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She had everything to live for,
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and yet she just disappeared.
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Now new and alarming questions
are being raised
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about what happened to a young
wife and medical student
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here in New York
some 20 years ago.
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Two decades later,
Kathie Durst is suddenly
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more than a memory,
thanks to a tip
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from a defendant
in an unrelated case.
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I had arrested an individual
named Timothy Martin.
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And Timmy was arrested for
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several counts
of public lewdness.
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He was basically
exposing himself to women.
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He was convicted,
and shortly before sentencing,
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his attorney contacted me
and stated that
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Timmy wanted to
sit down with me and talk to me
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about some information
he had on an old murder
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that occurred up here
in Northern Westchester.
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What he stated was that
he had heard that there was
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a young woman named Kathie Durst
who was murdered by her husband
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at their cottage
up in South Salem.
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I remember that day the little,
red light
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was flashing on my
answering machine,
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and I hit the button
and it was Joe Becerra.
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And he said,
"We're looking into the Kathie Durst case."
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My heart almost stopped.
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Explosion.
This whole set of fireworks that went out
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that was like hope
has been regenerated.
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We were, like, stunned.
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I mean, you know,
it's, you know, it's,
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don't forget it's almost
20 years after the fact.
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And all of a sudden,
Kathie's disappearance
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may be close at hand
in terms of a solution.
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These two guys
pulled up in a car,
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and they came onto the property
and said they were detectives
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and could they come in and look
at something in the house
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and ask me a couple questions.
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They looked into a closet,
and they took a shelf down
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and they started pulling things
out and dug back to an area that
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I didn't even know
existed in my house.
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I guess they were looking for
a weapon or, you know,
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bloodstains or something.
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No one had ever
searched the house.
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No one had ever attempted
to search the house,
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search the lake,
search anywhere else.
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I mean, it was very telling
that there was a whole area
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that needed to be investigated.
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That this case
was not investigated
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the way it should have been.
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No one even looked at it.
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You know,
starting at square one.
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Is Robert Durst a suspect?
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We're not ruling him in
and we're not ruling him out.
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He certainly was
a person who had
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the most information
about Kathleen Durst.
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So, you hear
about this investigation.
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You read the article.
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And it blew me away.
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Absolutely,
totally blew me away.
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I'd never heard the name
Jeanine Pirro before.
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And I was told
about Jeanine Pirro.
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Has higher aspirations.
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Wants to run for
something big statewide.
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I wasn't the least bit concerned
about the details.
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The divers searched the lake
until you're blue in the face.
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You took a wall out of the house.
Ridiculous.
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What were the divers for?
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Obviously,
they were looking for body parts,
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looking for something that
can be used as evidence.
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But what they don't announce
is what they found.
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And what did they find?
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Uh, nothing
of evidentiary value.
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I remember being disappointed,
uh, you know,
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that nothing came up
in the search.
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But it also piqued my interest.
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Because I knew,
based upon whether it was
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the inconsistent statements or,
you know,
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the prosecutors, or the cops,
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that there was
something more here.
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My name's Ed Murphy.
I'm a senior investigator
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with the Westchester
District Attorney's Office.
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I've been in law enforcement
approximately 40 years.
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Now with the case
being reopened,
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and it's being looked at again,
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certain things come
to the surface.
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And the decision was made
by my office
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to explore this
and see what we can do.
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So, we went back
and we reinterviewed
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everybody who was interviewed
20 years prior.
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When I started
speaking with Kathie's friends,
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they all said to me that
I should speak to Susan Berman.
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That she was a very close
friend of Bobby's.
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That they were close
since college.
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That when Kathie went missing,
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she protected Bobby
from the press.
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And they basically told me
if anyone knows anything
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about Kathie's disappearance,
it would be Susan Berman.
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Did you meet Susan Berman at UCLA?
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Yes, my very first summer there I met Susan.
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We became best friends right away.
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Susan and I would spend
a lot of time together,
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we could talk,
we had the thing in common,
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both of her parents died
when she was young,
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and I had one parent die
when I was young.
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And her background?
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Rich, Las Vegas, mobster father.
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This happy,
little girl was 5 years old
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when this snapshot was taken.
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Her mother had been
a tap dancer,
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but gave it up when she married.
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Her father was rich and powerful
and doted on his only child.
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That little girl today
is Susan Berman.
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And she's the author of
Easy Street.
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You grew up to age of 21
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not knowing that
your dad was a gangster.
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How'd you finally find out?
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A friend at UCLA, Jane, asked me
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if I'd seen a certain crime book
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that just came out.
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And I said, "No."
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And I ran to the store
in Los Angeles and looked,
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and there was my father,
described as
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an ex-con from Sing Sing
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who'd kill a man with
one hand behind his back.
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He was tied in
with the so-called
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"Murder Incorporated."
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After all, he was a bank robber
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at one time, you know.
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So...
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She was quite proud of him.
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And he was bigger than life.
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So, yes, she does,
yes, she deified him.
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She even had his mug shot framed
in the living room.
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Something happened
when she met Bobby Durst.
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It was like "Here's a man
as powerful as my father.
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"He is connected.
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"He has money.
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"He can always get
out of trouble.
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And he needs me."
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And she always used to say,
"He needs me."
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"We have a special friendship."
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19 years ago,
Robert Durst told police
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he had driven his wife
from their country house
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in South Salem, New York,
to this nearby train station,
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where she boarded
the city-bound train,
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headed for their
Manhattan apartment
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and a busy week
at medical school.
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But no one close to Kathie
would see her again.
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"The beautiful wife
of a wealthy Manhattan
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real estate developer
has disappeared."
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"There has been no trace of
sandy-haired Kathleen Durst, 29,
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"since January 31,
when she returned to her penthouse
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"after a weekend in the country.
