1 00:00:33,368 --> 00:00:35,369 Dispatch called me at my house. 2 00:00:35,420 --> 00:00:36,503 It was after hours. 3 00:00:41,793 --> 00:00:45,712 They told me that a young kid had found 4 00:00:45,714 --> 00:00:47,381 what they thought was a torso. 5 00:00:50,435 --> 00:00:52,219 No head. 6 00:00:52,253 --> 00:00:53,720 No arms. 7 00:00:53,722 --> 00:00:55,522 No legs. Just, just the torso. 8 00:01:08,903 --> 00:01:10,237 What's this area here? 9 00:01:11,322 --> 00:01:13,039 This is Channel View here... 10 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:20,247 and it was right down here... 11 00:01:20,298 --> 00:01:21,798 in this corner, 12 00:01:21,833 --> 00:01:23,717 was where the torso was at. 13 00:01:25,386 --> 00:01:26,720 - Right here? - Right here. 14 00:01:27,755 --> 00:01:29,256 This is probably the one time 15 00:01:29,307 --> 00:01:30,724 I can honestly say that I've 16 00:01:30,758 --> 00:01:32,759 actually reached down somebody's throat. 17 00:01:34,595 --> 00:01:36,763 Because in order to get the torso out, 18 00:01:36,765 --> 00:01:38,598 I had to take my hand down the throat 19 00:01:38,649 --> 00:01:41,935 and put my fingers around the breastbone, 20 00:01:41,937 --> 00:01:45,071 and then pull him up out of the water. 21 00:01:45,106 --> 00:01:46,523 - Is that with your hand? - Yeah. 22 00:01:48,943 --> 00:01:50,744 Yeah. How else am I going to get him out? 23 00:01:59,036 --> 00:02:00,537 And then we started our 24 00:02:00,571 --> 00:02:04,040 kind of a general survey of the rest of the area. 25 00:02:04,075 --> 00:02:06,259 In doing so, that's when we found a bunch of 26 00:02:06,294 --> 00:02:09,763 the black plastic trash bags that were floating in the water. 27 00:02:16,721 --> 00:02:18,889 Well, trying to figure out what we had inside the bags, 28 00:02:18,923 --> 00:02:20,724 we simply palpated the bags. 29 00:02:20,758 --> 00:02:22,058 We just felt them. 30 00:02:23,394 --> 00:02:27,280 We had what felt like arms and hands, fingers. 31 00:02:28,916 --> 00:02:31,885 A leg, where you could feel the knee, the ankle, 32 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,654 and the actual foot itself... 33 00:02:36,157 --> 00:02:38,325 and one of the bags containing the legs, 34 00:02:38,376 --> 00:02:39,659 there was like small holes 35 00:02:39,661 --> 00:02:42,696 that had gotten torn into the bag 36 00:02:42,730 --> 00:02:44,264 where we could actually look in, 37 00:02:44,298 --> 00:02:46,166 and I recall seeing a toe. 38 00:02:54,942 --> 00:02:57,477 Dismemberment started with the right leg 39 00:02:57,512 --> 00:03:00,113 and went to the left leg, to the left arm, 40 00:03:00,147 --> 00:03:03,016 to the neck, and then to the right arm. 41 00:03:03,050 --> 00:03:05,485 The right arm, being the last, 42 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,938 was cut but it was only sawn halfway through, 43 00:03:07,989 --> 00:03:11,575 and then it apparently broke, either by stepping on it 44 00:03:11,609 --> 00:03:13,360 or something, to break the bone. 45 00:03:13,411 --> 00:03:16,029 Getting tired, running out of time... Whatever it was. 46 00:03:20,117 --> 00:03:24,004 I'd never had a dismembered headless torso to investigate. 47 00:03:25,540 --> 00:03:27,841 You know, I've investigated my fair share of shootings, 48 00:03:27,875 --> 00:03:32,379 homicides... A whole array of investigations... Thousands! 49 00:03:32,413 --> 00:03:33,680 But I never had one of these. 50 00:03:34,849 --> 00:03:40,136 So, I knew it was going to be interesting. 51 00:03:40,187 --> 00:03:44,891 I had no idea of what I was fixin' to step into. 52 00:03:44,942 --> 00:03:48,061 If I had of, I'm, I'm not so sure 53 00:03:48,063 --> 00:03:50,280 I would have stepped in so willingly. 54 00:05:21,122 --> 00:05:23,373 A teenage boy fishing in the shallow waters 55 00:05:23,407 --> 00:05:25,492 off Galveston, Texas, stumbled on 56 00:05:25,543 --> 00:05:28,662 the gruesome remains of a murder. 57 00:05:28,713 --> 00:05:30,747 Pretty much everything had washed up, 58 00:05:30,798 --> 00:05:33,283 with the exception of the head. 59 00:05:33,317 --> 00:05:37,120 That was the focus of several days of searching. 60 00:05:40,007 --> 00:05:44,177 That's the only body part that was never recovered. 61 00:05:45,596 --> 00:05:46,836 One of the most important things 62 00:05:46,864 --> 00:05:50,166 that we found initially was a newspaper. 63 00:05:52,837 --> 00:05:57,307 We were able to read an address of 2213 Avenue K. 64 00:06:04,315 --> 00:06:08,918 And the blood that we found on the stair rail, 65 00:06:08,953 --> 00:06:10,704 it actually started kind of a trail 66 00:06:10,755 --> 00:06:12,455 that came right out here. 67 00:06:12,506 --> 00:06:14,874 And it went in right out to the, to the road. 68 00:06:19,263 --> 00:06:21,698 We found out who owned the building. 69 00:06:21,732 --> 00:06:25,568 It was a guy by the name of Klaus Dillman. 70 00:06:25,603 --> 00:06:28,571 Was able to ascertain that the tenant downstairs 71 00:06:28,606 --> 00:06:30,807 was an older man named Morris Black 72 00:06:30,841 --> 00:06:32,742 that lived in Apartment Number 1. 73 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:38,281 And then Apartment Number 2, he said, was rented by 74 00:06:38,315 --> 00:06:44,204 a little old lady named Dorothy Ciner, who was a mute female. 75 00:06:47,492 --> 00:06:49,243 Mr. Dillman, did I understand you to say 76 00:06:49,327 --> 00:06:50,912 that you were pleased 77 00:06:50,995 --> 00:06:53,498 with Mrs. Ciner as a tenant? 78 00:06:54,207 --> 00:06:55,500 Very much so. 79 00:06:56,667 --> 00:06:58,086 One, you didn't see her very much, 80 00:06:58,169 --> 00:07:01,422 and that's one good criteria of a tenant, as you say? 81 00:07:01,506 --> 00:07:04,133 Yes. That's what I would consider a good criteria. 82 00:07:05,259 --> 00:07:08,221 Ms. Ciner is paying you in advance for the rent? 83 00:07:08,346 --> 00:07:10,473 She wanted to pay me for a whole year. 84 00:07:13,451 --> 00:07:16,152 We were able to roll one of the fingerprints 85 00:07:16,187 --> 00:07:19,322 from the hand that was in the trash bag. 86 00:07:19,356 --> 00:07:21,891 From that, we were able to identify the victim 87 00:07:21,926 --> 00:07:23,193 as Morris Black. 