dumb Wall Streeters be wildly wrong, 2387 01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:58,441 and you are wrong, sir, 2388 01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:02,284 I just know, that at the end of the day 2389 01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:05,691 average people are going to be the ones 2390 01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:07,967 that are gonna have to pay for all this. 2391 01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:10,807 Because they always, always do. 2392 01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:11,881 DANNY: It's 32. 2393 01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:13,371 VINNIE: It's fucking tanked, man. 2394 01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:15,442 That's my two cents. Thank you. 2395 01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:18,131 DANNY: Let me drop a deuce at Deutsche. 2396 01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:20,282 WOMAN: Does our bull have a response? 2397 01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:24,807 Only that, in the entire history of Wall Street, 2398 01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:27,207 no investment bank has ever failed 2399 01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:29,322 unless caught in criminal activities. 2400 01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:33,327 So, yes, I stand by my Bear Stearns optimism. 2401 01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:35,642 MAN: Mr. Miller, I'm sorry. Quick question. 2402 01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:37,810 From the time you guys started talking, 2403 01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:40,850 Bear Stearns stock has fallen more than 38%. 2404 01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:42,331 Would you still buy more? 2405 01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:46,645 Yeah, sure, of course I'd buy more. Why not? 2406 01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:48,121 Boom. 2407 01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:49,969 (ALL TALKING INDISTINCTLY) 2408 01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:52,725 DANNY: Jesus Christ! 2409 01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:57,323 WOMAN: That concludes the first part of our presentation. 2410 01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:03,008 Up next, we have the legendary former chairman of the Fed, 2411 01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:04,844 Alan Greenspan. 2412 01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:06,251 Folks? 2413 01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:25,765 MALE REPORTER: ...employees of Lehman Brothers today, 2414 01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:29,208 as the Wall Street giant's stock went to zero. 2415 01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,443 The collapse of the venerable New York bank 2416 01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:35,206 follows a tumultuous few months of market volatility 2417 01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:37,886 and fear in the world economy. 2418 01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:39,964 I got to see inside. 2419 01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:42,051 How? 2420 01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:43,801 Come on. 2421 01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:47,729 I left my phone in the office. I threw my pass out already. 2422 01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:49,165 Do you mind if I take your pass? 2423 01:54:49,240 --> 01:54:51,846 I don't give a shit any more. You can do what you want. 2424 01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:01,449 Go directly to your transportation. 2425 01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:03,249 Do not talk to the press. 2426 01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:06,722 After 18 years, I just leave? That's just fucking great! 2427 01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,844 I'll talk to whoever the hell I want! 2428 01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:12,241 MAN: Do not talk to the press. 2429 01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:14,528 Go directly to your transportation. 2430 01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:15,840 Do not talk to... 2431 01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:19,481 PORTER: Hey, look, you wanna get a bite tonight? 2432 01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:22,001 There's this, uh, new Cuban place 2433 01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:24,082 just opened on the Lower East Side. It's supposed to be good. 2434 01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:26,084 - Oh, really? - Yeah. 2435 01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:27,931 You and I? 2436 01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:29,764 - Yeah, or other people. - (CELL PHONE VIBRATING) 2437 01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:31,604 - That sounds nice. I would like that. - Yeah. 2438 01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:32,920 Finally. 2439 01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:34,691 Mark, hey. 2440 01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:36,285 VINNIE: It's a bloodbath up here. 2441 01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:37,805 Morgan stock has lost half its value. 2442 01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:40,201 It's down to 23. 10. It's in freefall. 2443 01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:43,284 Clients want to talk to you about pulling their money. 2444 01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:47,007 It's now or never, Mark. We got to sell. 2445 01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:51,441 Mark. 2446 01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:54,006 Mark, you hear me? 2447 01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:55,805 MALE AUTOMATED VOICE: Mailbox one. 2448 01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:58,725 You have 15 messages. 2449 01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:00,041 (BEEPING) 2450 01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:01,770 WOMAN: Mike, I can't seem to get a hold of you. 2451 01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:04,286 Will you please call me at your earliest convenience. 2452 01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:08,484 It's Jack. You're buying stocks? 2453 01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:11,644 The market's at an all-time low. This is crazy! 2454 01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:14,201 MIKE: I met my wife on Match.com. 2455 01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:15,971 My profile said, 2456 01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:18,527 "I am a medical student with only one eye, 2457 01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:20,523 "an awkward social manner, 2458 01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:24,207 "and $145,000 in student loans." 2459 01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:26,330 She wrote back, 2460 01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:28,204 "You're just what I've been looking for." 2461 01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:30,810 She meant honest. 2462 01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:32,690 So let me be honest. 