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"The doorman at
37 Riverside Drive
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"saw her arrive home
that Sunday evening
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and go to her apartment."
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This would not be information
gleaned from the police.
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We wouldn't give that out.
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It's being fed
to the newspaper at that time
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from the Durst side.
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When Kathie disappeared,
I saw the media was calling.
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I told Susan, "I got a call from
this reporter and this reporter.
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Could you call them back
and you just handle it?"
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Since she was a writer,
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she was used to dealing
with the press.
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Susan took it upon herself
to become his spokesperson.
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She was facilitating a
story that established the fact
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that Kathie arrived
in Manhattan alive.
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Bob and Susan were in
a concerted campaign
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to plant these ideas out there,
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and already people are starting
to pick up on them.
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So, it becomes that much
more difficult
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to find out what
really happened.
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If you reconstruct
the case of Kathie,
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there were several people
who saw Kathie
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when we know she was dead.
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And she was heard from
Monday morning.
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Mrs. Durst was a fourth year
medical student
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here at the Albert Einstein
College of Medicine,
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and she was to have
a clinic class that morning,
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but she called up saying
she wasn't feeling well
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and she wouldn't be in that day.
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And as far as police know,
that's the last time
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that anyone
had contact with her.
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The dean at the medical school,
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obviously somebody was, um,
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assisted Mr. Durst
in calling him.
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Who do you think that might have been?
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Well, sitting here today,
it's, it,
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my, my money would be
that it was Susan Berman.
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In our minds,
Kathie made it to Manhattan.
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So, with luck and a little bit of...
cunning,
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it slipped through.
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He got that one past us,
I guess.
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I think we all know now,
30 years later,
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that anything Bob says
you have to question, you know.
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I don't think they
thought that way then.
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You want to talk
about the guts of our case?
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The guts of our case is that
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Kathie Durst and Bob Durst
were married.
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The marriage spun
out of control.
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Became increasingly volatile.
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We found out she
asked him for a divorce.
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Got a divorce attorney.
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That prior Thursday
before she went missing,
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Kathie's attorney
told her that Bob Durst
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had turned down their request
for an agreement on a divorce.
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So, 3 days prior to this,
you know,
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Bob's turning down
this settlement
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that she wants in this divorce,
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and they're going
up there together.
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At the time
of her disappearance,
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they were together in the
upstate house in South Salem.
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And there is no evidence,
credible evidence,
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that she ever left South Salem.
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I don't know
how he killed her, but
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I don't think she ever got on a train,
that's for sure.
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Did you have anything to do
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with the death of your wife?
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I don't know that she's dead.
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Do you think that it's
possible that she's alive now?
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It's possible.
Not likely.
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It's not what I think.
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I think she's almost
definitely dead.
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But I don't know
that she's dead.
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So, to put a finer point on it,
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did you have anything to do
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with the disappearance
of your wife?
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No.
I don't know where she is.
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I don't know
what happened to her.
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I don't know how
it happened to her.
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I had nothing to do
with what happened to her,
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except very, um,
obliquely or whatever you would...
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It was a bad marriage
and that was at least half,
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probably a lot more, my fault.
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But other than that,
I had nothing to do with
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what caused her or what happened
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to her disappearance,
in her disappearance.
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When he gives his
original statement to the police,
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he leaves the car at home.
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Doesn't bring it into the city.
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Doesn't have the car the day
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he reports her missing,
you know?
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Maybe he was afraid
to have the car there,
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because they might want
to search it or look at it.
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He probably took Kathie,
put her in the trunk of the car,
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and got rid of her somewhere.
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We did some phone record
sweeping, and we found that
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some of the phone records show
that the Durst Organization
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got collect phone calls
from Ship Bottom, New Jersey,
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on Tuesday,
after Kathie's disappearance.
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We were able to track down
where those calls came from.
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And there was a coin-operated
phone in the laundromat.
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Now, how do we know that
Bob Durst made those calls?
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Well, one of the things we know
is that there are only
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two people who made collect
calls to the Durst Organization.
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We know that from
the people who worked there.
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And one of those people
was Bob Durst.
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The other person was Seymour.
259
00:16:03,579 --> 00:16:06,613
So, Seymour undoubtedly wasn't
in Ship Bottom that day.
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You used to
call the office collect.
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Oh, all the time.
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- Tell me about that.
- I would call the office collect.
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Why did you do that?
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I didn't want to pay for it.
Let Seymour pay for it.
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The only reason I'm calling
is because he wants me to call.
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There were a series
of collect calls
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made from Ship Bottom,
New Jersey.
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That's on the coast somewhere.
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- Yeah.
- So, there are 3 calls made
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to the Durst Organization
from Ship Bottom.
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Now, you were
the collect call guy,
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so, I think the speculation is
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"Well, Bob must have
made those phone calls."
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Except Bob didn't
make those calls.
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Bob was not in Ship Bottom.
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Can you think of any reason why
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these phone calls,
these collect calls,
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would be made to
the Durst Organization
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during the day?
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I have no idea
who made the calls.
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Were there other people
that you knew of
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that would make collect
calls to the company?
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00:17:12,064 --> 00:17:13,513
Several. Yes.
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Yes.
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Executives?
Or family members?
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Somebody had a,
had a beach house
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and was calling and, and getting
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one of the receptionists...
Not the usual receptionist...
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To accept the calls.
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That had happened periodically
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that spring and summer and fall.
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Make no mistake,
we went digging looking for a body.
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I mean, you know,
we know that he was in New Jersey
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within a couple of days
of her disappearance.
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Do you have any thought
about where she is?
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About where her body might be?
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I have no idea.
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Wouldn't know how to begin.
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00:18:08,904 --> 00:18:12,155
Wouldn't know if her body...
If she was dead... I would not know
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00:18:12,207 --> 00:18:15,909
if her body would be
in the State of New York,
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00:18:15,961 --> 00:18:17,243
or in the State of New Jersey
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00:18:17,295 --> 00:18:21,548
or in the Northern Hemisphere,
or anything like that.
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00:18:26,254 --> 00:18:27,254
If you go to Ship Bottom
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00:18:27,305 --> 00:18:29,422
and the area surrounding
the Pine Barrens,
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00:18:29,474 --> 00:18:32,092
you see ample, ample real estate
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00:18:32,094 --> 00:18:33,494
where he could have
dumped the body.
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00:18:37,015 --> 00:18:39,899
It's actually a place
where mob bosses
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00:18:39,935 --> 00:18:41,651
used to order that
bodies be dumped.
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00:18:44,439 --> 00:18:46,489
And what connection is that?
Well, Susan Berman,
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who was very friendly
with Bob at the time,
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had a lot of connections
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and a lot of friends
in organized crime.
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I would say
that Susan would do anything
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to help her close friends.
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00:19:01,923 --> 00:19:04,040
No matter the situation.
Mm-hmm.
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00:19:05,043 --> 00:19:06,960
She was... She was loyal.
317
00:19:07,012 --> 00:19:10,463
I think she was a loyal soul
to the end.
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00:19:17,139 --> 00:19:19,022
What was your
relationship with Susan Berman
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00:19:19,057 --> 00:19:21,057
over all those years?
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00:19:21,109 --> 00:19:23,143
When Kathie disappeared,
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initially the first
several years,
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Susan was living,
still living in New York.
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00:19:27,783 --> 00:19:30,984
And I saw her frequently
in New York.
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00:19:30,986 --> 00:19:33,903
Then she moved to Los Angeles.
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00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,541
I went online
and I traced Susan Berman
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00:19:38,577 --> 00:19:41,327
from Beekman Place
all the way out
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00:19:41,329 --> 00:19:44,247
to Benedict Canyon
in California.
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00:19:44,299 --> 00:19:48,334
I gave the police
a map to her door.
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00:19:48,386 --> 00:19:52,088
And I said, "Whatever you do,
interview this woman.
330
00:19:52,140 --> 00:19:54,340
"She knows more than
she's saying.
331
00:19:54,426 --> 00:19:55,675
"She's a good friend of Bob's.
332
00:19:55,677 --> 00:19:58,344
Maybe she won't tell you anything,
but maybe she will."
333
00:19:59,681 --> 00:20:02,148
We had a conversation
in which I said, "Susan,
334
00:20:02,184 --> 00:20:05,068
"did you see the piece
in the New York Times
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00:20:05,103 --> 00:20:08,521
about Kathie Durst's
case being reopened?"
336
00:20:08,523 --> 00:20:10,356
And she said,
"Julie, don't talk to me about that.
337
00:20:10,408 --> 00:20:12,575
"I don't want
to talk about that.
338
00:20:12,611 --> 00:20:14,444
They're out to get Bobby."
339
00:20:14,496 --> 00:20:15,578
That's what she said.
340
00:20:25,707 --> 00:20:28,258
Did you have contact
with Susan around that same time?
341
00:20:28,293 --> 00:20:29,425
Yes.
342
00:20:29,461 --> 00:20:31,794
What did she say,
if you remember?
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00:20:31,847 --> 00:20:34,714
- She wrote, "Oh, Bobby.
- This is terrible for you.
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00:20:34,716 --> 00:20:38,301
I hate that you have
to go through this."
345
00:20:38,353 --> 00:20:39,719
But you heard from her
that she had been
346
00:20:39,771 --> 00:20:40,720
contacted by the police?
347
00:20:40,772 --> 00:20:42,856
- Yes.
- What did she say?
348
00:20:42,891 --> 00:20:45,108
"The Los Angeles Police
contacted me.
349
00:20:45,143 --> 00:20:48,528
They want to talk to me about
Kathie Durst's disappearance."
350
00:20:51,399 --> 00:20:53,900
Something happens to Susan then.
351
00:20:53,952 --> 00:20:58,071
Oh, not long after that,
Susan Berman was murdered.
352
00:20:58,073 --> 00:21:01,074
Around Christmas of 2000.
353
00:21:43,087 --> 00:21:45,589
Tell me about the last time you saw her.
354
00:21:45,754 --> 00:21:47,203
Yeah, I was going to Europe for,
355
00:21:47,255 --> 00:21:50,039
like, 3-ish weeks
for the holiday.
356
00:21:50,091 --> 00:21:51,811
And my, I had no parking
in my neighborhood,
357
00:21:51,843 --> 00:21:53,376
so, I parked my car
in the garage,
358
00:21:53,428 --> 00:21:55,545
and Susan kept her car here.
359
00:21:55,597 --> 00:21:58,348
And we hung out
and sort of exchanged
360
00:21:58,383 --> 00:22:01,467
gifts and cards and well wishes,
361
00:22:01,469 --> 00:22:04,137
and then the taxi came and,
you know, we said, "I love you,"
362
00:22:04,139 --> 00:22:05,638
and I got in the taxi and left.
363
00:22:14,118 --> 00:22:17,079
When did Susan Berman first
become a part of your life?
364
00:22:17,246 --> 00:22:18,901
I met her at 13.
365
00:22:18,954 --> 00:22:21,321
She, uh,
had started dating my father.
366
00:22:23,158 --> 00:22:25,708
We moved in with her, uh,
367
00:22:25,744 --> 00:22:28,628
I want to say, like,
a year into their dating.
368
00:22:31,499 --> 00:22:36,419
Because of how light,
happy, joyous, quick,
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00:22:36,471 --> 00:22:39,505
brilliant, aware she was,
370
00:22:39,507 --> 00:22:43,810
daily life was
fascinating and fun.
371
00:22:43,845 --> 00:22:46,262
She laughs a lot.
She laughed a lot.
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00:22:46,314 --> 00:22:50,933
And, um, you know,
frivolously spent a lot.
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00:22:50,986 --> 00:22:54,103
And everything could be
turned into a story.
374
00:22:56,274 --> 00:22:58,524
She came alive
for those few years
375
00:22:58,576 --> 00:23:00,360
that she became their mother.
376
00:23:00,362 --> 00:23:04,447
It was, it was just,
it was wonderful to see.
377
00:23:04,499 --> 00:23:07,617
When the relationship of their
father's was breaking up,
378
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:11,537
both of these kids,
willingly and together,
379
00:23:11,539 --> 00:23:14,590
made the declaration
that they are choosing
380
00:23:14,626 --> 00:23:16,542
to live with their mother Susan.
381
00:23:18,813 --> 00:23:23,299
When I called and she didn't
pick up Christmas Eve,
382
00:23:23,351 --> 00:23:25,685
obviously I didn't know what,
but something was wrong.
383
00:23:27,689 --> 00:23:28,938
Well, I called because
384
00:23:28,973 --> 00:23:31,224
she was late for dinner
by a half-hour,
385
00:23:31,226 --> 00:23:33,643
and she was always very,
very punctual
386
00:23:33,695 --> 00:23:35,695
when it came to
little family dos.
387
00:23:39,951 --> 00:23:41,951
I said,
"Susie. It's Deni.
388
00:23:41,986 --> 00:23:44,904
"Um, I hope you didn't confuse
tonight with tomorrow night.
389
00:23:44,956 --> 00:23:46,823
"I've got Koo Koo Roo.
We're waiting for you.
390
00:23:46,875 --> 00:23:48,708
"Tommy's hungry.
Mom's hungry.
391
00:23:48,743 --> 00:23:50,410
Where are you?"
392
00:23:50,462 --> 00:23:54,330
So, then the phone did pick up.
It was a man's voice.
393
00:23:54,382 --> 00:23:55,665
I said, "Who's this?"
394
00:23:55,717 --> 00:23:57,166
He said, "Detective..."
395
00:23:57,218 --> 00:24:00,753
I didn't even hear his name.
I heard the word "detective"
396
00:24:00,755 --> 00:24:02,588
from the L.A.
Police Department.
397
00:24:06,895 --> 00:24:09,011
"On December 24, 2000,
398
00:24:09,064 --> 00:24:12,465
"West Los Angeles patrol officers
responded to a radio call...
399
00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:16,502
Open door at 1527
Benedict Canyon Drive."
400
00:24:18,073 --> 00:24:20,239
"The officers,
upon arriving at the scene,
401
00:24:20,275 --> 00:24:22,008
"observed the rear door
standing open,
402
00:24:22,043 --> 00:24:23,443
and entered the residence."
403
00:24:25,613 --> 00:24:27,613
"The officers discovered
the victim's body
404
00:24:27,665 --> 00:24:29,949
"supine on the floor
of a bedroom
405
00:24:30,001 --> 00:24:32,952
located in the southwest
portion of the residence."
406
00:24:34,956 --> 00:24:38,791
"The victim had sustained
a gunshot wound to the head.
407
00:24:38,793 --> 00:24:42,128
Paramedic pronounced death
at 13:48 hours."
408
00:24:46,384 --> 00:24:49,352
The first thing I remember was
the condition of the house.
409
00:24:49,387 --> 00:24:52,188
Uh, it was, uh, pretty barren.
410
00:24:52,223 --> 00:24:54,307
I think all the furniture
that was in there
411
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,776
was things that people
had loaned her.
412
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,415
There was no carpeting
on the concrete floors.
413
00:25:02,450 --> 00:25:04,717
There was no heat
in the residence.
414
00:25:07,188 --> 00:25:08,554
And there's no
drawers overturned.
415
00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:10,022
Nothing had spilled out.
416
00:25:10,058 --> 00:25:12,725
Everything is intact.
The computer is there.
417
00:25:14,662 --> 00:25:17,563
The front door was
secured with deadbolt locks.
418
00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:20,166
There was no evidence of
any kind of forced entry.
419
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:23,836
Which meant to me,
or indicated to me,
420
00:25:23,888 --> 00:25:27,006
that whoever killed her
had probably
421
00:25:27,058 --> 00:25:30,476
been let in by Susan Berman.
422
00:25:46,361 --> 00:25:49,862
I'm in an office
waiting to interview someone.
423
00:25:49,914 --> 00:25:51,247
And I look at The Daily News,
424
00:25:51,282 --> 00:25:54,033
and there's this tiny,
little story out of L.A.
425
00:25:54,085 --> 00:25:58,871
that Susan Berman was
found shot dead in L.A.
426
00:25:58,873 --> 00:26:00,289
And I almost
fell out of my chair.
427
00:26:00,341 --> 00:26:03,042
I just sat straight up
and I wanted to leave.
428
00:26:06,764 --> 00:26:10,883
That was probably
the only time in this case
429
00:26:10,935 --> 00:26:13,853
that really,
really took my breath away.
430
00:26:13,888 --> 00:26:16,105
I was standing up
when I answered the phone.
431
00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:18,224
I felt my knees get weak.
432
00:26:18,276 --> 00:26:21,477
Because I, it was like,
I told them, "Go out there."
433
00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:29,202
When I heard
that Susan had been murdered,
434
00:26:29,237 --> 00:26:31,954
the first person I thought of
was Robert Durst.
435
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:33,739
Because we were about
to speak with her.
436
00:26:35,929 --> 00:26:38,077
Susan Berman wasn't just killed.
437
00:26:38,129 --> 00:26:40,580
I mean, it was execution.
438
00:26:40,582 --> 00:26:43,416
Her death is a very
questionable death,
439
00:26:43,418 --> 00:26:45,384
not just in terms of the fact
that it was a homicide,
440
00:26:45,420 --> 00:26:48,638
but the timing is
extremely curious.
441
00:26:54,762 --> 00:26:57,730
How did you react when
you heard about Susan's murder?
442
00:26:57,765 --> 00:27:00,900
I felt terrible for Susan.
443
00:27:00,935 --> 00:27:02,852
I was astonished that they were
444
00:27:02,904 --> 00:27:05,021
putting all this together
that I did it
445
00:27:05,073 --> 00:27:07,773
or I caused it to be done.
446
00:27:07,825 --> 00:27:11,110
Did you have anything to do
with Susan Berman's death?
447
00:27:11,112 --> 00:27:14,614
I had nothing to do
with Susan Berman's death.
448
00:27:16,417 --> 00:27:18,117
Did you have any theory yourself
449
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,002
of what might have
happened to Susan?
450
00:27:20,038 --> 00:27:21,203
No.
451
00:27:26,844 --> 00:27:28,628
Does it make sense
to you that there were
452
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:30,429
people that suspected
you of having...?
453
00:27:30,465 --> 00:27:33,099
Oh, sure.
I mean, because
454
00:27:33,134 --> 00:27:34,800
she was my spokesman.
455
00:27:34,802 --> 00:27:35,968
All of a sudden, she's dead
456
00:27:36,020 --> 00:27:40,523
right after Jeanine Pirro's
doing the investigation of me.
457
00:27:40,558 --> 00:27:42,558
Mm-hmm.
458
00:27:42,610 --> 00:27:43,693
That I shut her up.
459
00:27:47,482 --> 00:27:48,698
She wrote about mobsters,
460
00:27:48,733 --> 00:27:51,083
and she was the daughter of one.
461
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,568
So, when author Susan Berman
462
00:27:52,620 --> 00:27:55,321
was found dead of a single
gunshot wound to the head
463
00:27:55,373 --> 00:27:57,957
at her Benedict Canyon home
on Christmas Eve,
464
00:27:57,992 --> 00:28:00,576
all of the obvious
questions came up.
465
00:28:00,628 --> 00:28:02,828
Mostly
"Was it a mob-style hit?"
466
00:28:07,335 --> 00:28:09,251
We were surprised
to learn that Robert Durst
467
00:28:09,304 --> 00:28:12,555
was not a suspect
in Susan Berman's murder.
468
00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:17,677
The LAPD was looking at mob
connections of that murder.
469
00:28:17,729 --> 00:28:20,262
Susan Berman's
business manager said that
470
00:28:20,315 --> 00:28:22,431
she had been working on
television projects
471
00:28:22,483 --> 00:28:26,402
about the mob's days in Las Vegas
when she was killed.
472
00:28:26,437 --> 00:28:29,071
She did talk to me about
something she was working on
473
00:28:29,107 --> 00:28:30,439
that I think was not
a screenplay.
474
00:28:30,491 --> 00:28:32,274
I think it was
a journalism story.
475
00:28:32,327 --> 00:28:35,361
And I think that
it involved the mob.
476
00:28:35,363 --> 00:28:36,612
"Something big."
477
00:28:36,664 --> 00:28:40,916
She was going to blow the socks
off of something.
478
00:28:40,952 --> 00:28:43,536
"Something big was
going to happen."
479
00:28:43,538 --> 00:28:46,172
And I said, "Well, what?"
480
00:28:46,207 --> 00:28:47,373
"Well,
I can't talk about it now,
481
00:28:47,425 --> 00:28:49,425
but something big is
going to happen."
482
00:28:59,887 --> 00:29:01,520
I was suspicious right away.
483
00:29:03,391 --> 00:29:05,141
Back of the head.
484
00:29:05,193 --> 00:29:08,694
That's traditional
in mob killings.
485
00:29:46,267 --> 00:29:47,987
The Beverly Hills
Police Department received
486
00:29:48,019 --> 00:29:50,152
a letter in the mail.
487
00:29:50,188 --> 00:29:53,105
The envelope was addressed
"Beverly Hills Police."
488
00:29:53,157 --> 00:29:54,657
Beverly is spelled wrong,
489
00:29:54,692 --> 00:29:58,444
spelled with LEY
instead of just LY.
490
00:29:58,496 --> 00:30:03,282
And the note read,
"1527 Benedict Canyon,"
491
00:30:03,334 --> 00:30:04,950
and the word "Cadaver."
492
00:30:07,038 --> 00:30:08,838
The letter was
postmarked the day before
493
00:30:08,873 --> 00:30:12,258
the discovery of
the victim's body.
494
00:30:12,293 --> 00:30:13,959
That letter says a lot.
495
00:30:14,011 --> 00:30:17,379
It gets mailed to
a police department,
496
00:30:17,432 --> 00:30:21,634
so that somebody would
come and find her body
497
00:30:21,686 --> 00:30:28,274
so it's not sitting there,
decomposing, rotting away.
498
00:30:28,309 --> 00:30:31,143
I mean, it's somebody that
obviously cares about her.
499
00:30:35,366 --> 00:30:39,452
So, we eliminated the mafia
being a possible suspect.
500
00:30:45,576 --> 00:30:46,876
So, what do you
think about this?
501
00:30:46,911 --> 00:30:47,960
About this note?
502
00:30:47,995 --> 00:30:50,162
I mean, does this note
mean anything to you?
503
00:30:50,164 --> 00:30:52,548
Yeah, I mean,
that's her address.
504
00:30:52,583 --> 00:30:56,218
Block letters so somebody
was hiding their signature.
505
00:30:56,254 --> 00:30:58,838
And they spelled
"Beverly" wrong.
506
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,339
Can you think of a reason
507
00:31:00,391 --> 00:31:03,676
why somebody might
write a note like that?
508
00:31:03,728 --> 00:31:06,228
I can't imagine.
509
00:31:06,264 --> 00:31:08,013
Can't imagine.
510
00:31:08,015 --> 00:31:09,982
One of the speculations is that
511
00:31:10,017 --> 00:31:11,567
if it was somebody
that liked her,
512
00:31:11,602 --> 00:31:14,436
they wouldn't want her
lying around in her house.
513
00:31:14,489 --> 00:31:15,688
You know, if she had to die,
she shouldn't die...
514
00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:18,190
If somebody liked her,
why kill her?
515
00:31:18,242 --> 00:31:22,194
And now you're taking
this big risk.
516
00:31:24,165 --> 00:31:25,748
Which big risk?
517
00:31:25,783 --> 00:31:28,367
You're writing
a note to the police
518
00:31:28,369 --> 00:31:31,253
that only the killer
could have written.
519
00:31:36,878 --> 00:31:38,318
One of the things
that we confiscated
520
00:31:38,346 --> 00:31:41,463
was Susan's computer hard drive.
521
00:31:41,516 --> 00:31:43,766
And we found a ledger,
522
00:31:43,801 --> 00:31:48,137
of names of people
that had sent her money.
523
00:31:48,189 --> 00:31:50,639
She was reaching out to past
524
00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:55,027
business associates
or friends for money.
525
00:31:59,450 --> 00:32:01,617
She started
having money problems.
526
00:32:03,704 --> 00:32:06,155
She was months behind in rent.
527
00:32:07,252 --> 00:32:10,088
What was she saying about her situation?
528
00:32:10,244 --> 00:32:12,044
You know,
she's going to get through this.
529
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:16,999
She has deals that, uh,
were looking good with, you know,
530
00:32:17,051 --> 00:32:18,968
different projects
there in Hollywood.
531
00:32:21,255 --> 00:32:23,806
Susan wrote
a lot of screenplays.
532
00:32:23,841 --> 00:32:26,425
She had a lot of meetings.
533
00:32:26,477 --> 00:32:29,345
And she had so much
faith in herself.
534
00:32:29,397 --> 00:32:30,596
She really did.
535
00:32:30,598 --> 00:32:34,600
Um, but none of the screenplays
ever got bought.
536
00:32:37,071 --> 00:32:38,270
Being a woman,
537
00:32:38,272 --> 00:32:41,407
being an older woman
in this young industry
538
00:32:41,442 --> 00:32:45,194
just was hard
and getting harder.
539
00:32:48,616 --> 00:32:50,950
She was in desperate straits.
540
00:32:50,952 --> 00:32:52,518
So, Susan in desperate straits
541
00:32:52,553 --> 00:32:54,954
was very different than
the Susan that I knew.
542
00:32:55,006 --> 00:32:59,291
People do things that...
Their relationships change.
543
00:32:59,293 --> 00:33:02,177
Susan could manipulate,
for sure.
544
00:33:04,682 --> 00:33:06,131
She was a good manipulator
545
00:33:06,133 --> 00:33:08,300
and could manipulate
for things that she wanted.
546
00:33:20,197 --> 00:33:21,981
There was indications
that she had received
547
00:33:21,983 --> 00:33:23,649
a couple checks
from Bobby Durst.
548
00:33:33,327 --> 00:33:35,210
Susan was tough.
549
00:33:35,246 --> 00:33:38,664
And it, you know,
it probably would not have scared her to...
550
00:33:38,716 --> 00:33:40,749
I'm not saying
"threaten blackmail,"
551
00:33:40,801 --> 00:33:44,303
but to suggest,
"I can really use..."
552
00:33:44,338 --> 00:33:47,389
You know?
"And wouldn't it do us both some..."
553
00:33:47,425 --> 00:33:48,425
I could see it.
554
00:33:57,518 --> 00:34:00,736
Was there anything that
Susan knew as your confidante
555
00:34:00,821 --> 00:34:03,072
that you would have been uncomfortable
with her telling the police?
556
00:34:03,107 --> 00:34:04,773
Well, we had lots
of private things,
557
00:34:04,825 --> 00:34:06,358
but none of it had
anything to do with Kathie.
558
00:34:06,410 --> 00:34:09,244
I mean, when Kathie was,
you know, going bananas,
559
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,114
we would talk about Kathie
all the time.
560
00:34:12,166 --> 00:34:17,369
I couldn't imagine her talking
to the police about that,
561
00:34:17,421 --> 00:34:19,455
just sitting here right now.
562
00:34:19,507 --> 00:34:20,789
But "If the police
want to talk to me,
563
00:34:20,841 --> 00:34:22,124
"I'm just going to talk to them.
564
00:34:22,176 --> 00:34:24,710
Is that all right?"
And, like, that was the conversation.
565
00:34:24,712 --> 00:34:25,794
"Do whatever you want."
566
00:34:33,604 --> 00:34:34,803
My name is Sareb Kaufman.
567
00:34:34,855 --> 00:34:37,523
Um, Susan Berman was my mother.
568
00:34:39,226 --> 00:34:41,310
There's just one request
that I would like to make,
569
00:34:41,362 --> 00:34:44,279
which is that we keep
the best in mind,
570
00:34:44,315 --> 00:34:48,400
and try not to dwell too much
on the sadness of these events.
571
00:34:49,987 --> 00:34:53,622
People were
flying in for the memorial,
572
00:34:53,657 --> 00:34:57,076
and it was expected Bobby
was going to be there.
573
00:34:58,329 --> 00:35:01,130
I believe he was
in L.A. at the time,
574
00:35:01,165 --> 00:35:02,664
but he didn't come
to the funeral...
575
00:35:02,717 --> 00:35:04,133
To the memorial service.
576
00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:09,150
But, Bob reached out to you, right?
577
00:35:09,256 --> 00:35:10,672
Yes. He called me.
578
00:35:12,259 --> 00:35:14,059
I found the call
a little bit threatening,
579
00:35:14,095 --> 00:35:15,227
to tell you the truth.
580
00:35:15,262 --> 00:35:18,514
Um, he said...
581
00:35:18,566 --> 00:35:20,766
I, I don't recall
what he really said.
582
00:35:20,818 --> 00:35:23,152
You know, I don't recall what he gave
as the reason for the call.
583
00:35:23,187 --> 00:35:24,269
It could have been
something like
584
00:35:24,271 --> 00:35:25,821
"Just checking in with you."
585
00:35:25,856 --> 00:35:28,857
Never interested in me
for one second.
586
00:35:28,909 --> 00:35:31,443
Bobby called.
And why wouldn't he call?
587
00:35:31,445 --> 00:35:34,580
He was her best friend...
Or one of her best friends.
588
00:35:34,615 --> 00:35:36,915
And we commiserated with that.
589
00:35:38,521 --> 00:35:39,856
What did he say?
590
00:35:39,969 --> 00:35:41,670
"My God, isn't this awful?"
591
00:35:42,809 --> 00:35:45,770
Did he ask about the investigation
into Susan's murder?
592
00:35:46,043 --> 00:35:50,379
Maybe he did,
now that you're saying that.
593
00:35:50,431 --> 00:35:55,134
He was trying to,
to make allies in Susan's camp.
594
00:35:55,186 --> 00:35:56,802
For what reason, I'm not sure.
595
00:35:56,854 --> 00:35:58,637
Maybe, you know, to keep us from
596
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,389
talking to the cops,
which we already had.
597
00:36:00,441 --> 00:36:01,774
I, I have no idea.
598
00:36:01,809 --> 00:36:04,610
But he definitely was
trying to, to, um,
599
00:36:04,645 --> 00:36:06,779
find out where
he could find allies.
600
00:36:10,503 --> 00:36:14,090
When was the first contact that you had
with Bob after Susan's murder?
601
00:36:14,405 --> 00:36:18,040
It was shortly after.
Um, I, I forget if
602
00:36:18,075 --> 00:36:19,241
he called me or I called him.
603
00:36:19,293 --> 00:36:20,793
I mean, there...
It was a point where I was kind of
604
00:36:20,828 --> 00:36:23,378
going through her Rolodex
and just letting people know.
605
00:36:23,414 --> 00:36:25,247
This was kind of again, like,
I was calling the reporters,
606
00:36:25,299 --> 00:36:27,132
I was calling,
you know, the police.
607
00:36:27,168 --> 00:36:29,501
He was obviously very
sympathetic and, you know,
608
00:36:29,553 --> 00:36:32,221
sad to hear about it,
and asked what he could do.
609
00:36:33,941 --> 00:36:35,307
And then it was around that time
610
00:36:35,342 --> 00:36:39,344
that people were starting
to talk about him as a suspect.
611
00:36:39,396 --> 00:36:41,346
But it never made sense to me.
612
00:36:41,348 --> 00:36:43,482
Not for even a second.
613
00:36:44,852 --> 00:36:46,485
I knew how Susan felt about him.
614
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,240
Sareb and Bobby
became very close
615
00:36:51,275 --> 00:36:52,691
right after Susan died.
616
00:36:53,861 --> 00:36:56,028
Which was a problem, because
617
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,165
the rest of us... You know,
618
00:37:00,201 --> 00:37:02,868
felt that we were living
in different realities.
619
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,339
When people try to explain to me
the predominant theory as to,
620
00:37:07,374 --> 00:37:09,374
"Hey, his wife went missing,
and, you know,
621
00:37:09,426 --> 00:37:10,759
plenty of people
think he killed her"
622
00:37:10,845 --> 00:37:12,928
and "Hey, look,
they just opened up this case
623
00:37:12,963 --> 00:37:14,680
"just, you know, a month before,
624
00:37:14,715 --> 00:37:18,550
two months before,
isn't that curious?"
625
00:37:18,602 --> 00:37:21,220
And "Hey, there's no such thing
as coincidence."
626
00:37:21,222 --> 00:37:25,107
Um, it... I first say,
"Of course there is coincidence.
627
00:37:25,142 --> 00:37:26,558
There's always coincidence."
628
00:37:28,812 --> 00:37:30,896
Yes, he is a part of the list,
629
00:37:30,948 --> 00:37:33,649
because he would have
been allowed in.
630
00:37:33,701 --> 00:37:36,568
He, you know, she would have
turned her back on him,
631
00:37:36,620 --> 00:37:37,786
you know.
632
00:37:37,821 --> 00:37:41,240
But, uh, nothing else make,
makes sense to me on that.
633
00:37:43,327 --> 00:37:44,960
I can see how a young person,
634
00:37:44,995 --> 00:37:48,213
who had just lost
his mother figure
635
00:37:48,249 --> 00:37:50,999
and he was starting out in life,
636
00:37:51,051 --> 00:37:54,753
would like to believe
in a multimillionaire
637
00:37:54,755 --> 00:37:56,638
who could be his good friend.
638
00:37:57,777 --> 00:38:00,613
After Susan's death,
did Bob ever give you money?
639
00:38:01,095 --> 00:38:03,095
Well, no, it wasn't...
I mean, well,
640
00:38:03,097 --> 00:38:06,098
he had, well,
he basically in a conversation
641
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:08,183
that we had had at some point,
642
00:38:08,235 --> 00:38:11,436
again it came up,
I hadn't gone to college.
643
00:38:11,488 --> 00:38:14,606
He asked me,
"How much would it cost for you to go?"
644
00:38:14,658 --> 00:38:17,910
And so I, you know, I told him,
"About $200,000."
645
00:38:17,945 --> 00:38:20,028
It was a little padded,
admittedly, but not by much.
646
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,282
I mean, it was tuition, living,
being able to focus.
647
00:38:23,334 --> 00:38:25,500
He said, "I'll give you
$25,000 a year for 4 years."
648
00:38:29,558 --> 00:38:30,558
In the months after that
649
00:38:30,601 --> 00:38:31,936
did you see Bob again?
650
00:38:32,343 --> 00:38:33,792
On his next trip around,
651
00:38:33,844 --> 00:38:35,961
Bob said he wanted
to have dinner.
652
00:38:36,783 --> 00:38:38,243
And, did you have that dinner?
653
00:38:38,432 --> 00:38:39,681
We did not.
654
00:38:39,717 --> 00:38:41,049
We did not have that dinner.
655
00:38:41,204 --> 00:38:42,405
Why didn't that happen?
656
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:44,219
Because apparently
shortly thereafter,
657
00:38:44,271 --> 00:38:48,307
he was on the run for the, uh...
Well,
658
00:38:48,359 --> 00:38:50,859
at the time it was arrested for
659
00:38:50,894 --> 00:38:54,146
murder and dismemberment
of a body.
660
00:38:54,198 --> 00:38:57,366
So, he missed the dinner.
661
00:39:05,709 --> 00:39:07,125
Galveston Police are convinced
662
00:39:07,161 --> 00:39:09,628
58-year-old Robert Durst
killed and dismembered
663
00:39:09,663 --> 00:39:11,997
his 71-year-old-neighbor
Morris Black,
664
00:39:11,999 --> 00:39:14,333
then threw his body parts
into Galveston Bay.
665
00:39:16,303 --> 00:39:18,337
I spent one night in prison.
666
00:39:20,841 --> 00:39:24,426
I had been told by
the detective that, uh,
667
00:39:24,478 --> 00:39:26,228
"You've been charged
with murder.
668
00:39:26,263 --> 00:39:30,148
Bail has been set at $250,000."
669
00:39:30,184 --> 00:39:32,851
And I didn't think that when
you were charged with murder...
670
00:39:32,903 --> 00:39:36,104
I mean, I didn't know nothing,
but you, you can't give
671
00:39:36,156 --> 00:39:38,156
someone charged
with murder a bail,
672
00:39:38,192 --> 00:39:40,993
because they're going to run away,
of course!
673
00:39:41,028 --> 00:39:42,411
But was your intention
when you put up
674
00:39:42,446 --> 00:39:44,913
the $250,000 to run away?
675
00:39:44,948 --> 00:39:47,366
Oh, good-bye, $250,000.
676
00:39:47,368 --> 00:39:50,035
Good-bye, jail.
I'm, I'm out!
677
00:39:54,708 --> 00:39:56,625
Manhattan
real estate heir Robert Durst
678
00:39:56,677 --> 00:39:58,260
back in custody.
679
00:39:58,295 --> 00:40:00,712
Busted while trying
to shoplift a $6.00
680
00:40:00,764 --> 00:40:03,849
chicken salad sandwich
at a Pennsylvania market.
681
00:40:06,053 --> 00:40:08,854
I went into the Wegmans
to do grocery shopping,
682
00:40:08,889 --> 00:40:10,222
get the newspaper.
683
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:17,396
I don't know what gave me the
idea that I should shoplift.
684
00:40:17,398 --> 00:40:20,365
To see if I could get away with it,
or whatever it was.
685
00:40:20,401 --> 00:40:22,484
But I decided
rather than to pay,
686
00:40:22,536 --> 00:40:23,902
I was just going to take it.
687
00:40:27,074 --> 00:40:28,073
And as I was leaving,
688
00:40:28,075 --> 00:40:31,126
the, the two security people
were out front,
689
00:40:31,161 --> 00:40:32,744
and they have to talk to me.
690
00:40:32,746 --> 00:40:34,079
We're sorry.
You'll have to come with us.
691
00:40:34,131 --> 00:40:35,881
Blah blah blah.
692
00:40:35,916 --> 00:40:38,834
Idiotically, I went with them.
693
00:40:38,886 --> 00:40:41,136
Um, and I was arrested.
694
00:40:43,924 --> 00:40:46,892
Durst was wanted
for murder in Galveston, Texas,
695
00:40:46,927 --> 00:40:49,761
and he's a suspect for
murders in Los Angeles
696
00:40:49,813 --> 00:40:51,563
and Westchester County,
New York.
697
00:40:54,651 --> 00:40:55,851
What about Susan Berman?
698
00:40:55,903 --> 00:40:57,623
Did you have anything
to do with her murder?
699
00:41:03,026 --> 00:41:04,776
Why were you bald?
700
00:41:04,828 --> 00:41:07,779
- I was on the lam.
- I was trying to disguise myself,
701
00:41:07,831 --> 00:41:09,414
and that worked real good.
702
00:41:11,368 --> 00:41:13,752
Did you shave your eyebrows?
703
00:41:13,787 --> 00:41:16,371
- Everything.
- Why?
704
00:41:16,423 --> 00:41:18,590
It looks more like a...
Less like me.
705
00:41:18,625 --> 00:41:20,792
You, you look like a...
You look weird
706
00:41:20,844 --> 00:41:24,463
with your eyebrows shaved
in addition to your head.
707
00:41:24,515 --> 00:41:26,348
And that was intentional?
708
00:41:26,383 --> 00:41:29,957
Yeah! How do you accidentally
shave your eyebrows?