88 00:07:26,130 --> 00:07:28,364 It appeared that in the common hallway, 89 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:31,835 someone had wiped up blood which led into Apartment 2, 90 00:07:31,869 --> 00:07:35,755 which helped me to gain a search warrant into Apartment 2. 91 00:07:40,861 --> 00:07:44,464 What we observed then was a pretty pristine apartment. 92 00:07:44,498 --> 00:07:45,899 Very neat. 93 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:49,903 What was unusual was on the floor of the kitchen 94 00:07:49,937 --> 00:07:52,071 were drop cloths. 95 00:07:53,641 --> 00:07:57,343 Once we got the drop cloths pulled up from the floor, 96 00:07:57,378 --> 00:08:01,614 we found some real small cuts. 97 00:08:04,702 --> 00:08:07,287 What I wound up doing was to actually 98 00:08:07,321 --> 00:08:13,827 take and cut that entire area out. 99 00:08:13,829 --> 00:08:16,329 That's when I found a bloodstain. 100 00:08:18,465 --> 00:08:23,386 We were actually able to match the blood back to Morris Black, 101 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:25,722 so we knew that that's the location 102 00:08:25,756 --> 00:08:26,956 where he had been dismembered. 103 00:08:34,198 --> 00:08:37,100 When we first talked to the landlord, he said, 104 00:08:37,134 --> 00:08:40,653 "Well, there's a lady that rents Apartment Number 2, 105 00:08:40,688 --> 00:08:45,024 but she's never there because she travels all the time." 106 00:08:45,026 --> 00:08:46,776 And I'm thinking to myself... 107 00:08:49,580 --> 00:08:52,332 "Well, if she's got the money to travel all the time, 108 00:08:52,366 --> 00:08:55,535 "and she's gone for months on end, 109 00:08:55,537 --> 00:08:57,587 what's she doing living in this dump?" 110 00:09:00,458 --> 00:09:03,252 Did you think that Mrs. Ciner was attractive? 111 00:09:03,794 --> 00:09:04,962 If you're asking me, 112 00:09:05,046 --> 00:09:07,298 was it in general terms being an attractive woman, 113 00:09:07,465 --> 00:09:09,884 I would say looked like a middle-aged woman 114 00:09:10,968 --> 00:09:12,053 with a flat bust. 115 00:09:13,262 --> 00:09:14,347 Wouldn't be my type. 116 00:09:15,890 --> 00:09:19,225 Ha! In fact, it was kind of described as 117 00:09:19,276 --> 00:09:23,196 a real ugly deaf mute woman. 118 00:09:23,230 --> 00:09:26,900 There was very little personal items in the apartment. 119 00:09:26,934 --> 00:09:29,535 There was nothing to suggest a woman lived there. 120 00:09:31,489 --> 00:09:34,116 But you did see a man 121 00:09:34,492 --> 00:09:37,578 who you believed to be Dorothy Ciner's brother-in-law 122 00:09:37,662 --> 00:09:39,121 a couple of times, didn't you? 123 00:09:40,498 --> 00:09:41,582 On the porch from far. 124 00:09:41,666 --> 00:09:43,751 We never stand close together. 125 00:09:43,834 --> 00:09:45,878 I mean eye contact, or anything like this. 126 00:09:46,254 --> 00:09:48,005 It was always from a distance. 127 00:09:48,889 --> 00:09:50,924 Red flags started coming up. 128 00:09:50,958 --> 00:09:53,393 A mute female that travels a lot. 129 00:09:53,427 --> 00:09:57,647 But a guy will be coming around every now and then. 130 00:09:57,681 --> 00:10:00,433 Well, I'm thinking, "Well, there's no Dorothy Ciner, 131 00:10:00,484 --> 00:10:01,768 "that's just a cover. 132 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:06,773 This guy is renting this place for whatever reason." 133 00:10:15,416 --> 00:10:18,151 The next step was to go through the trash can 134 00:10:18,185 --> 00:10:19,919 in the alley behind the house. 135 00:10:22,923 --> 00:10:25,775 Every piece of trash was taken out, 136 00:10:25,809 --> 00:10:28,011 photographed, labeled, catalogued. 137 00:10:32,717 --> 00:10:35,636 What was the first piece of evidence where you poked your partner... 138 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,680 and you said, "Ah, we just found something." 139 00:10:38,639 --> 00:10:41,174 It was an appointment receipt, 140 00:10:41,208 --> 00:10:44,394 and on that contained information that gave us 141 00:10:44,445 --> 00:10:47,347 a date and time in which some eyeglasses were to be picked up. 142 00:10:52,353 --> 00:10:55,855 Now I'm thinking, "Who's Robert Durst?" 143 00:10:55,889 --> 00:10:57,423 Still a bunch of question marks. 144 00:11:01,545 --> 00:11:04,714 I take the receipt to the eye clinic. 145 00:11:04,748 --> 00:11:07,834 Ask them if they know who Robert Durst is. 146 00:11:07,885 --> 00:11:09,836 The lady up front said, "Yeah, 147 00:11:09,838 --> 00:11:13,089 he was supposed to pick those glasses up on Friday." 148 00:11:13,140 --> 00:11:15,558 I'm thinking, "Vegas wouldn't touch these odds 149 00:11:15,592 --> 00:11:16,759 this guy's going to show up." 150 00:11:16,810 --> 00:11:19,379 But I said, "If he shows up, here's my card. 151 00:11:19,413 --> 00:11:22,081 Here's my pager number." And I left. 152 00:11:31,525 --> 00:11:33,359 In the trash bags, we also found 153 00:11:33,410 --> 00:11:35,611 a price tag from Chalmers Hardware, 154 00:11:35,662 --> 00:11:39,699 which was two blocks away from where Morris Black lived. 155 00:11:42,753 --> 00:11:44,593 Among the things that were bought from Chalmers 156 00:11:44,621 --> 00:11:46,539 were a 4-inch paring knife 157 00:11:46,541 --> 00:11:50,877 and drop cloths with the Chalmers tags on it. 158 00:11:50,928 --> 00:11:54,213 Also bought at Chalmers was a bow saw. 159 00:12:02,689 --> 00:12:05,308 Lo and behold, my pager goes off. 160 00:12:05,359 --> 00:12:10,446 And I'm like... and I recognized that number. 161 00:12:10,481 --> 00:12:14,901 But I, I haven't, in my mind I didn't connect the dots yet. 162 00:12:14,952 --> 00:12:20,073 And then they had put in "911." I'm thinking, "Who is that?" 163 00:12:20,075 --> 00:12:22,075 Then, bam! "That's the eye clinic." 164 00:12:25,412 --> 00:12:30,149 I jump in my car and I'm coming up 21st Street. 165 00:12:30,184 --> 00:12:33,286 And he pulls out of the alleyway parking lot 166 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:34,620 right in front of me, 167 00:12:34,655 --> 00:12:37,590 and pulls up to the red light, and I'm right behind him. 168 00:12:41,161 --> 00:12:43,329 Our Motor Division pulls him over, 169 00:12:43,363 --> 00:12:45,064 and we detain him. 170 00:12:46,667 --> 00:12:49,902 I recall pulling up to that, 171 00:12:49,937 --> 00:12:52,939 and I walked up and glanced down through the back windshield. 172 00:12:54,291 --> 00:12:56,859 And the first thing I saw was a bow saw. 173 00:13:00,998 --> 00:13:03,583 Kind of got that grin. 174 00:13:03,617 --> 00:13:04,700 Saying, "Yeah, we got him." 175 00:13:11,892 --> 00:13:14,260 Initial impressions when I saw him being brought in 176 00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:17,964 was like, "Really? This guy? 177 00:13:17,966 --> 00:13:21,067 Did that? Didn't fit." 178 00:13:25,973 --> 00:13:27,890 God, the guy looks like a librarian! 179 00:13:29,143 --> 00:13:31,811 He doesn't look like a person 180 00:13:31,862 --> 00:13:33,696 that would dismember a human being. 181 00:13:42,389 --> 00:13:43,456 I explained to him he'd been 182 00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:45,241 arrested for, you know, homicide. 183 00:13:45,292 --> 00:13:48,828 "Your bond has been set at $250,000." 184 00:13:48,830 --> 00:13:53,666 And he asked me, he said, "Well, what should I do?" 185 00:13:53,668 --> 00:13:59,338 And I said, "I don't know. Do you have $250,000?" 186 00:13:59,340 --> 00:14:04,443 And he just calmly looked at me and he goes, "Well, not on me." 187 00:14:09,349 --> 00:14:10,783 Who the hell is this guy 188 00:14:10,817 --> 00:14:14,270 to give you that type of an answer? 189 00:14:14,321 --> 00:14:17,406 Which is not the type of answer you would normally hear. 190 00:14:21,695 --> 00:14:25,698 I get a call from the desk sergeant at the jail. 191 00:14:25,732 --> 00:14:28,000 He goes, "Cody, this Durst guy, 192 00:14:28,035 --> 00:14:29,869 "he made a phone call to somebody named 193 00:14:29,871 --> 00:14:31,621 "Debrah in New York. 194 00:14:31,672 --> 00:14:33,673 "Told them he was in Galveston, Texas, 195 00:14:33,707 --> 00:14:38,294 "under arrest for murder, and he needed $250,000. 196 00:14:38,345 --> 00:14:41,847 And she said, "No problem, it will be there in the morning." 197 00:14:41,882 --> 00:14:45,117 And I'm thinking, "What's going on here?" 198 00:14:53,727 --> 00:14:55,294 Are you the wife of Robert Durst? 199 00:14:55,329 --> 00:14:56,696 Yes. 200 00:14:56,730 --> 00:14:57,997 When did you marry him? 201 00:15:07,541 --> 00:15:09,508 December 2000. 202 00:15:11,345 --> 00:15:13,613 Would that have been December 11, 2000? 203 00:15:13,647 --> 00:15:15,248 - Yes. - OK. 204 00:15:16,783 --> 00:15:20,286 When did you first hear that Mr. Durst 205 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,089 had rented an apartment in Galveston, Texas? 206 00:15:25,892 --> 00:15:30,363 Um, I heard that he rented an apartment in Galveston, Texas 207 00:15:30,397 --> 00:15:34,533 certainly after October 9, 2001. 208 00:15:34,568 --> 00:15:37,336 OK. And why are you so definite about that date? 209 00:15:37,371 --> 00:15:39,538 Because that was the day he called me, 210 00:15:39,573 --> 00:15:40,973 after he was arrested. 211 00:15:41,008 --> 00:15:43,542 And I never even heard of Galveston, Texas. 212 00:15:48,215 --> 00:15:50,750 When he called you, where was he calling from? 213 00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:51,884 Jail. 214 00:15:53,186 --> 00:15:55,821 How long was it from the time that he was arrested 215 00:15:55,856 --> 00:15:59,492 until he got out of jail on bail? 216 00:15:59,526 --> 00:16:02,094 - 24 hours. - OK. 217 00:16:02,129 --> 00:16:05,698 When he got out, where did he go? 218 00:16:05,732 --> 00:16:08,067 I'm in New York. He's in Galveston. 219 00:16:08,101 --> 00:16:13,773 He probably went to the bail bondsman's office first. 220 00:16:13,807 --> 00:16:15,207 And then he probably went home. 221 00:16:15,242 --> 00:16:16,242 Do I know? Was I there? 222 00:16:16,276 --> 00:16:17,677 I wasn't there. 223 00:16:24,534 --> 00:16:26,419 I'm back at work the next morning about 7:30. 224 00:16:26,453 --> 00:16:27,720 I get to my office. 225 00:16:27,754 --> 00:16:31,157 Usually on my phone there may be one or two messages. 226 00:16:33,293 --> 00:16:34,744 I get to, I get my cup of coffee, 227 00:16:34,795 --> 00:16:37,296 I sit down, my light's blinking. 228 00:16:37,331 --> 00:16:41,884 21 messages. 229 00:16:41,918 --> 00:16:45,504 That's when the information about 230 00:16:45,555 --> 00:16:48,641 who Robert Durst really was started coming into play. 231 00:16:54,414 --> 00:16:58,901 We get this tip that a Bob Durst has been arrested 232 00:16:58,935 --> 00:17:01,504 in Galveston and he's murdered his, 233 00:17:01,538 --> 00:17:03,489 his neighbor or something. 234 00:17:03,523 --> 00:17:05,107 And it was like, "Holy shit! 235 00:17:05,158 --> 00:17:07,159 Can this be our Bob Durst?" 236 00:17:07,194 --> 00:17:10,746 The fact that Morris Black had been murdered in Galveston 237 00:17:10,781 --> 00:17:12,365 was not something that would have garnered 238 00:17:12,416 --> 00:17:14,216 any attention at our end. 239 00:17:14,251 --> 00:17:17,203 It was only when they made the connection to Robert Durst. 240 00:17:21,141 --> 00:17:24,977 You find out that he belongs to one of the richest 241 00:17:25,011 --> 00:17:27,012 families in New York City. 242 00:17:27,047 --> 00:17:29,048 But that's not strange enough, 243 00:17:29,099 --> 00:17:31,717 the guy's also suspected in 244 00:17:31,719 --> 00:17:34,703 his wife's disappearance in New York. 245 00:17:37,974 --> 00:17:39,341 Robert Durst first made headlines 246 00:17:39,376 --> 00:17:42,611 after he reported his wife missing in 1982. 247 00:17:42,646 --> 00:17:45,481 And to this day, the case remains unsolved. 248 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,703 The family of Kathleen Durst, from the beginning, had said 249 00:17:50,737 --> 00:17:52,955 they believed Robert Durst was responsible. 250 00:17:52,989 --> 00:17:55,624 He had always maintained his innocence. 251 00:17:55,659 --> 00:17:57,309 Family sources tell News Channel 4 252 00:17:57,344 --> 00:18:00,246 Robert Durst relocated to Galveston, Texas, 253 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,114 but they were unsure what he was doing there. 254 00:18:07,687 --> 00:18:08,988 How many office buildings does 255 00:18:09,022 --> 00:18:10,856 the Durst Organization currently own? 256 00:18:10,891 --> 00:18:12,057 Nine. 257 00:18:13,427 --> 00:18:15,928 And can you tell me what those office buildings are? 258 00:18:15,962 --> 00:18:21,267 655 Third Avenue, 675 Third Avenue, 259 00:18:21,301 --> 00:18:26,372 205 East 42nd Street, 733 Avenue of the Americas, 260 00:18:26,406 --> 00:18:31,043 825 Avenue of the Americas, Four Times Square, 261 00:18:31,077 --> 00:18:37,583 1133 Avenue of the Americas, 1155 Avenue of the Americas, 262 00:18:37,617 --> 00:18:43,422 and 114 West 47th Street. 263 00:18:53,383 --> 00:18:55,503 But you went there around the time of his arraignment. 264 00:18:55,719 --> 00:18:56,959 Did you expect him to be there? 265 00:18:58,113 --> 00:18:59,638 Most defendants charged with murder 266 00:18:59,689 --> 00:19:01,774 show up at their arraignment, OK? 267 00:19:01,808 --> 00:19:02,975 Did I expect him to be there? 268 00:19:03,026 --> 00:19:04,193 Of course I did. 269 00:19:04,227 --> 00:19:05,728 I wanted to eyeball this guy. 270 00:19:05,779 --> 00:19:06,896 I wanted to size him up. 271 00:19:10,484 --> 00:19:13,469 Robert was due to be in court at 10:00 a.m. 272 00:19:17,224 --> 00:19:21,577 And he was a no-show. He decided to run. 273 00:19:23,313 --> 00:19:24,553 In the search for Robert Durst, 274 00:19:24,581 --> 00:19:27,016 a lawyer is asking him to surrender. 275 00:19:27,050 --> 00:19:29,084 Attorney Michael Kennedy made an appeal to him 276 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,719 to turn himself in. 277 00:19:30,754 --> 00:19:34,823 Robert, if you see this or hear this, please come home. 278 00:19:34,858 --> 00:19:39,495 You have loved ones who care about you here in New York. 279 00:19:39,529 --> 00:19:43,799 Your family is solidly, unifiedly behind you. 280 00:19:43,833 --> 00:19:48,103 The Trust has the wherewithal to pay for your legal defense. 281 00:19:48,138 --> 00:19:50,206 The press reported that you had hired a bodyguard 282 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,640 to protect yourself against Robert Durst. 283 00:19:51,675 --> 00:19:53,442 Is that true? 284 00:19:53,476 --> 00:19:55,711 - That is true, yes. - Objection. 285 00:19:57,981 --> 00:20:00,316 Did you believe your life was threatened by Robert Durst? 286 00:20:02,085 --> 00:20:04,853 At that point in time... 287 00:20:07,824 --> 00:20:11,293 Robert's actions were bizarre, 288 00:20:11,328 --> 00:20:13,362 and while I wasn't sure, 289 00:20:13,396 --> 00:20:17,132 I felt that, to protect my family 290 00:20:17,167 --> 00:20:19,401 was a reasonable action to take. 291 00:20:19,436 --> 00:20:22,037 And when did you hire the, the bodyguard? 292 00:20:22,072 --> 00:20:29,645 In, uh, after Robert jumped bail in Texas. 293 00:20:37,637 --> 00:20:39,838 All the wheels started turning. 294 00:20:39,873 --> 00:20:41,674 How do we find this guy? 295 00:20:41,708 --> 00:20:45,628 Everything from state and local agency notifications 296 00:20:45,662 --> 00:20:49,081 to notifications to Interpol. 297 00:20:52,669 --> 00:20:54,629 There's no telling where this guy could have gone. 298 00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:05,014 A private investigator told a Galveston newspaper 299 00:21:05,048 --> 00:21:07,316 that Durst has used false names in the past. 300 00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:09,184 He had disguised himself as a woman. 301 00:21:09,235 --> 00:21:11,620 His alias, Dorothy Ciner, is even listed 302 00:21:11,655 --> 00:21:15,040 on the FBI's 10 most wanted list. 303 00:21:15,075 --> 00:21:16,775 Dorothy Ciner was somebody he went to 304 00:21:16,810 --> 00:21:18,817 Scarsdale High School with. 305 00:21:27,170 --> 00:21:30,806 We found a bank account that he had set up as Emilio Vignoni. 306 00:21:36,763 --> 00:21:40,249 He had rented a car from a place in Mobile, Alabama, 307 00:21:40,283 --> 00:21:41,450 saying he was Morris Black. 308 00:21:44,537 --> 00:21:47,289 And we know there were probably more. 309 00:21:51,494 --> 00:21:54,980 He's not crazy. He's diabolical. 310 00:22:00,954 --> 00:22:03,572 When Bob didn't show up at his hearing 311 00:22:03,623 --> 00:22:06,942 and we realize he's on the run, 312 00:22:06,976 --> 00:22:10,212 I was as curious as anyone else about where he was. 313 00:22:10,246 --> 00:22:12,998 And so, I was calling places where he had lived. 314 00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:21,807 "When Robert A. Durst returned to 315 00:22:21,841 --> 00:22:24,209 "South Salem in Westchester County, 316 00:22:24,244 --> 00:22:27,246 "a neighbor noticed him seemingly lost in thought 317 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,515 "on a dock at Lake Truesdale, 318 00:22:29,549 --> 00:22:31,817 "behind the tree-shrouded stone cottage 319 00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:33,902 he once shared with his wife Kathleen." 320 00:22:37,357 --> 00:22:40,859 "It was his birthday and their wedding anniversary, 321 00:22:40,894 --> 00:22:44,697 "though she had vanished 19 years earlier. 322 00:22:44,699 --> 00:22:47,499 "The State Police and the Westchester District Attorney 323 00:22:47,534 --> 00:22:49,368 "had been seeking him for a year 324 00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:53,038 "to go over his account of his last night with his wife... 325 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,540 "The night she vanished. 326 00:22:56,676 --> 00:22:58,544 "Mr. Durst's reverie on the dock 327 00:22:58,546 --> 00:23:00,379 "suddenly ended when a neighbor 328 00:23:00,430 --> 00:23:03,966 strolled down to the lakefront." 329 00:23:04,017 --> 00:23:05,718 That neighbor, of course, was the woman 330 00:23:05,752 --> 00:23:09,221 that moved into the house that Bob had lived in, 331 00:23:09,223 --> 00:23:11,056 and that Kathie had disappeared from. 332 00:23:16,813 --> 00:23:21,984 It was always piecing together these shreds of information. 333 00:23:22,035 --> 00:23:25,070 It was hazy, but it began to tell a story 334 00:23:25,072 --> 00:23:28,791 about this guy who, of course, was an enigma. 335 00:23:37,133 --> 00:23:38,801 58-year-old Robert Durst 336 00:23:38,835 --> 00:23:41,336 was arrested here at Wegmans Grocery Store 337 00:23:41,371 --> 00:23:43,272 in Hanover Township after 338 00:23:43,306 --> 00:23:45,974 allegedly trying to steal a hoagie. 339 00:23:47,627 --> 00:23:49,762 I think we were kind of in the same boat as 340 00:23:49,796 --> 00:23:51,497 everybody else that had any knowledge 341 00:23:51,531 --> 00:23:53,298 of this case whatsoever. 342 00:23:53,333 --> 00:23:55,173 How in the hell could he have been that stupid? 343 00:24:01,207 --> 00:24:03,008 He just kind of got cold look. 344 00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:06,478 All the color ran out of his face, and he just stared at me, 345 00:24:06,513 --> 00:24:08,180 and he said, "I'm not saying another word 346 00:24:08,214 --> 00:24:09,448 until I speak to an attorney." 347 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,371 Police searched his rental car outside... 348 00:24:18,174 --> 00:24:20,876 And found two loaded guns, 349 00:24:20,927 --> 00:24:23,061 some marijuana, 350 00:24:23,096 --> 00:24:29,251 $38,000 in cash, and an I.D. for one "Morris Black." 351 00:24:29,285 --> 00:24:33,589 Why would a guy with $520 in his pocket 352 00:24:33,623 --> 00:24:36,191 and $37,000 in the trunk 353 00:24:36,226 --> 00:24:41,029 walk into a Wegmans and steal a sandwich? 354 00:24:41,064 --> 00:24:43,432 The guy is crying out to be arrested, isn't he? 355 00:24:47,237 --> 00:24:49,805 On the other hand, he's also a guy that sort of 356 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:54,126 walks through life and thinks he can do whatever he wants to do. 357 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,661 And most of the time, he could. 358 00:24:59,899 --> 00:25:01,900 In shackles and under heavy guard, 359 00:25:01,935 --> 00:25:05,070 58-year-old Robert Durst is led into the courtroom. 360 00:25:05,104 --> 00:25:07,206 Mr. Durst, are you going to fight extradition? 361 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,174 He has no comment at this time. 362 00:25:09,209 --> 00:25:10,876 Are you competent to stand trial? 363 00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:12,010 He has no comment. 364 00:25:13,513 --> 00:25:14,613 Where is your wife? 365 00:25:32,098 --> 00:25:33,765 How long was he in jail in Pennsylvania? 366 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,234 About two months. 367 00:25:35,268 --> 00:25:37,102 Did you speak to him while he was in jail? 368 00:25:37,136 --> 00:25:38,871 Sure. 369 00:25:38,905 --> 00:25:40,639 Did you call him? 370 00:25:40,673 --> 00:25:41,874 It doesn't work that way. 371 00:25:41,908 --> 00:25:44,710 OK. He called you from jail in Pennsylvania? 372 00:25:44,744 --> 00:25:47,145 - Yes. - OK. 373 00:25:47,180 --> 00:25:49,114 During that time, did he call you regularly? 374 00:25:49,148 --> 00:25:50,949 Yes. 375 00:25:50,984 --> 00:25:53,151 And in any of those conversations, 376 00:25:53,186 --> 00:25:57,389 did he indicate what his plans were in the future? 377 00:25:57,423 --> 00:25:58,891 Since I'm sure that you know that 378 00:25:58,925 --> 00:26:03,095 those conversations were taped, and they probably are public, 379 00:26:03,129 --> 00:26:04,429 you could read for yourself, 380 00:26:04,464 --> 00:26:07,332 because I don't really remember what conversations we had. 381 00:26:14,624 --> 00:26:16,575 It's very cold in this prison. 382 00:26:16,626 --> 00:26:18,243 Yeah, cold out. 383 00:26:18,245 --> 00:26:19,962 Well, it's cold out, but I feel like 384 00:26:19,996 --> 00:26:22,214 it's cold in this prison. 385 00:26:22,248 --> 00:26:26,635 I'm sitting here all covered with a sweatshirt. 386 00:26:26,669 --> 00:26:29,588 Some guys were quote unquote "in paper." 387 00:26:29,639 --> 00:26:31,056 I know that. You told me. 388 00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:33,759 Honey, now when you're now sitting in your room, 389 00:26:33,793 --> 00:26:36,528 do you wear that thing or not? 390 00:26:36,562 --> 00:26:38,096 Sometimes I do. Sometimes I don't. 391 00:26:38,131 --> 00:26:39,998 It's very warm. It is comfy. 392 00:26:40,033 --> 00:26:42,034 I never wore a jumpsuit until I got here. 393 00:26:42,068 --> 00:26:45,137 It's a very comfy thing. It's easy to take on and off. 394 00:26:45,171 --> 00:26:47,105 Right now, I'm out here in the thing 395 00:26:47,140 --> 00:26:53,545 and I have it on o-o-over my l-l-long johns. 396 00:26:53,579 --> 00:26:55,747 And a sweatshirt. And it's still cold. 397 00:27:03,823 --> 00:27:05,757 The time now is approximately 10:34 a.m. 398 00:27:05,792 --> 00:27:06,992 We're on record. 399 00:27:07,026 --> 00:27:07,993 I'm going to swear you in, sir, if you raise 400 00:27:08,027 --> 00:27:09,161 your right hand, please. 401 00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:11,964 Do you solemnly swear or affirm 402 00:27:11,998 --> 00:27:13,632 the testimony you are about to give to be the truth, 403 00:27:13,666 --> 00:27:15,233 the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 404 00:27:15,268 --> 00:27:17,569 Yes, ma'am. 405 00:27:17,603 --> 00:27:19,471 Will you state your full name for the record, please? 406 00:27:19,505 --> 00:27:21,740 Robert Durst. 407 00:27:21,774 --> 00:27:25,711 Am I correct that from the 1970s until 1994, 408 00:27:25,745 --> 00:27:27,646 you worked in the Durst Family business? 409 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,081 Sort of, yes. 410 00:27:29,115 --> 00:27:30,782 What were your positions there? 411 00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:32,718 - My titles? - Yes. 412 00:27:32,752 --> 00:27:35,554 I had various important-sounding titles, 413 00:27:35,588 --> 00:27:37,622 but I didn't really go there very much. 414 00:27:39,258 --> 00:27:41,460 Can you tell me under what circumstances 415 00:27:41,494 --> 00:27:44,663 Robert left the Durst Organization in the mid Nineties? 416 00:27:47,567 --> 00:27:52,304 At some point, Robert stopped showing up for, 417 00:27:52,338 --> 00:27:53,905 stopped showing up to the office. 418 00:27:56,509 --> 00:27:57,709 And did you ever make any inquiries 419 00:27:57,744 --> 00:28:00,245 why he stopped showing up at the office? 420 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,014 I, I did, yes. 421 00:28:02,048 --> 00:28:03,415 And what did you find out? 422 00:28:05,518 --> 00:28:09,321 At that time, he would not talk to me. 423 00:28:09,355 --> 00:28:11,723 Did you quit the family business in 1994 424 00:28:11,758 --> 00:28:15,827 after Douglas Durst was picked to run the family businesses? 425 00:28:15,862 --> 00:28:22,267 Well, he was pretty much picked in 1989-90, I remember. 426 00:28:22,301 --> 00:28:23,602 Who picked him? 427 00:28:23,636 --> 00:28:26,471 Uh, the senior generation... 428 00:28:26,506 --> 00:28:29,741 Seymour Durst, David Durst, Roy Durst. 429 00:28:29,776 --> 00:28:31,043 And Seymour Durst was your father? 430 00:28:31,077 --> 00:28:32,077 Yes. 431 00:28:38,051 --> 00:28:40,018 In fact, Mr. Durst, 432 00:28:40,053 --> 00:28:42,093 you've threatened to kill your brother, haven't you? 433 00:28:45,124 --> 00:28:47,259 - No, sir. - OK. 434 00:28:49,762 --> 00:28:51,696 He screwed you out of everything. 435 00:28:51,731 --> 00:28:53,365 Your birthright. 436 00:28:53,399 --> 00:28:56,001 The entire Durst Organization. 437 00:28:56,035 --> 00:28:57,069 And you forgot? 438 00:28:57,103 --> 00:28:59,071 Right. He took over the family business. 439 00:28:59,105 --> 00:29:00,105 No doubt about it. 440 00:29:00,139 --> 00:29:01,306 OK. He took it from you. 441 00:29:01,340 --> 00:29:02,541 He could have done it with you. 442 00:29:02,575 --> 00:29:04,810 There were a lot of choices he could have done, but no. 443 00:29:04,844 --> 00:29:06,912 He took it from you and his plan 444 00:29:06,963 --> 00:29:08,914 was to destroy you and embarrass you. 445 00:29:08,965 --> 00:29:10,048 And he did it. 446 00:29:12,502 --> 00:29:16,321 Quote, "The level of enmity is so great that Douglas Durst 447 00:29:16,355 --> 00:29:19,724 "even went so far as to hire a bodyguard 448 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:23,061 to protect himself from Robert Durst." 449 00:29:23,096 --> 00:29:25,597 Close quote. Do you remember that allegation? 450 00:29:25,631 --> 00:29:28,200 I remember that that occurred. 451 00:29:28,234 --> 00:29:30,535 Do you know why Douglas Durst hired a bodyguard? 452 00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:32,003 Because he's a pussy. 453 00:29:33,539 --> 00:29:37,075 Did he hire the bodyguard because he was scared of you? 454 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:39,711 I have knowledge that he'd hired a bodyguard. 455 00:29:39,745 --> 00:29:42,214 Why he would be scared of me, I have no idea. 456 00:29:55,761 --> 00:29:57,529 New York real estate heir Robert Durst 457 00:29:57,563 --> 00:29:59,831 will be turned over to Texas authorities this week. 458 00:29:59,866 --> 00:30:02,134 He faces charges in the dismemberment murder 459 00:30:02,168 --> 00:30:04,102 of a 71-year-old neighbor. 460 00:30:04,137 --> 00:30:06,071 Yesterday in Pennsylvania, the 58-year-old 461 00:30:06,105 --> 00:30:08,840 waived his right to contest his extradition to Texas. 462 00:30:10,676 --> 00:30:12,310 It's going to be a media circus there. 463 00:30:12,345 --> 00:30:13,411 I know it is. 464 00:30:13,446 --> 00:30:15,413 I'm trying not to think about it, 465 00:30:15,448 --> 00:30:17,616 and I'm trying not to, to plan, 466 00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:20,218 what kind of look I should have on my face. 467 00:30:20,253 --> 00:30:22,654 - I know. - Am I supposed to be smiling? 468 00:30:22,688 --> 00:30:25,657 Or am I supposed to be grim? 469 00:30:25,691 --> 00:30:27,559 If you're thinking of expression, 470 00:30:27,593 --> 00:30:30,562 I would just have like as close to no expression 471 00:30:30,596 --> 00:30:31,796 as you can possibly have... 472 00:30:31,831 --> 00:30:33,031 Yeah. That's what I keep... 473 00:30:35,877 --> 00:30:38,421 Bobby, did you kill Kathie 20 years ago? 474 00:30:48,614 --> 00:30:50,715 The defendant in this case was one who's wanted for 475 00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:53,285 a serious crime... murder... in the state of Texas. 476 00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:55,954 There was a nationwide manhunt for this individual, 477 00:30:55,988 --> 00:30:57,856 and it's thanks to the Pennsylvania authorities 478 00:30:57,890 --> 00:31:00,058 that he was picked up, arrested, and kept here. 479 00:31:00,092 --> 00:31:02,594 And so we thank the D.A. Morganelli for this. 480 00:31:02,628 --> 00:31:04,229 And with respect to the New York case 481 00:31:04,263 --> 00:31:07,465 and in response to your question, let me just say that 482 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:11,303 the disappearance of Kathleen Durst 20 years ago is a case 483 00:31:11,337 --> 00:31:13,738 that we are actively investigating. 484 00:31:13,773 --> 00:31:16,041 We continue to seek the public's cooperation. 485 00:31:16,075 --> 00:31:17,676 And as time goes on, we're finding that 486 00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:19,678 more and more people are cooperating with us. 487 00:31:19,712 --> 00:31:22,447 And we will get to the bottom of what happened to Kathleen Durst, 488 00:31:22,481 --> 00:31:23,982 one way or the other. 489 00:31:24,016 --> 00:31:27,586 Now Jeanine Pirro can go to the grand jury 490 00:31:27,620 --> 00:31:32,424 and say, "This person is going to be 491 00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:35,827 tried for murder in Galveston." 492 00:31:35,861 --> 00:31:38,063 That's going to make it much more likely 493 00:31:38,097 --> 00:31:41,032 that they're going to want to indict me for Kathie. 494 00:31:41,067 --> 00:31:42,367 Bob, she hasn't arrested you 495 00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:43,635 because she doesn't have anything. 496 00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:45,403 You're going to be all right. I promise. 497 00:31:45,438 --> 00:31:46,738 - OK. - All right. 498 00:31:46,772 --> 00:31:48,340 You got to chin up. You'll be OK. 499 00:31:48,374 --> 00:31:50,008 - Thank you. - I love you, honey. 500 00:31:50,042 --> 00:31:51,042 I love you. 501 00:31:51,077 --> 00:31:53,044 - Bye. - Bye. 502 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:55,547 Have your investigators been able to talk to Robert Durst? 503 00:31:55,581 --> 00:31:56,514 No, they have not. 504 00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:57,916 He's represented by an attorney. 505 00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:59,918 As D.A. Morganelli has said, 506 00:31:59,952 --> 00:32:02,254 it's the attorneys that we speak to. 507 00:32:02,288 --> 00:32:03,288 Do you have any comment on 508 00:32:03,322 --> 00:32:05,757 what happened today with your client? 509 00:32:05,791 --> 00:32:07,259 Well, it's very straightforward. 510 00:32:07,293 --> 00:32:10,195 Mr. Durst is anxious to get to Texas 511 00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:13,898 to defend himself on the charges pending there. 512 00:32:13,933 --> 00:32:17,068 He has a viable defense, and he wants to raise it. 513 00:32:17,103 --> 00:32:20,572 Therefore, he chose to voluntarily waive extradition 514 00:32:20,606 --> 00:32:23,708 and not seek to fight extradition. 515 00:32:23,743 --> 00:32:27,545 And we expect that he'll be moved forthwith to Texas 516 00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:30,682 where, with two of my colleagues down there, 517 00:32:30,716 --> 00:32:32,651 we'll begin further to prepare his defense. 518 00:32:32,685 --> 00:32:34,319 And that defense would be an insanity defense? 519 00:32:34,353 --> 00:32:36,655 No. I'm not going to comment on the defense. 520 00:32:37,498 --> 00:32:39,125 I have to tell you something. I have a real problem. 521 00:32:39,208 --> 00:32:41,461 You keep going deeper and deeper and deeper into Kennedy 522 00:32:41,544 --> 00:32:42,629 and I hate him! 523 00:32:42,712 --> 00:32:44,047 And I don't think you get it. 524 00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:45,131 I will give him... 525 00:32:45,214 --> 00:32:47,342 Everything that comes from Kennedy is a cancer! 526 00:32:47,508 --> 00:32:48,509 And you don't get it! 527 00:32:48,926 --> 00:32:50,928 And I'm not going to stand here and watch this... 528 00:32:51,012 --> 00:32:52,388 I can't handle it. 529 00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:57,208 Did you at any time tell Mr. Durst 530 00:32:57,243 --> 00:33:01,579 that you'd divorce him if he retained Michael Kennedy? 531 00:33:01,614 --> 00:33:03,281 Yes. 532 00:33:03,316 --> 00:33:05,016 Why did you say that to him? 533 00:33:05,051 --> 00:33:06,351 Because I didn't trust Michael Kennedy. 534 00:33:06,385 --> 00:33:07,852 I didn't like Michael Kennedy. 535 00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:10,490 Michael Kennedy's allegiance is to Douglas. 536 00:33:10,573 --> 00:33:11,949 You must understand that. 537 00:33:12,283 --> 00:33:14,577 First he was going to say you are incompetent. 538 00:33:14,661 --> 00:33:16,329 Then he was going to say you are insane. 539 00:33:16,746 --> 00:33:19,332 That would mean, okay, that your decisions, 540 00:33:19,415 --> 00:33:21,292 like giving me a power of attorney... 541 00:33:21,584 --> 00:33:23,252 if you were incompetent at the time, 542 00:33:23,336 --> 00:33:25,213 so that it's not good. 543 00:33:25,296 --> 00:33:28,174 And wait, let me finish, no interrupt. 544 00:33:28,591 --> 00:33:32,428 What he doesn't want is me to get any of the trust money later on. 545 00:33:34,472 --> 00:33:37,350 Since I'm not your wife, because you were incompetent at the time... 546 00:33:37,433 --> 00:33:41,187 ok, means that they are the only ones who can make your decisions. 547 00:33:41,270 --> 00:33:42,710 So they would take all of your money, 548 00:33:42,772 --> 00:33:44,899 and they would become the guardians of it. 549 00:33:44,982 --> 00:33:46,442 It's too risky. 550 00:33:48,894 --> 00:33:50,862 I'm quoting again from the tapes. 551 00:33:50,896 --> 00:33:53,565 Do you recall your wife threatening 552 00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:57,369 "I won't stand by you anymore," close quote, 553 00:33:57,403 --> 00:34:01,940 if Michael Kennedy wasn't fired as your lawyer? 554 00:34:01,974 --> 00:34:04,242 Yes. Michael Kennedy was the one 555 00:34:04,276 --> 00:34:08,313 who was hired by Douglas to represent me. 556 00:34:08,347 --> 00:34:11,583 And I had no intention of hiring Michael Kennedy anyway. 557 00:34:15,287 --> 00:34:17,389 Robert Durst returned to Texas tonight. 558 00:34:17,423 --> 00:34:19,391 The heir to a Manhattan skyscraper fortune 559 00:34:19,425 --> 00:34:21,626 is charged with murdering and dismembering 560 00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:23,027 his Galveston neighbor. 561 00:34:25,314 --> 00:34:26,481 Well, I'm Dick DeGuerin. 562 00:34:26,532 --> 00:34:29,567 I've been practicing law since 1965. 563 00:34:31,237 --> 00:34:34,572 Almost all of that time in criminal law. 564 00:34:35,958 --> 00:34:37,876 Either as a prosecutor, where I started, 565 00:34:37,910 --> 00:34:41,246 or as a criminal defense lawyer once I saw the light. 566 00:34:42,165 --> 00:34:44,208 DeGuerin is the top Texas guy. 567 00:34:44,292 --> 00:34:45,418 No, he's not. Ramsey is. 568 00:34:46,127 --> 00:34:47,420 Well, now wait a minute. 569 00:34:47,503 --> 00:34:49,172 DeGuerin is not, wait a minute. 570 00:34:49,173 --> 00:34:52,657 And then she says, "I will fight for what I want 571 00:34:52,691 --> 00:34:55,326 and I will fight you hard," close quote. 572 00:34:55,361 --> 00:34:57,095 Well, that's Debbie. 573 00:34:57,129 --> 00:34:58,129 Do you remember that conversation? 574 00:34:58,164 --> 00:34:59,531 I don't remember that one specifically, 575 00:34:59,565 --> 00:35:02,167 but the big argument then was that I wanted to hire 576 00:35:02,201 --> 00:35:04,002 Dick DeGuerin to represent me, 577 00:35:04,036 --> 00:35:06,855 and she wanted me to hire Mike Ramsey. 578 00:35:06,906 --> 00:35:09,441 Durst couldn't decide between Ramsey and me, 579 00:35:09,475 --> 00:35:10,775 so, he hired both of us. 580 00:35:12,653 --> 00:35:16,449 In addition to the six hundred for each of DeGuerin and Ramsey, 581 00:35:16,532 --> 00:35:17,742 another three hundred. 582 00:35:17,825 --> 00:35:18,825 Okay. 583 00:35:18,868 --> 00:35:22,038 So that'll be $1,500,000, plus this three hundred is $1,800,000. 584 00:35:22,705 --> 00:35:25,041 And God, I hope it gets me acquitted. 585 00:35:48,864 --> 00:35:50,865 All Good Things, a new feature film, 586 00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:54,636 premiered at the SVA Cinema in Chelsea. 587 00:35:54,670 --> 00:35:56,604 The film was inspired by one of 588 00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:59,374 the most notorious missing persons cases 589 00:35:59,408 --> 00:36:02,043 in New York City history. 590 00:36:02,077 --> 00:36:03,311 Andrew, what brought you to this film? 591 00:36:03,345 --> 00:36:05,914 Well, I'm always interested in, interested in 592 00:36:05,948 --> 00:36:07,348 these sort of monster stories. 593 00:36:07,383 --> 00:36:09,284 You know, you find out that somebody is 594 00:36:09,318 --> 00:36:12,053 described as a maniac or a crazy person 595 00:36:12,087 --> 00:36:14,355 or a, a serial killer, 596 00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:15,690 and I always think that those people 597 00:36:15,724 --> 00:36:16,658 started out somewhere. 598 00:36:16,692 --> 00:36:18,059 You know, they started out as people, 599 00:36:18,093 --> 00:36:20,528 and they had hopes and dreams. 600 00:36:20,563 --> 00:36:24,465 He was an unusual person. So, he did unusual things. 601 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:26,501 Stranger than fiction, in a lot of ways. 602 00:36:26,535 --> 00:36:28,369 I remember this case because 603 00:36:28,404 --> 00:36:31,706 it's based on one of the great murder mysteries. 604 00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:34,943 There was a man named Robert Durst 605 00:36:34,977 --> 00:36:37,545 who came from a very wealthy real estate family. 606 00:36:37,580 --> 00:36:39,681 He married a beautiful woman named Kathie. 607 00:36:39,715 --> 00:36:41,416 Played by you, and then in 1982, 608 00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:43,318 khht, she was gone. 609 00:36:43,352 --> 00:36:46,254 Nobody has ever found the body. 610 00:36:46,288 --> 00:36:48,590 He was never charged with the murder. 611 00:36:48,624 --> 00:36:51,025 He's still alive. 612 00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:53,595 I remember saying to my partner, 613 00:36:53,629 --> 00:36:54,762 "I would like to make a movie 614 00:36:54,797 --> 00:36:56,364 "that Robert Durst himself could 615 00:36:56,398 --> 00:36:57,632 "sit and watch, and have 616 00:36:57,666 --> 00:36:59,033 an emotional reaction to." 617 00:37:04,523 --> 00:37:06,641 A call comes through. And I pick it up. 618 00:37:06,692 --> 00:37:12,313 And a sort of smaller voice on the line says, "Hello. 619 00:37:12,364 --> 00:37:13,865 I-I-Is this Eamonn Bowles?" 620 00:37:13,899 --> 00:37:14,983 So I said, "Yes." 621 00:37:15,034 --> 00:37:17,402 He goes, "Oh, this is Bob Durst." 622 00:37:17,453 --> 00:37:19,387 My blood froze. 623 00:37:19,421 --> 00:37:22,740 I went like, "Um, oh, hello, excuse me. Who is this? 624 00:37:22,791 --> 00:37:24,909 I thought this was someone else. Who's calling?" 625 00:37:24,911 --> 00:37:26,911 And he's like, "This is Bob Durst. 626 00:37:26,962 --> 00:37:31,416 I'm looking for Andrew Jarecki." And I'm like, "Oh!" 627 00:37:37,723 --> 00:37:39,140 Hello? 628 00:37:39,174 --> 00:37:40,341 Hi. Mr. Durst? 629 00:37:40,392 --> 00:37:41,926 Hi, Mr. Jarecki. How are you? 630 00:37:41,977 --> 00:37:43,428 I'm good. How are you? 631 00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:48,316 Good. I just saw the movie. 632 00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:51,536 So, I h-h-have an idea. 633 00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:53,988 I've no idea if it makes any sense. 634 00:37:54,073 --> 00:37:56,357 But, but you're the one to talk to about it. 635 00:37:56,408 --> 00:37:59,193 - Sure. - Would it make sense 636 00:37:59,244 --> 00:38:04,949 for as in some capacity there to be an interview with me 637 00:38:04,951 --> 00:38:07,235 related to what's in the movie? 638 00:38:07,269 --> 00:38:09,621 Yeah, I think that's a fascinating idea. 639 00:38:09,623 --> 00:38:12,173 I'll be in touch soon. I'm glad that we had a chance to talk. 640 00:38:12,207 --> 00:38:13,458 All righty. Bye-bye. 641 00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:14,876 Nice to talk to you. 642 00:38:18,514 --> 00:38:19,847 Mr. Jarecki. 643 00:38:19,882 --> 00:38:21,683 - How are you? - Good. How are you? 644 00:38:21,717 --> 00:38:22,767 Good. I think you should feel free 645 00:38:22,801 --> 00:38:24,969 to call me "Andrew," by the way. 646 00:38:24,971 --> 00:38:27,271 Andrew, how are you? 647 00:38:27,306 --> 00:38:29,440 I have over the years been approached 648 00:38:29,475 --> 00:38:32,310 by all the various interview shows. 649 00:38:32,312 --> 00:38:35,647 And I'm not interested in doing a "True Crime" kind of stuff. 650 00:38:35,698 --> 00:38:36,631 Right. 651 00:38:36,665 --> 00:38:39,150 You know more about Robert Durst 652 00:38:39,201 --> 00:38:40,818 than any of those people do. 653 00:38:42,871 --> 00:38:44,238 I guess the question is, you know, 654 00:38:44,289 --> 00:38:47,308 has anybody really done a piece on you 655 00:38:47,343 --> 00:38:52,230 where they didn't walk into it with a very strong assumption? 656 00:38:52,264 --> 00:38:56,668 One possibility is to have me interview you 657 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,587 after having made this film. 658 00:38:59,638 --> 00:39:02,390 I would tend to cooperate with you 659 00:39:02,424 --> 00:39:05,009 with whatever it was you're going to do. 660 00:39:05,011 --> 00:39:07,345 You, you've got all my phone numbers. 661 00:39:07,396 --> 00:39:08,763 I look forward to hearing from you. 662 00:39:08,814 --> 00:39:10,014 Sounds good. Talk to you soon. 663 00:39:10,065 --> 00:39:11,683 Bye-bye. 664 00:39:17,691 --> 00:39:19,407 As a criminal defense lawyer, 665 00:39:19,441 --> 00:39:22,026 you don't always get the truth. 666 00:39:22,028 --> 00:39:26,280 I'm not naive enough to think that you do. 667 00:39:26,331 --> 00:39:29,417 But you try to make a judgment 668 00:39:29,451 --> 00:39:31,586 of whether you're getting the truth. 669 00:39:33,539 --> 00:39:34,872 When you only have 670 00:39:34,923 --> 00:39:38,176 a murderer's word for what happened, 671 00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:41,879 why believe anything that comes out of the man's mouth? 672 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,185 What I need to say to you 673 00:39:47,219 --> 00:39:49,721 is that I believe Bob, 674 00:39:49,772 --> 00:39:52,023 and I believed him from the very beginning. 675 00:39:56,445 --> 00:39:59,230 I don't think Bob Durst is the kind of man 676 00:39:59,232 --> 00:40:02,033 that kills for the thrill of the kill. 677 00:40:02,067 --> 00:40:05,787 I don't think he takes any particular pleasure in killing. 678 00:40:09,958 --> 00:40:12,460 But if you back him in a corner, 679 00:40:12,494 --> 00:40:16,581 if you threaten his freedom, he'll kill ya.