2463 01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:37,164 The housing crisis represents the greatest financial opportunity of... 2464 01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:40,005 MIKE: Making money is not like I thought it would be. 2465 01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:44,928 This business kills the part of life that is essential. 2466 01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:48,083 The part that has nothing to do with business. 2467 01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:49,889 - (APPLAUDING) - (MAN TALKING INDISTINCTLY) 2468 01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:52,402 For the past two years, my insides... 2469 01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:53,481 (SQUEALS) 2470 01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:55,927 ...have felt like they're eating themselves. 2471 01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:58,367 All the people I respected 2472 01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:01,366 won't talk to me any more 2473 01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:03,443 except through lawyers. 2474 01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:08,611 - (BABY CRYING) - People 2475 01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:13,046 want an authority to tell them how to value things... 2476 01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:18,480 ...but they choose this authority not based on facts or results. 2477 01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:23,648 They choose it because it seems authoritative and familiar. 2478 01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:26,166 And I am not 2479 01:57:26,240 --> 01:57:29,289 and never have been "familiar". 2480 01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:32,241 So... 2481 01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:36,249 So, I've come to the sullen realisation 2482 01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:39,125 that I must close down the fund. 2483 01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:42,329 Sincerely, Michael J. Burry, M.D. 2484 01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:44,122 CHARLIE: This isn't how I pictured it. 2485 01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:47,281 JAMIE: What did you think we'd find? 2486 01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:48,407 I don't know. 2487 01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:51,805 Grownups. 2488 01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:57,210 Mark, you there? 2489 01:58:59,880 --> 01:59:01,120 VINNIE: Mark? 2490 01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:04,324 Paulson and Bernanke just left the White House. 2491 01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:11,802 There's going to be a bailout. 2492 01:59:13,400 --> 01:59:16,802 Well, they had to. Right? 2493 01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:18,321 Paper markets would've collapsed. 2494 01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:19,561 They knew. 2495 01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:21,330 Cash would've stopped coming out of ATMs. 2496 01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:22,970 They had to backstop this. 2497 01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:25,561 They knew the taxpayers would bail them out. 2498 01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:28,086 They weren't being stupid. They just didn't care. 2499 01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:30,402 Yeah. 'Cause they're fucking crooks. 2500 01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:34,926 But at least we're going to see some of them go to jail. 2501 01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:39,323 Right? I mean, they're gonna have to break up the banks. 2502 01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:41,771 I mean, the party's over. 2503 01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:44,525 I don't know. I don't know, Vinnie. 2504 01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:48,770 I have a feeling 2505 01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:50,729 that in a few years people are gonna be doing 2506 01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:53,804 what they always do when the economy tanks. 2507 01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:57,489 They will be blaming immigrants and poor people. 2508 01:59:57,760 --> 01:59:59,125 JARED: But Mark was wrong. 2509 02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:02,203 In the years that followed, hundreds of bankers 2510 02:00:02,280 --> 02:00:04,965 and rating agencies executives went to jail. 2511 02:00:05,120 --> 02:00:07,122 The SEC was completely overhauled. 2512 02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:10,011 And Congress had no choice but to break up the big banks 2513 02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:12,880 and regulate the mortgage and derivatives industries. 2514 02:00:14,280 --> 02:00:16,044 (GLASS SHATTERING) 2515 02:00:17,680 --> 02:00:19,011 Just kidding. 2516 02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:21,487 The banks took the money the American people gave them 2517 02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:23,847 and used it to pay themselves huge bonuses 2518 02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:26,161 and lobby Congress to kill big reform. 2519 02:00:26,360 --> 02:00:28,601 And then they blamed immigrants and poor people. 2520 02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:30,842 And this time, even teachers. 2521 02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:33,446 And when all was said and done, 2522 02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:35,284 only one single banker went to jail. 2523 02:00:36,200 --> 02:00:37,326 This poor schmuck. 2524 02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:39,846 Kareem Serageldin from Credit Suisse. 2525 02:00:40,200 --> 02:00:42,521 He hid a few billion in mortgage bond losses, 2526 02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:45,888 something most of the big banks did on a good day during the crisis. 2527 02:00:47,480 --> 02:00:49,482 Mark, can we sell now? 2528 02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:53,800 The fund will make almost $1 billion. 2529 02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:55,484 You'll clear $200 mil, Mark. 2530 02:00:56,680 --> 02:00:58,921 You know, once we sell, 2531 02:00:59,680 --> 02:01:01,569 we'll be just like the rest of them. 2532 02:01:01,680 --> 02:01:02,761 You know that. 2533 02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:04,684 No, we're not. We're not the bad guys here. 2534 02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:08,287 We didn't defraud the American people and prey on their dreams 2535 02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:09,930 of owning a home. All right? 2536 02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:11,286 They did. 2537 02:01:11,360 --> 02:01:12,361 (HORN HONKING) 2538 02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:14,283 And now we get to kick them in the teeth. 2539 02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:21,682 A billion dollars. 2540 02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:24,600 That's right. 2541 02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:27,524 But we got to close out our position or it could be zero. 2542 02:01:28,040 --> 02:01:30,884 I mean, it's now or never, Mark. 2543 02:01:40,040 --> 02:01:41,485 Okay. 2544 02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:46,645 Sell it all. 2545 02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:47,442 (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING)