1 00:00:39,541 --> 00:00:41,333 - Look at her smile, see, like 2 00:00:41,334 --> 00:00:44,712 her dimples stick out. - The Lord is my shepherd. 3 00:00:44,713 --> 00:00:45,546 - Know what I mean? 4 00:00:45,547 --> 00:00:48,590 - I shall not want. 5 00:00:48,591 --> 00:00:51,803 He makes me lie down in green pastures. 6 00:00:53,263 --> 00:00:55,890 He leads me beside still waters. 7 00:00:57,308 --> 00:00:58,935 He restores my soul. 8 00:01:00,437 --> 00:01:04,566 He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's... 9 00:01:14,492 --> 00:01:16,744 - The story of Cheryl Dempsey and what she became 10 00:01:16,745 --> 00:01:19,705 is truly one of the strangest, most disturbing things 11 00:01:19,706 --> 00:01:23,793 I've ever come across in the history of serial murder. 12 00:01:25,170 --> 00:01:29,007 I've been doing this for close to 25 years now. 13 00:03:01,432 --> 00:03:03,642 - I had a tenant in this house here 14 00:03:03,643 --> 00:03:06,187 who was a very terrible person. 15 00:03:07,188 --> 00:03:10,190 This is the house where they found the Poughkeepsie tapes. 16 00:03:10,191 --> 00:03:12,192 - Before we got our hands on the Poughkeepsie tapes, 17 00:03:12,193 --> 00:03:13,902 we thought... 18 00:03:13,903 --> 00:03:15,320 Well, we knew there had been some killings 19 00:03:15,321 --> 00:03:17,197 and we were aware that some of them appeared 20 00:03:17,198 --> 00:03:19,199 as though they were being carried out 21 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,742 in an organized fashion, 22 00:03:20,743 --> 00:03:23,620 but until we got our hands on those tapes, 23 00:03:23,621 --> 00:03:27,000 we had no idea what we were dealing with. 24 00:03:28,793 --> 00:03:29,877 No idea. 25 00:03:29,878 --> 00:03:33,088 - It was my job to watch and log all 2,400 hours 26 00:03:33,089 --> 00:03:34,715 of the Poughkeepsie tapes. 27 00:03:34,716 --> 00:03:35,799 In the first month alone, 28 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,344 I couldn't sleep for more than an hour or two at night. 29 00:03:39,345 --> 00:03:41,054 I still have nightmares about them. 30 00:03:41,055 --> 00:03:45,100 - I think torturing and murdering turn him on. 31 00:03:45,101 --> 00:03:47,644 And I think these tapes are something 32 00:03:47,645 --> 00:03:50,898 of a homemade porn film or a memento 33 00:03:50,899 --> 00:03:53,692 that he can savor long after the murder. 34 00:03:53,693 --> 00:03:55,027 He has definitely stalled 35 00:03:55,028 --> 00:03:58,907 halfway through many a killing to switch tapes. 36 00:04:00,450 --> 00:04:02,159 - I remember one night, 37 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,119 I brought some of the tapes home with me 38 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,998 to keep working, and unbeknownst to me, 39 00:04:07,999 --> 00:04:11,543 my wife watched about half an hour of one of the tapes 40 00:04:11,544 --> 00:04:15,673 and it took her a year before she let me touch her again. 41 00:04:18,343 --> 00:04:20,720 That's what's on those tapes. 42 00:04:21,679 --> 00:04:24,306 - They found the tapes in this closet. 43 00:04:26,309 --> 00:04:28,228 And down here, you know. 44 00:04:30,521 --> 00:04:34,358 - When we searched the yard we found the bodies of two women 45 00:04:34,359 --> 00:04:35,735 there, and there. 46 00:04:36,611 --> 00:04:39,071 We found a deep hole here where there was buried 47 00:04:39,072 --> 00:04:41,823 a young couple and their 10-month-old baby. 48 00:04:41,824 --> 00:04:43,992 There was a body of a man there, 49 00:04:43,993 --> 00:04:48,122 and four more women there, there, there, and there. 50 00:04:50,875 --> 00:04:53,335 And it was obvious that they'd all 51 00:04:53,336 --> 00:04:56,004 been killed in a horrific manner. 52 00:04:59,801 --> 00:05:02,886 - Beside me here is one complete set of the tapes. 53 00:05:02,887 --> 00:05:06,683 And just to give you a sense, from about here, 54 00:05:16,276 --> 00:05:20,195 to here, are all about Cheryl Dempsey. 55 00:05:20,196 --> 00:05:21,613 - When people think of serial killers 56 00:05:21,614 --> 00:05:23,448 they think of four or five people. 57 00:05:23,449 --> 00:05:27,161 You know, Ted Bundy, Dahmer, Gacy, et cetera. 58 00:05:28,496 --> 00:05:30,414 But what most people don't realize 59 00:05:30,415 --> 00:05:32,625 is how many more there are. 60 00:05:33,876 --> 00:05:36,295 At any given time, there are somewhere between 61 00:05:36,296 --> 00:05:40,341 25 and 50 active serial killers in America alone. 62 00:05:42,010 --> 00:05:46,139 It is really a much bigger problem than most people realize. 63 00:05:47,056 --> 00:05:50,350 - There are probably hours and hours of these tapes 64 00:05:50,351 --> 00:05:52,644 that nobody's watched except me. 65 00:05:52,645 --> 00:05:56,273 Like, for example, there's over 100 hours 66 00:05:56,274 --> 00:05:59,402 of weird balloon stuff on these tapes. 67 00:06:05,825 --> 00:06:07,659 - Like this? 68 00:06:07,660 --> 00:06:08,536 - Yes. 69 00:06:23,468 --> 00:06:24,718 - Like this? 70 00:06:24,719 --> 00:06:25,595 - Yes. 71 00:06:29,974 --> 00:06:31,224 Now pop it. 72 00:06:31,225 --> 00:06:32,768 - What? 73 00:06:32,769 --> 00:06:33,895 - Pop it! 74 00:06:46,407 --> 00:06:47,866 - If I've learned one thing 75 00:06:47,867 --> 00:06:50,952 from teaching this class, it's this. 76 00:06:50,953 --> 00:06:54,081 After what we're gonna see here today, 77 00:06:54,082 --> 00:06:56,792 three of you will go home tonight 78 00:06:56,793 --> 00:07:01,380 and decide that this is not what you want with your life. 79 00:07:01,381 --> 00:07:04,466 You know, there are some terrible people in this world 80 00:07:04,467 --> 00:07:07,428 who do unbelievably terrible things. 81 00:07:09,430 --> 00:07:13,642 So it's important that each of you ask yourself, 82 00:07:13,643 --> 00:07:17,979 do I really wanna surround myself with these terrible things 83 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:21,025 for the rest of my professional life? 84 00:07:23,903 --> 00:07:26,029 And it's okay if you don't. 85 00:07:26,030 --> 00:07:29,574 - I would guess something happened in his life at that time. 86 00:07:29,575 --> 00:07:33,954 He got in a fight, lost a job, got left by his wife, 87 00:07:33,955 --> 00:07:37,582 something like that, and went out in his car 88 00:07:37,583 --> 00:07:40,252 and at some point said, 89 00:07:40,253 --> 00:07:43,631 the next vulnerable person I see is dead. 90 00:08:50,156 --> 00:08:50,948 - Hi. 91 00:08:55,536 --> 00:08:56,996 I like your dolls. 92 00:09:00,082 --> 00:09:02,210 I said, I like your dolls. 93 00:09:03,169 --> 00:09:04,503 What's that one's name? 94 00:09:04,504 --> 00:09:05,545 - Susie. 95 00:09:05,546 --> 00:09:08,674 I'm not supposed to talk to strangers. 96 00:09:10,218 --> 00:09:11,468 - Well, you're not supposed 97 00:09:11,469 --> 00:09:13,679 to have bad manners either. 98 00:09:15,681 --> 00:09:18,517 You know, if I was the Big Bad Wolf 99 00:09:18,518 --> 00:09:21,479 there's nothing you can do about it. 100 00:09:24,315 --> 00:09:26,816 You wanna say something to the camera? 101 00:09:26,817 --> 00:09:27,777 - Like what? 102 00:09:28,653 --> 00:09:29,486 - I don't know. 103 00:09:29,487 --> 00:09:31,614 Maybe you could say, I am, 104 00:09:33,658 --> 00:09:36,327 I am a happy, pretty little girl. 105 00:09:37,787 --> 00:09:38,579 - No. 106 00:09:40,915 --> 00:09:43,917 - You wanna see what it looks like through the camera? 107 00:09:43,918 --> 00:09:44,710 - No. 108 00:09:45,670 --> 00:09:46,629 - Here. 109 00:10:34,135 --> 00:10:36,052 - On first inspection, it looked like 110 00:10:36,053 --> 00:10:39,889 she had been hit in the head with a blunt object. 111 00:10:39,890 --> 00:10:42,809 We found there was a missing girl, Jennifer Gorman, 112 00:10:42,810 --> 00:10:46,563 eight years old, from Putnam County, about 50 miles away, 113 00:10:46,564 --> 00:10:50,734 fitting the description, last seen in similar clothes. 114 00:11:01,287 --> 00:11:02,120 - I think something bad 115 00:11:02,121 --> 00:11:03,163 has happened to my daughter. 116 00:11:03,164 --> 00:11:04,205 I think somebody took her. 117 00:11:04,206 --> 00:11:05,624 - Like who? - I don't know who! 118 00:11:05,625 --> 00:11:06,458 Out of the yard! 119 00:11:06,459 --> 00:11:08,335 There's blood out there, please, do something. 120 00:11:08,336 --> 00:11:09,419 Do something, do something! 121 00:11:09,420 --> 00:11:10,253 Somebody took her! - If it's a missing person 122 00:11:10,254 --> 00:11:11,546 we have to wait 24 hours. - No! 123 00:11:11,547 --> 00:11:13,757 There is blood, there is blood out there. 124 00:11:13,758 --> 00:11:15,467 Send the police now! 125 00:11:22,475 --> 00:11:24,809 - Obviously, you don't ever get over something like this. 126 00:11:24,810 --> 00:11:28,022 You think the pain will subside, and... 127 00:11:32,985 --> 00:11:34,195 And get better. 128 00:11:36,822 --> 00:11:38,281 But it doesn't. 129 00:11:38,282 --> 00:11:39,325 - Not at all. 130 00:11:40,576 --> 00:11:44,579 What kind of a sick bastard rapes a little girl. 131 00:11:44,580 --> 00:11:46,373 She was just a child. 132 00:11:46,374 --> 00:11:48,625 She was barely eight. 133 00:11:48,626 --> 00:11:49,668 I'm so sorry. 134 00:11:58,052 --> 00:12:00,136 - This is nothing. 135 00:12:00,137 --> 00:12:02,889 He doesn't even know what he's doing yet. 136 00:12:11,107 --> 00:12:12,107 - Hey, having a little car problem? 137 00:12:12,108 --> 00:12:13,817 - Yeah, this old thing 138 00:12:13,818 --> 00:12:16,528 isn't even worth driving some days. 139 00:12:16,529 --> 00:12:18,655 Could I get a lift into the next town? 140 00:12:18,656 --> 00:12:19,489 - Yeah, no problem. 141 00:12:19,490 --> 00:12:20,282 Hop in. 142 00:12:29,959 --> 00:12:31,418 - Do you mind if I film this? 143 00:12:31,419 --> 00:12:35,255 I'm making a little movie about my trip. 144 00:12:35,256 --> 00:12:37,173 - Knock yourself out. 145 00:12:37,174 --> 00:12:40,219 Look Hon, we're gonna be movie stars. 146 00:12:43,472 --> 00:12:45,140 - So what's your name? 147 00:12:45,141 --> 00:12:45,933 - Ed. 148 00:12:46,892 --> 00:12:48,852 - Ed, I'm Frank, this is Jeanette. 149 00:12:48,853 --> 00:12:49,645 - Hi. 150 00:12:55,317 --> 00:12:57,610 - If you take this exit up here, 151 00:12:57,611 --> 00:13:00,447 you can drop me off at the little gas station. 152 00:13:00,448 --> 00:13:01,657 - Okay. 153 00:13:13,210 --> 00:13:14,878 - It's to the right here, 154 00:13:14,879 --> 00:13:17,297 just a couple miles off the freeway. 155 00:13:17,298 --> 00:13:19,758 - All right. 156 00:13:19,759 --> 00:13:21,801 - You from around here? 157 00:13:21,802 --> 00:13:23,262 - Not really. 158 00:13:25,431 --> 00:13:27,141 - Where are you from? 159 00:13:28,476 --> 00:13:32,605 - I think the gas station's right around the bend. 160 00:13:57,046 --> 00:13:59,464 - Oh my god! 161 00:13:59,465 --> 00:14:00,632 Oh my god! 162 00:14:23,697 --> 00:14:26,241 - A Poughkeepsie couple vanished over the weekend, 163 00:14:26,242 --> 00:14:28,117 seemingly without a trace. 164 00:14:28,118 --> 00:14:29,619 Family members say they haven't heard 165 00:14:29,620 --> 00:14:31,162 from Frank or Jeanette Anderson 166 00:14:31,163 --> 00:14:33,331 since they left Pittsburgh last Friday. 167 00:14:33,332 --> 00:14:34,958 Authorities still have no leads 168 00:14:34,959 --> 00:14:36,584 as to the couple's whereabouts. 169 00:14:36,585 --> 00:14:40,755 - This homicide announces a completely new kind of killer. 170 00:14:40,756 --> 00:14:43,216 There is almost nothing left of the impulsiveness 171 00:14:43,217 --> 00:14:46,177 that he displayed with Jennifer Gorman. 172 00:14:46,178 --> 00:14:50,890 Here is a man who's figured out he's good at something. 173 00:14:50,891 --> 00:14:53,476 - Imagine what it would take to do this. 174 00:14:53,477 --> 00:14:56,020 From the seat behind her he takes a rag 175 00:14:56,021 --> 00:14:58,690 with some sort of chemical agent with his right hand, 176 00:14:58,691 --> 00:15:01,484 and he places it over her mouth. 177 00:15:01,485 --> 00:15:03,236 And with his left hand holding the camera 178 00:15:03,237 --> 00:15:05,405 he's reaching it out and holding it 179 00:15:05,406 --> 00:15:08,449 in front of her face like this. 180 00:15:08,450 --> 00:15:11,870 This isn't the kind of thing that just happens. 181 00:15:11,871 --> 00:15:15,164 He must've practiced this motion thoroughly to get it right. 182 00:15:15,165 --> 00:15:18,001 - I mean, his car's parked alongside the road. 183 00:15:18,002 --> 00:15:20,879 He knows where the next gas station is, 184 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,756 he knows it's only a mile or two off the freeway, 185 00:15:23,757 --> 00:15:26,092 and he knows that it's a desolate area 186 00:15:26,093 --> 00:15:29,178 between the freeway and the gas station. 187 00:15:29,179 --> 00:15:32,057 In fact, this station is abandoned, 188 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:36,144 and I bet he knows that too. 189 00:15:36,145 --> 00:15:39,940 And he had a ready made excuse for the camera. 190 00:15:41,233 --> 00:15:44,777 - This man is what we call a mixed killer. 191 00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:48,573 He plots and hides his crimes in an organized manner, 192 00:15:48,574 --> 00:15:52,703 but he mutilates and does, well, let's say similar things 193 00:15:53,787 --> 00:15:57,917 with the bodies that a disorganized killer would do. 194 00:16:04,673 --> 00:16:05,883 - Wake up. 195 00:16:07,176 --> 00:16:07,968 Wake up. 196 00:16:09,219 --> 00:16:10,596 Come on, wake up. 197 00:16:12,056 --> 00:16:15,934 Come on, wake up, I have a surprise for you. 198 00:16:15,935 --> 00:16:18,187 Wake up. 199 00:16:19,146 --> 00:16:22,024 Wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up. 200 00:16:23,275 --> 00:16:24,026 Wake up. 201 00:16:25,444 --> 00:16:26,236 Wake up. 202 00:16:27,488 --> 00:16:28,280 Wake up. 203 00:16:29,740 --> 00:16:30,532 Wake up. 204 00:16:34,536 --> 00:16:36,496 You're gonna love this. 205 00:16:58,978 --> 00:17:00,187 - Yeah, I know. 206 00:17:02,773 --> 00:17:04,649 - Today the search for a missing Poughkeepsie couple 207 00:17:04,650 --> 00:17:07,485 ends tragically, this when human remains are found 208 00:17:07,486 --> 00:17:10,446 buried in a wooded area of rural Pennsylvania. 209 00:17:10,447 --> 00:17:11,823 - They brought a woman's body in 210 00:17:11,824 --> 00:17:14,200 that was very badly mutilated. 211 00:17:14,201 --> 00:17:16,703 The corpse had a head placed in its abdomen 212 00:17:16,704 --> 00:17:20,081 in a kind of strange, ceremonial fashion. 213 00:17:20,082 --> 00:17:22,083 I took one look at the skull, 214 00:17:22,084 --> 00:17:24,544 the upper edges of the eye orbits were smooth, 215 00:17:24,545 --> 00:17:26,379 and the cranial vault was rigid, 216 00:17:26,380 --> 00:17:28,715 and showed heavy muscular markings. 217 00:17:28,716 --> 00:17:31,843 I said, this is a man's head in a woman's body. 218 00:17:31,844 --> 00:17:34,262 This is two murders, not one. 219 00:17:34,263 --> 00:17:36,139 - After talking to their friends and families, 220 00:17:36,140 --> 00:17:38,599 we were able to ascertain that the Andersons 221 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,560 were coming back from Pittsburgh 222 00:17:40,561 --> 00:17:43,146 to Poughkeepsie where they lived. 223 00:17:43,147 --> 00:17:47,442 That distance winds up being about 350 miles or so. 224 00:17:47,443 --> 00:17:50,194 The nice thing about this route, 225 00:17:50,195 --> 00:17:52,280 is that there are really only a couple 226 00:17:52,281 --> 00:17:54,699 of logical ways to drive it. 227 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:57,076 Under the best conditions, that particular make of car 228 00:17:57,077 --> 00:17:59,495 can only go about 200 miles to the tank, 229 00:17:59,496 --> 00:18:01,039 more likely about 150. 230 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,250 So we went from that point on the freeway, 231 00:18:04,251 --> 00:18:06,544 200 miles in both directions, 232 00:18:06,545 --> 00:18:09,464 and we went to every gas station along the route 233 00:18:09,465 --> 00:18:11,841 and asked to see their surveillance tapes 234 00:18:11,842 --> 00:18:13,886 from that particular day. 235 00:18:15,012 --> 00:18:17,972 That took some doing, but we did manage to get 236 00:18:17,973 --> 00:18:22,102 our first video image of the killer in this manner. 237 00:18:34,406 --> 00:18:36,407 - What's he doing with his hand? 238 00:18:36,408 --> 00:18:38,284 - He's signing. 239 00:18:38,285 --> 00:18:39,744 - That's right. 240 00:18:39,745 --> 00:18:41,913 Anybody know what he's saying? 241 00:18:41,914 --> 00:18:42,873 - Red house. 242 00:18:44,124 --> 00:18:44,917 - Good. 243 00:18:46,418 --> 00:18:48,961 Right, we found the second body in the woods 244 00:18:48,962 --> 00:18:52,090 behind a place called the Red House Tavern 245 00:18:52,091 --> 00:18:54,342 about three miles away. 246 00:18:54,343 --> 00:18:57,512 But the thing to keep in mind is this. 247 00:18:57,513 --> 00:19:01,475 He signed this before he even met the Andersons. 248 00:19:03,602 --> 00:19:06,479 - Timeliness is of the essence in any investigation, 249 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,815 but especially a murder. 250 00:19:08,816 --> 00:19:10,441 If we find a fresh crime scene, 251 00:19:10,442 --> 00:19:13,611 there's just a lot more information to work with 252 00:19:13,612 --> 00:19:15,322 than say, a skeleton. 253 00:19:17,032 --> 00:19:20,243 Often, the serial killers who avoid detection and capture 254 00:19:20,244 --> 00:19:24,705 are the ones who are especially good at disposing of bodies. 255 00:19:24,706 --> 00:19:28,543 The killer documented on the Poughkeepsie tapes 256 00:19:28,544 --> 00:19:31,295 is very, very good at it. 257 00:19:31,296 --> 00:19:33,840 Not only does he know how to dispose of bodies, 258 00:19:33,841 --> 00:19:38,010 he knows how to dispose of bodies in many different ways. 259 00:19:38,011 --> 00:19:40,805 - Elizabeth Jackson was abducted in Hanson County, 260 00:19:40,806 --> 00:19:43,141 which is about 100 miles from the location 261 00:19:43,142 --> 00:19:45,476 we later found the tapes in. 262 00:19:45,477 --> 00:19:47,186 The killer then took a circular saw, 263 00:19:47,187 --> 00:19:49,647 cut off her head and hands. 264 00:19:49,648 --> 00:19:53,025 He then dumped her torso in Putnam County, 265 00:19:53,026 --> 00:19:55,361 and her head and hands in Broome County. 266 00:19:55,362 --> 00:19:57,321 When someone's disposed of like this, 267 00:19:57,322 --> 00:19:59,949 it's almost impossible to put it all together 268 00:19:59,950 --> 00:20:03,536 because even if the various counties did talk, 269 00:20:03,537 --> 00:20:06,289 and they don't, but even if they did, 270 00:20:06,290 --> 00:20:10,377 there may be a five year gap between finding the head 271 00:20:11,879 --> 00:20:14,463 and the torso of a body like this. 272 00:20:14,464 --> 00:20:16,675 I see this and I say, okay, 273 00:20:17,843 --> 00:20:20,511 here's a killer who understands bureaucracy. 274 00:20:26,393 --> 00:20:28,019 - Usually a killer won't think through 275 00:20:28,020 --> 00:20:29,896 their first dismembering, 276 00:20:29,897 --> 00:20:31,480 and they have a dead body in the house 277 00:20:31,481 --> 00:20:33,107 and they need to take it apart. 278 00:20:33,108 --> 00:20:35,151 So they go out to the garage and get a saw 279 00:20:35,152 --> 00:20:38,946 and take some hours to get the head off. 280 00:20:38,947 --> 00:20:41,741 So the next time, they'll go and get a better saw 281 00:20:41,742 --> 00:20:44,619 before they kill someone, and that makes it a little better, 282 00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:48,415 but if they really wanna get into the killing, 283 00:20:51,126 --> 00:20:54,087 they'll often go and get a real saw. 284 00:20:55,339 --> 00:20:58,884 Something that cuts through quick and easy. 285 00:21:00,469 --> 00:21:03,638 And at that point, they'll never go back to a handsaw. 286 00:21:03,639 --> 00:21:07,099 Except this guy, he did it repeatedly. 287 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:10,603 Sometimes he uses a circular saw, sometimes a handsaw. 288 00:21:10,604 --> 00:21:11,812 It's part of the reason that we never 289 00:21:11,813 --> 00:21:14,274 grouped his killings together. 290 00:21:15,192 --> 00:21:17,818 It's probably why he did it. 291 00:21:17,819 --> 00:21:20,446 - But after all that effort to mask his killings, 292 00:21:20,447 --> 00:21:24,784 He shows us each and every disassembly in his tapes. 293 00:21:24,785 --> 00:21:27,328 I guess he just wanted someone to appreciate 294 00:21:27,329 --> 00:21:30,331 how good he is at this, and the thought that maybe 295 00:21:30,332 --> 00:21:33,961 we'd be strangely sort of impressed with it. 296 00:21:35,128 --> 00:21:36,462 - Are you? 297 00:21:36,463 --> 00:21:37,630 - No. 298 00:21:37,631 --> 00:21:39,882 After seeing what he did to Cheryl Dempsey, 299 00:21:39,883 --> 00:21:43,511 I could feel nothing but loathing for this guy. 300 00:22:18,297 --> 00:22:20,548 - It was so sweet. 301 00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:22,967 - Should've gone with you. 302 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:24,593 - Cow's gone on her trip. 303 00:22:24,594 --> 00:22:27,430 My mom was being such a bitch. 304 00:22:27,431 --> 00:22:28,556 - How long are they gone for? 305 00:22:28,557 --> 00:22:30,308 - Like a week. 306 00:22:30,309 --> 00:22:31,976 - Like Wednesday, right? 307 00:22:31,977 --> 00:22:33,270 - Yeah. 308 00:22:38,025 --> 00:22:38,900 - No. 309 00:22:40,068 --> 00:22:41,068 - Tim? 310 00:22:41,069 --> 00:22:42,403 - Yeah? 311 00:22:42,404 --> 00:22:46,198 - Do you ever get a feeling? 312 00:22:46,199 --> 00:22:47,366 - What do you mean? 313 00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:51,871 - Like feeling like something's going to happen? 314 00:22:51,872 --> 00:22:53,664 - Sometimes, why? 315 00:22:53,665 --> 00:22:54,665 - It's weird. 316 00:22:54,666 --> 00:22:56,834 Everything's been so good lately. 317 00:22:56,835 --> 00:22:59,920 Everybody seems to be happy, and everything's just like, 318 00:22:59,921 --> 00:23:01,797 too good, you know? 319 00:25:40,999 --> 00:25:42,375 - Hello? 320 00:25:43,335 --> 00:25:44,294 Is that you? 321 00:25:45,879 --> 00:25:46,671 Tim? 322 00:26:01,770 --> 00:26:02,645 - Hello? 323 00:26:02,646 --> 00:26:03,521 - Hello? 324 00:26:03,522 --> 00:26:04,647 Is that you? 325 00:26:04,648 --> 00:26:06,565 - Hey, you mind if I grab something to eat? 326 00:26:06,566 --> 00:26:07,566 - Yeah, go ahead. 327 00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:08,943 Can you grab some ice cream while you're down there? 328 00:26:08,944 --> 00:26:09,986 - Sure. 329 00:26:11,905 --> 00:26:14,866 - Will you grab me a towel? 330 00:26:15,784 --> 00:26:18,369 I know you're still there. 331 00:26:18,370 --> 00:26:20,914 Come on, you're not scaring me. 332 00:26:28,338 --> 00:26:30,172 - Hey, what kind of ice cream did you want? 333 00:26:30,173 --> 00:26:31,757 - Whatever, chocolate? 334 00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:32,801 - Done. 335 00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:21,849 - You scared me. 336 00:27:21,850 --> 00:27:23,475 You shouldn't jump out at somebody like that. 337 00:27:23,476 --> 00:27:24,768 - Sorry. 338 00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:27,563 I brought you ice cream, and beer. 339 00:27:27,564 --> 00:27:28,356 - Thanks. 340 00:27:29,357 --> 00:27:31,692 Why did you move my clothes? 341 00:27:31,693 --> 00:27:33,069 - I didn't. 342 00:27:34,029 --> 00:27:36,573 - They were all over the place. 343 00:27:41,202 --> 00:27:42,328 - Come here. 344 00:27:42,329 --> 00:27:43,579 - Why? 345 00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:44,455 - You'll see. 346 00:27:46,833 --> 00:27:48,667 - Let's just go watch a movie. 347 00:27:48,668 --> 00:27:50,336 - Like what? 348 00:27:50,337 --> 00:27:52,714 - I rented a couple. 349 00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:57,593 - You wanna stay here for awhile? 350 00:27:57,594 --> 00:27:59,762 - Maybe for a little while. 351 00:29:24,639 --> 00:29:25,889 - Hey. 352 00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:28,267 We're starting to fall asleep. 353 00:29:28,268 --> 00:29:30,394 You wanna go to bed? 354 00:29:30,395 --> 00:29:31,979 - Yeah, yeah okay. 355 00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:33,272 - You're staying over tonight, right? 356 00:29:33,273 --> 00:29:34,565 - Yeah. 357 00:29:34,566 --> 00:29:35,524 - Cool. 358 00:29:35,525 --> 00:29:38,110 I get a little scared here by myself. 359 00:29:38,111 --> 00:29:40,112 - I think I might too. 360 00:29:40,113 --> 00:29:41,780 - Do you mind putting this stuff in the sink? 361 00:29:41,781 --> 00:29:43,532 I just wanna pee and brush my teeth. 362 00:29:43,533 --> 00:29:44,742 - No, it's fine. 363 00:29:44,743 --> 00:29:46,453 - Thank you. 364 00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:09,743 - This weekend ends in tragedy for one family. 365 00:31:09,744 --> 00:31:12,120 Victoria and James Dempsey returned home 366 00:31:12,121 --> 00:31:13,956 after leaving their 19-year-old daughter, 367 00:31:13,957 --> 00:31:16,625 Cheryl Dempsey, home alone for the weekend. 368 00:31:16,626 --> 00:31:19,002 Now when they returned they found Cheryl missing, 369 00:31:19,003 --> 00:31:23,382 and her boyfriend, Tim Surrey, brutally murdered. 370 00:31:23,383 --> 00:31:27,928 - I remember maybe three days before Cheryl's abduction 371 00:31:27,929 --> 00:31:32,391 she asked me, do you ever feel like someone's watching you? 372 00:31:32,392 --> 00:31:34,184 I said not really. 373 00:31:34,185 --> 00:31:36,186 And she told me, sometimes I feel like 374 00:31:36,187 --> 00:31:39,481 maybe someone's following me around. 375 00:31:39,482 --> 00:31:41,650 I said, you know, you're probably just being paranoid. 376 00:31:41,651 --> 00:31:43,736 And she said, yeah, maybe. 377 00:31:44,654 --> 00:31:47,573 You know, hindsight's 20/20. 378 00:31:51,411 --> 00:31:53,495 - What's happening? 379 00:31:53,496 --> 00:31:54,372 Where am I? 380 00:31:58,918 --> 00:32:00,377 Stay away from me! 381 00:32:00,378 --> 00:32:01,170 Stay away! 382 00:32:02,171 --> 00:32:04,923 Why are you doing this to me? 383 00:32:09,053 --> 00:32:12,180 Please don't hurt me. 384 00:32:12,181 --> 00:32:14,266 I'll do whatever you want. 385 00:32:14,267 --> 00:32:15,475 - I know you will. 386 00:32:16,352 --> 00:32:17,145 Shut up! 387 00:32:21,316 --> 00:32:23,275 What is your name? 388 00:32:23,276 --> 00:32:24,443 - Cheryl Dempsey. 389 00:32:24,444 --> 00:32:25,236 - Wrong! 390 00:32:28,364 --> 00:32:29,908 Your name is slave. 391 00:32:34,412 --> 00:32:35,872 What is your name? 392 00:32:37,123 --> 00:32:38,290 - Cheryl. 393 00:32:41,711 --> 00:32:43,421 - Your name is slave! 394 00:32:47,050 --> 00:32:48,300 What is your name? 395 00:32:48,301 --> 00:32:49,384 - My name is slave! 396 00:32:49,385 --> 00:32:50,510 - What is your name? 397 00:32:50,511 --> 00:32:52,012 - Slave! 398 00:32:52,013 --> 00:32:53,639 - What is your name? 399 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,432 - Slave! 400 00:33:00,355 --> 00:33:01,438 - Good. 401 00:33:15,745 --> 00:33:19,164 - Because of the gruesome condition of Tim's body, 402 00:33:19,165 --> 00:33:21,541 we had very little hope of finding Cheryl alive. 403 00:33:21,542 --> 00:33:24,670 His head had been crushed in, kind of like this. 404 00:33:24,671 --> 00:33:29,633 And he had been cut from his anus up to his throat, 405 00:33:29,634 --> 00:33:32,386 and his intestines had been pulled out 406 00:33:32,387 --> 00:33:36,014 and strewn around like they were Christmas tree lights. 407 00:33:36,015 --> 00:33:39,184 And his genitals had been removed and they were placed 408 00:33:39,185 --> 00:33:42,896 in the sock drawer in the master bedroom. 409 00:33:42,897 --> 00:33:44,314 Our basic thinking was that the killer 410 00:33:44,315 --> 00:33:47,734 had lost all control of his faculties, 411 00:33:47,735 --> 00:33:50,821 and again, judging from the condition of the body, 412 00:33:50,822 --> 00:33:54,324 that he had probably killed her here, 413 00:33:54,325 --> 00:33:58,286 and then probably dumped her body in the woods. 414 00:33:58,287 --> 00:33:59,788 - We took one look at the scene and wrote it off 415 00:33:59,789 --> 00:34:02,332 as the work of a disorganized killer. 416 00:34:02,333 --> 00:34:04,543 The truth we later learned from the Poughkeepsie tapes 417 00:34:04,544 --> 00:34:06,962 was that this killer had carefully crafted 418 00:34:06,963 --> 00:34:09,006 the murder site to mislead us. 419 00:34:09,007 --> 00:34:10,133 And it worked. 420 00:34:11,801 --> 00:34:14,678 Funny thing is, to be able to murder and mutilate a body 421 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:19,057 in such a way and to maintain composure while doing so, 422 00:34:19,058 --> 00:34:22,185 coupled with his bizarre sense of theatricality, 423 00:34:22,186 --> 00:34:26,314 you know, the masks and costumes and whatnot, 424 00:34:26,315 --> 00:34:30,110 shows that this man is extremely mentally ill. 425 00:34:30,111 --> 00:34:32,070 - Comedia del arte is a form of theater 426 00:34:32,071 --> 00:34:34,823 that dates back to 16th century Italy. 427 00:34:34,824 --> 00:34:36,616 They actually had to pass a law prohibiting 428 00:34:36,617 --> 00:34:39,327 carrying weapons while wearing a mask, 429 00:34:39,328 --> 00:34:42,164 because people stopped being responsible for their actions 430 00:34:42,165 --> 00:34:43,623 the moment they put one on. 431 00:34:43,624 --> 00:34:45,834 - I think the costumes serve two functions. 432 00:34:45,835 --> 00:34:49,379 First, they let him draw out the act of killing. 433 00:34:49,380 --> 00:34:52,632 And second, they help him to alleviate any sense of guilt 434 00:34:52,633 --> 00:34:55,927 or regret he may have for the horrible things he's doing. 435 00:34:55,928 --> 00:34:58,472 - This character went out of fashion hundreds of years ago. 436 00:34:58,473 --> 00:35:02,017 It's the character Dottore Peste. 437 00:35:02,018 --> 00:35:04,062 The Doctor of the Plague. 438 00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:14,197 - Why are you crying? 439 00:35:15,740 --> 00:35:17,617 - 'Cause I want my mom. 440 00:35:18,659 --> 00:35:20,452 I want my mom. 441 00:35:20,453 --> 00:35:23,330 - Didn't I tell you? 442 00:35:23,331 --> 00:35:24,164 - What? 443 00:35:24,165 --> 00:35:26,792 - I killed your mom. 444 00:35:26,793 --> 00:35:29,003 I killed your whole family. 445 00:35:30,379 --> 00:35:32,130 I'm all you have left. 446 00:35:32,131 --> 00:35:33,758 - No, no you didn't. 447 00:35:34,884 --> 00:35:36,427 - You tell me! 448 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,640 Tell me you're happy I killed your family. 449 00:35:41,641 --> 00:35:42,767 - No! 450 00:35:45,311 --> 00:35:46,270 - What? 451 00:35:47,188 --> 00:35:48,314 - No. 452 00:35:49,398 --> 00:35:51,901 No! 453 00:36:04,455 --> 00:36:05,248 - Say it! 454 00:36:09,335 --> 00:36:10,210 Say it! 455 00:36:10,211 --> 00:36:11,044 - What? 456 00:36:11,045 --> 00:36:12,129 What? 457 00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:15,174 - You're happy I killed your parents! 458 00:36:22,682 --> 00:36:23,474 Say it! 459 00:36:26,769 --> 00:36:27,562 What? 460 00:36:28,771 --> 00:36:30,355 - I'm happy you killed my parents. 461 00:36:30,356 --> 00:36:32,357 - Say it again. 462 00:36:32,358 --> 00:36:34,401 - I'm happy you killed my parents. 463 00:36:34,402 --> 00:36:37,112 - You don't have parents. 464 00:36:37,113 --> 00:36:38,446 You're a slave. 465 00:36:41,367 --> 00:36:42,493 - I'll say it. 466 00:36:43,494 --> 00:36:44,704 - Those people. 467 00:36:46,706 --> 00:36:49,332 - I'm happy that you killed them. 468 00:36:49,333 --> 00:36:50,126 - Why? 469 00:36:51,878 --> 00:36:52,919 - Why? 470 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,920 - Why! 471 00:36:56,048 --> 00:36:58,342 - Because I don't like them! 472 00:37:10,062 --> 00:37:12,606 - Who do you like? 473 00:37:12,607 --> 00:37:13,816 - You. 474 00:37:14,859 --> 00:37:15,735 - Who? 475 00:37:16,736 --> 00:37:18,362 - Only you. 476 00:37:22,325 --> 00:37:23,201 - Why? 477 00:37:24,827 --> 00:37:26,912 - Because you're the master, 478 00:37:26,913 --> 00:37:29,373 and it please me to serve you. 479 00:37:33,211 --> 00:37:35,212 - Did you want me to kill those people. 480 00:37:35,213 --> 00:37:36,838 - Yes. 481 00:37:36,839 --> 00:37:37,797 I don't know. 482 00:37:37,798 --> 00:37:38,632 Yes! 483 00:37:38,633 --> 00:37:39,466 I don't know! 484 00:37:39,467 --> 00:37:40,300 Yes! 485 00:37:40,301 --> 00:37:42,302 - That's why I did it. 486 00:37:42,303 --> 00:37:44,221 I did it because of you. 487 00:37:44,222 --> 00:37:46,264 - Thank you Master! 488 00:37:46,265 --> 00:37:47,058 Thank you! 489 00:37:48,309 --> 00:37:49,976 - Say it. 490 00:37:49,977 --> 00:37:51,603 - You're the master. 491 00:37:51,604 --> 00:38:05,659 You're the master and it pleases me to serve you. 492 00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:07,077 You're the master... 493 00:38:09,914 --> 00:38:12,207 - People have come from as far away as Lancaster County 494 00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:15,627 to search the wooded area around the Dempsey residence. 495 00:38:15,628 --> 00:38:17,712 This in hopes of finding any clues 496 00:38:17,713 --> 00:38:19,839 in the disappearance of their daughter Cheryl. 497 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,678 - I'd just like to say to the person who's done this, 498 00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,515 please bring my daughter back home. 499 00:38:39,652 --> 00:38:43,780 - If there's anything I can do to help, 500 00:38:43,781 --> 00:38:45,324 please let me know. 501 00:38:46,534 --> 00:38:47,326 - Thanks. 502 00:38:52,665 --> 00:38:53,457 Wait. 503 00:38:56,168 --> 00:38:56,961 Wait. 504 00:38:58,421 --> 00:38:59,254 Oh my god. 505 00:38:59,255 --> 00:39:02,633 Oh my god. 506 00:39:03,592 --> 00:39:07,722 - I play that moment in my head over and over again. 507 00:39:09,515 --> 00:39:11,766 I knew it was him, and I didn't stop him 508 00:39:11,767 --> 00:39:13,351 because I was scared. 509 00:39:27,116 --> 00:39:30,702 - Are you through screaming? 510 00:39:30,703 --> 00:39:32,163 Do you need water? 511 00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:55,519 If I take the gag off, will you do something for me? 512 00:40:12,036 --> 00:40:14,163 I want you to put this on. 513 00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:33,349 - You're the master and it pleases me to serve you. 514 00:40:34,642 --> 00:40:37,310 Pleases me to serve you. 515 00:40:37,311 --> 00:40:43,566 You're the master and it pleases me to serve you. 516 00:40:59,834 --> 00:41:02,460 - By the summer of '93, the area was really 517 00:41:02,461 --> 00:41:05,797 starting to feel the effects of this man's work. 518 00:41:05,798 --> 00:41:08,174 - Most killers getting this much media attention 519 00:41:08,175 --> 00:41:10,135 will do one of three things. 520 00:41:10,136 --> 00:41:12,137 One, they will realize it's not safe 521 00:41:12,138 --> 00:41:15,849 for a serial killer to work that town anymore and leave. 522 00:41:15,850 --> 00:41:18,017 Two, they will give it a rest for a little while 523 00:41:18,018 --> 00:41:20,145 and let it cool off. 524 00:41:20,146 --> 00:41:21,855 Or three, they'll just keep doing it, 525 00:41:21,856 --> 00:41:23,940 maybe even speed of the rate of their killings, 526 00:41:23,941 --> 00:41:25,817 until they get caught. 527 00:41:25,818 --> 00:41:29,487 But this killer did something quite unique, 528 00:41:29,488 --> 00:41:32,031 he kept killing, but changed his MO. 529 00:41:34,994 --> 00:41:36,744 - A third body was found here today. 530 00:41:36,745 --> 00:41:38,496 We're standing on the west bank 531 00:41:38,497 --> 00:41:40,290 of the Hudson River in Poughkeepsie, 532 00:41:40,291 --> 00:41:41,916 police believe this to be another killing 533 00:41:41,917 --> 00:41:44,794 by the man some are calling the Water Street Butcher. 534 00:41:44,795 --> 00:41:45,795 - Sixth killing believed to be the work 535 00:41:45,796 --> 00:41:47,505 of the Water Street Butcher. 536 00:41:47,506 --> 00:41:49,174 Police are warning local prostitutes 537 00:41:49,175 --> 00:41:51,135 to stay off the streets. 538 00:42:08,861 --> 00:42:10,403 - Wasn't me! 539 00:42:14,617 --> 00:42:17,035 - You're the master and it pleases me to serve you. 540 00:42:17,036 --> 00:42:22,040 You're the master and it pleases me to serve you. 541 00:42:22,041 --> 00:42:23,458 You're the master and it pleases-- 542 00:42:23,459 --> 00:42:25,001 - This ain't right. 543 00:42:25,002 --> 00:42:27,504 - You're the master and it pleases me to serve you. 544 00:42:27,505 --> 00:42:37,722 You're the master and it pleases me to serve you. 545 00:42:37,723 --> 00:42:38,890 - At around the same time we started 546 00:42:38,891 --> 00:42:42,602 getting word from the prostitutes that worked that area 547 00:42:42,603 --> 00:42:44,479 that girls are getting arrested 548 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,648 and never being heard from again. 549 00:42:46,649 --> 00:42:48,107 - You can't just arrest me! 550 00:42:48,108 --> 00:42:49,567 You can't arrest me! 551 00:42:54,156 --> 00:42:55,365 - Will you help me? 552 00:42:55,366 --> 00:42:56,699 - No. 553 00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:58,785 - Please, I, come on! 554 00:42:58,786 --> 00:43:01,704 - No, no, he won't like it. 555 00:43:01,705 --> 00:43:03,957 - If I'm with you, he can't stop you. 556 00:43:03,958 --> 00:43:04,791 - He won't like it. 557 00:43:05,626 --> 00:43:07,002 - No, no, no, no! 558 00:43:09,213 --> 00:43:10,005 No! 559 00:43:17,263 --> 00:43:18,806 No, no, no, please! 560 00:43:19,765 --> 00:43:20,640 Please no! 561 00:43:20,641 --> 00:43:21,433 No, no! 562 00:43:24,687 --> 00:43:25,979 Please no! 563 00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:27,356 Oh no, oh no, no! 564 00:43:32,778 --> 00:43:33,736 - Now you. 565 00:43:33,737 --> 00:43:35,154 - No, she was trying to escape-- 566 00:43:39,076 --> 00:43:40,118 No I didn't! 567 00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:40,911 I didn't! 568 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,212 - Okay. 569 00:43:51,213 --> 00:43:53,173 This is your punishment. 570 00:44:25,247 --> 00:44:28,041 - All of the victim's bodies had been mutilated. 571 00:44:28,042 --> 00:44:31,587 In part to cover up the bite marks on them. 572 00:44:33,172 --> 00:44:37,008 They all had been sliced from mouth to ear, 573 00:44:37,009 --> 00:44:40,219 and they had been raped postmortem. 574 00:44:40,220 --> 00:44:44,350 And we found matching sperm on four of the bodies. 575 00:44:45,809 --> 00:44:49,103 - Years ago, I was granted the dubious honor 576 00:44:49,104 --> 00:44:52,774 of interviewing Theodore Robert Bundy 577 00:44:52,775 --> 00:44:55,360 in connection with another case. 578 00:44:55,361 --> 00:44:59,490 But the insight that I gained there is relevant here. 579 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,160 I remember the first question he asked me was, did he-- 580 00:45:04,161 --> 00:45:05,037 - Rape her? 581 00:45:06,121 --> 00:45:08,581 - Ah, yes he did. 582 00:45:08,582 --> 00:45:10,042 - Before or after? 583 00:45:12,294 --> 00:45:14,504 - Before or after what? 584 00:45:14,505 --> 00:45:16,465 - You know, killing her. 585 00:45:18,592 --> 00:45:20,093 - After. 586 00:45:20,094 --> 00:45:24,223 - You see Mike, I think that's an important distinction. 587 00:45:25,224 --> 00:45:28,435 This might all sound a little weird but 588 00:45:29,728 --> 00:45:31,938 the kill and rape variety, 589 00:45:31,939 --> 00:45:34,774 these guys will continue to have sex with the body 590 00:45:34,775 --> 00:45:39,195 way past the point where we thought possible. 591 00:45:39,196 --> 00:45:43,616 Mild decomposition, even maggots and things, 592 00:45:43,617 --> 00:45:46,078 may just serve to turn him on. 593 00:45:47,329 --> 00:45:50,957 Next time you find a fresh dump site, 594 00:45:50,958 --> 00:45:52,792 keep quiet about it. 595 00:45:52,793 --> 00:45:53,836 Stake it out. 596 00:45:55,087 --> 00:45:57,046 Your guy'll come back to it. 597 00:45:57,047 --> 00:46:00,842 - Unfortunately, we have never found a fresh enough body. 598 00:46:00,843 --> 00:46:03,594 But there was evidence that he had 599 00:46:03,595 --> 00:46:07,725 in fact been returning to them, for sexual reasons. 600 00:46:29,538 --> 00:46:31,956 - Hi, we're selling cookies. 601 00:46:31,957 --> 00:46:33,791 Would you like to buy some? 602 00:46:33,792 --> 00:46:34,752 - Uh... 603 00:46:36,253 --> 00:46:37,837 Sure. 604 00:46:37,838 --> 00:46:40,090 Sure, why don't you come in. 605 00:46:41,925 --> 00:46:44,635 - Um, we're not really supposed to. 606 00:46:44,636 --> 00:46:46,721 - Well that's smart. 607 00:46:46,722 --> 00:46:49,307 You know, there's a lot of weirdos out there, 608 00:46:49,308 --> 00:46:52,102 but I'm a policeman, so it's okay. 609 00:46:53,854 --> 00:46:54,687 - Okay. 610 00:46:54,688 --> 00:46:55,938 - Okay. 611 00:46:55,939 --> 00:46:57,023 Come on in. 612 00:47:07,075 --> 00:47:08,701 Just sit right there. 613 00:47:08,702 --> 00:47:09,828 - Okay. 614 00:47:15,876 --> 00:47:17,168 - Okay. 615 00:47:17,169 --> 00:47:19,045 Hey, you girls want some Cokes? 616 00:47:19,046 --> 00:47:19,962 - Sure. 617 00:47:19,963 --> 00:47:21,214 - Yeah? - Okay. 618 00:47:21,215 --> 00:47:22,174 - Okay. 619 00:47:28,722 --> 00:47:29,681 - Thank you. 620 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,191 - Hey, did you ride your bikes here today? 621 00:47:40,192 --> 00:47:42,735 - No, I live over on Dupont. 622 00:47:42,736 --> 00:47:45,112 - Oh, so you live in the neighborhood? 623 00:47:45,113 --> 00:47:45,864 - Yeah. 624 00:47:47,324 --> 00:47:48,241 - I don't. 625 00:47:48,242 --> 00:47:50,952 I live over by Central. 626 00:47:50,953 --> 00:47:52,745 - Well, before you leave, 627 00:47:52,746 --> 00:47:55,874 do you tell your parents where you go? 628 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,084 - Sometimes. 629 00:47:58,085 --> 00:47:59,085 - Yeah. 630 00:47:59,086 --> 00:48:00,045 - Yeah. 631 00:48:05,092 --> 00:48:06,759 - What's that? 632 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:07,719 - What? 633 00:48:08,846 --> 00:48:10,555 - I thought I heard something. 634 00:48:10,556 --> 00:48:14,433 - Oh, well I left the TV on in the basement. 635 00:48:14,434 --> 00:48:15,893 - Oh. 636 00:48:18,856 --> 00:48:20,481 - You know, it sounds like I'm not 637 00:48:20,482 --> 00:48:23,651 going to be able to get cookies today. 638 00:48:23,652 --> 00:48:27,071 You know, I get a raccoon in the basement sometimes. 639 00:48:27,072 --> 00:48:30,241 - There's no raccoons around here. 640 00:48:30,242 --> 00:48:32,285 - Sure there are. 641 00:48:32,286 --> 00:48:37,081 Hey, do you wanna see the raccoon I got in the basement? 642 00:48:37,082 --> 00:48:37,875 - Sure. 643 00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:41,127 - He's awful mean. 644 00:48:41,128 --> 00:48:42,921 - I don't believe you. 645 00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:44,882 - I wanna go. 646 00:48:47,634 --> 00:48:50,678 - You know I'll have to get cookies some other day. 647 00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:53,390 Why don't you let yourselves out? 648 00:48:58,437 --> 00:49:00,230 - Mark him off. 649 00:49:15,913 --> 00:49:18,456 - Sounds like something got loose down there. 650 00:49:18,457 --> 00:49:20,541 - I'm sorry Master, I thought that it was tight. 651 00:49:20,542 --> 00:49:22,585 - You felt pity for it. 652 00:49:22,586 --> 00:49:23,878 You tried to let it go. 653 00:49:23,879 --> 00:49:25,212 - No, no Master. 654 00:49:25,213 --> 00:49:26,672 I would never betray you. 655 00:49:26,673 --> 00:49:28,716 - This is your fault. 656 00:49:28,717 --> 00:49:29,926 - No. 657 00:49:47,569 --> 00:49:49,654 - Suddenly, we had 10 bodies. 658 00:49:49,655 --> 00:49:54,158 Six of whom had matching samples of semen on them. 659 00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:55,868 Then we had a breakthrough. 660 00:49:55,869 --> 00:49:57,495 At one of the victim's apartments, 661 00:49:57,496 --> 00:50:01,165 we found an unwashed glass of water. 662 00:50:01,166 --> 00:50:04,878 It had a fingerprint and DNA from the saliva. 663 00:50:06,046 --> 00:50:08,965 - We ran the prints we found on the glass of water. 664 00:50:08,966 --> 00:50:11,801 It came back with a match. 665 00:50:11,802 --> 00:50:14,471 It matched my partner, Jim Foley. 666 00:50:15,555 --> 00:50:18,557 - They placed him under arrest and started building a case. 667 00:50:18,558 --> 00:50:20,768 He had been in town for all those killings, 668 00:50:20,769 --> 00:50:23,020 and there were three killings in Pennsylvania 669 00:50:23,021 --> 00:50:24,397 that matched the same MO, 670 00:50:24,398 --> 00:50:28,651 and he had been in Pennsylvania on family vacation. 671 00:50:28,652 --> 00:50:32,113 He had no substantiated alibi for any of the murders. 672 00:50:32,114 --> 00:50:33,864 We searched his car and his house 673 00:50:33,865 --> 00:50:38,327 and found jewelry and bloodstains that matched the victims. 674 00:50:38,328 --> 00:50:41,205 That point, we knew we had our man. 675 00:50:57,597 --> 00:51:00,224 - When they came and arrested my dad 676 00:51:00,225 --> 00:51:03,102 as the Water street Butcher, it was devastating. 677 00:51:03,103 --> 00:51:06,439 I couldn't sleep, I dropped out of school, 678 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,692 I became a freak even to my own friends. 679 00:51:09,693 --> 00:51:11,944 Everything changed in one second. 680 00:51:11,945 --> 00:51:14,280 - Foley had no alibi for these murders 681 00:51:14,281 --> 00:51:17,658 because he was a cop who rode in an unmarked cruiser 682 00:51:17,659 --> 00:51:19,785 by himself most of the time. 683 00:51:19,786 --> 00:51:23,414 There was plenty of time for him to commit these crimes. 684 00:51:23,415 --> 00:51:26,459 Secondly, he had a history of getting prostitutes. 685 00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:30,546 Apparently Mr. Foley was a fairly regular customer. 686 00:51:30,547 --> 00:51:33,883 One of the prostitutes, Cindy Jackson, took the stand 687 00:51:33,884 --> 00:51:35,301 and placed him in the neighborhood 688 00:51:35,302 --> 00:51:38,929 at the time of three of the abductions. 689 00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:40,723 - As defense, my hands were really tied 690 00:51:40,724 --> 00:51:43,893 because he kept refusing a plea bargain of any kind. 691 00:51:43,894 --> 00:51:45,561 I kept telling him, Jim, 692 00:51:45,562 --> 00:51:48,439 they're gonna kill you if you don't cop a plea. 693 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,691 He kept telling me that he'd fire me 694 00:51:50,692 --> 00:51:54,028 and defend himself if I didn't shut up about it. 695 00:51:54,029 --> 00:51:56,363 It was really quite frustrating. 696 00:52:08,460 --> 00:52:10,003 - He was my father. 697 00:52:12,756 --> 00:52:16,301 Now it's over and he needs to be punished. 698 00:52:24,017 --> 00:52:26,227 - But I think that your life should be spared, 699 00:52:26,228 --> 00:52:28,729 because we are not like you. 700 00:52:35,862 --> 00:52:38,072 - You're the master and it pleases me to serve you. 701 00:52:38,073 --> 00:53:08,894 You're the master and it pleases me to serve you. 702 00:53:08,895 --> 00:53:11,063 - The governor has not granted reprieve, 703 00:53:11,064 --> 00:53:14,776 James Foley will be executed within the hour. 704 00:53:44,848 --> 00:53:46,307 - Two members of the execution team 705 00:53:46,308 --> 00:53:49,018 are preparing their injections. 706 00:53:49,019 --> 00:53:50,896 A third is standing by. 707 00:54:00,030 --> 00:54:01,989 The superintendent will now give the condemned 708 00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:05,034 the opportunity to make a last statement. 709 00:54:05,035 --> 00:54:08,120 He has declined to make a last statement. 710 00:54:14,669 --> 00:54:18,631 He's afforded the opportunity for prayer. 711 00:54:18,632 --> 00:54:21,342 The condemned has declined this also. 712 00:54:36,858 --> 00:54:40,987 We have now completed the first phase of the execution. 713 00:54:42,989 --> 00:54:47,118 We have now completed the second phase of the execution. 714 00:54:48,620 --> 00:54:49,870 We have now completed the third 715 00:54:49,871 --> 00:54:52,582 and final phase of the execution. 716 00:54:57,545 --> 00:55:02,007 One of the physicians is now making his examination. 717 00:55:02,008 --> 00:55:05,010 Now the second is making his check. 718 00:55:05,011 --> 00:55:09,098 Now the third and final physician is making his check. 719 00:55:09,099 --> 00:55:11,100 Examination is completed. 720 00:55:11,101 --> 00:55:13,102 The superintendent has advised the witnesses 721 00:55:13,103 --> 00:55:16,897 that death did occur at 12:24 on this date. 722 00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:44,259 - When I got home, I found a map in my mailbox. 723 00:55:45,468 --> 00:55:48,554 There was a mark on it that said, "Missed one." 724 00:55:48,555 --> 00:55:50,055 And then my phone rang. 725 00:55:50,056 --> 00:55:52,641 They said you gotta get down here and see this. 726 00:55:52,642 --> 00:55:53,934 It was another body. 727 00:55:53,935 --> 00:55:55,602 I knew right away. 728 00:55:55,603 --> 00:55:58,772 - Death by lethal injection. 729 00:55:58,773 --> 00:56:00,607 After three stays of execution, 730 00:56:00,608 --> 00:56:02,651 the death warrant has now been issued, 731 00:56:02,652 --> 00:56:06,196 and James Foley will be put to death within the hour. 732 00:56:06,197 --> 00:56:09,908 In 1996, a jury convicted and sentenced Foley to death 733 00:56:09,909 --> 00:56:11,327 for the brutal murders of four women 734 00:56:11,328 --> 00:56:13,746 in Pennsylvania and Upstate New York. 735 00:56:13,747 --> 00:56:16,582 Authorities believe the death toll to be much higher. 736 00:56:16,583 --> 00:56:19,168 - We need to stop killing everyone. 737 00:56:19,169 --> 00:56:20,753 And if the government sanctions it 738 00:56:20,754 --> 00:56:23,756 it just gives everyone a taste for blood. 739 00:56:23,757 --> 00:56:26,216 - Pennsylvania's third execution in 25 years. 740 00:56:26,217 --> 00:56:28,010 - Right after I go work, 741 00:56:28,011 --> 00:56:31,847 police come in and handing me DNA sample, 742 00:56:31,848 --> 00:56:34,641 and demanding I do immediate. 743 00:56:34,642 --> 00:56:36,935 I was very stressful. 744 00:56:36,936 --> 00:56:41,066 And it turn out same as Water Street Butcher, James Foley. 745 00:56:42,233 --> 00:56:43,734 - We're still not sure. 746 00:56:43,735 --> 00:56:45,486 Apparently he had gone to a fertility clinic 747 00:56:45,487 --> 00:56:50,074 some years before, we think maybe that's how. 748 00:56:50,075 --> 00:56:51,950 But we're still not sure. 749 00:56:51,951 --> 00:56:54,995 - Three days after my dad's execution, 750 00:56:54,996 --> 00:56:58,207 they realize that he had been innocent. 751 00:56:58,208 --> 00:57:00,501 They were gonna put out a thing in the paper the next day, 752 00:57:00,502 --> 00:57:03,420 and then 9/11 happened. 753 00:57:03,421 --> 00:57:07,550 So, the article on dad gets bumped down to page six. 754 00:57:08,885 --> 00:57:12,680 Former cop cleared of charges after execution. 755 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,892 People still jokingly when I say my name they'll ask, 756 00:57:16,893 --> 00:57:19,895 any relation to the Water Street Butcher? 757 00:57:19,896 --> 00:57:23,816 And I tell them, Jim Foley wasn't the Water Street Butcher. 758 00:57:23,817 --> 00:57:27,946 Nobody heard that they found him innocent, 'cause of 9/11. 759 00:57:29,197 --> 00:57:31,073 - Any other week in American history 760 00:57:31,074 --> 00:57:33,700 and this would've been a serious national sensation. 761 00:57:33,701 --> 00:57:37,414 Serial killer kills cop using justice system. 762 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,499 Come on. 763 00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:42,835 But then September 11th happened, 764 00:57:42,836 --> 00:57:46,713 and no one gave a shit about anything else. 765 00:57:46,714 --> 00:57:48,507 You know, after 10 or more years 766 00:57:48,508 --> 00:57:52,010 of planning and executing what I considered to be 767 00:57:52,011 --> 00:57:56,348 the crime of the century, nobody even heard about it. 768 00:57:56,349 --> 00:58:00,478 - See, when people read there's a serial killer in town, 769 00:58:01,479 --> 00:58:05,107 their guards go up, which was happening. 770 00:58:05,108 --> 00:58:06,692 But then when they read the serial killer 771 00:58:06,693 --> 00:58:10,654 only preys on prostitutes, if you're not a prostitute, 772 00:58:10,655 --> 00:58:13,449 your defenses are going to go back down. 773 00:58:13,450 --> 00:58:17,286 So he created this Water Street Butcher persona 774 00:58:17,287 --> 00:58:21,373 to assuage people's fears about this unknown killer. 775 00:58:21,374 --> 00:58:25,503 So that he could continue to prey on everyone else. 776 00:58:28,756 --> 00:58:29,590 - Hi. - Hi, 777 00:58:29,591 --> 00:58:30,507 you having some car trouble? 778 00:58:30,508 --> 00:58:32,759 - Oh yeah, my car just died. 779 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:33,844 I don't know what's wrong with it. 780 00:58:33,845 --> 00:58:35,721 - Oh, you need me to call you a tow truck? 781 00:58:35,722 --> 00:58:37,222 - Oh, Officer, thank you. 782 00:58:37,223 --> 00:58:38,932 That would be great. 783 00:58:38,933 --> 00:58:40,350 I've been stuck here for over an hour. 784 00:58:40,351 --> 00:58:42,227 - You know, you really shouldn't be out here 785 00:58:42,228 --> 00:58:43,937 by yourself with that Water Street Butcher 786 00:58:43,938 --> 00:58:45,648 on the loose and all. 787 00:58:48,151 --> 00:58:50,152 - I thought he just attacked prostitutes? 788 00:58:50,153 --> 00:58:51,445 - Hey, look, there's a gas station 789 00:58:51,446 --> 00:58:53,489 a mile down where you'll be safe. 790 00:58:53,490 --> 00:58:54,656 Let me drop you there, 791 00:58:54,657 --> 00:58:57,367 then you won't have to wait out here alone. 792 00:58:57,368 --> 00:58:59,119 - You wouldn't mind? 793 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:00,078 - Not at all. 794 00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:02,206 - Oh, thank you, okay. 795 00:59:02,207 --> 00:59:03,957 - I have a lot of stuff up here, 796 00:59:03,958 --> 00:59:07,169 would you mind jumping into the back? 797 00:59:07,170 --> 00:59:08,963 - Sure, sure, why not. 798 00:59:16,221 --> 00:59:17,013 Thank you. 799 00:59:21,643 --> 00:59:24,728 This is what it looks like to be arrested, huh? 800 00:59:24,729 --> 00:59:26,647 - Hey, you ever been arrested? 801 00:59:28,816 --> 00:59:32,152 - Not that I care to admit to. 802 00:59:32,153 --> 00:59:36,241 I once got arrested for drinking underage, but that's it. 803 00:59:47,418 --> 00:59:49,879 Wow, I've had such a long day. 804 01:00:01,724 --> 01:00:05,352 I think, I think that was the exit to the gas station. 805 01:00:05,353 --> 01:00:09,648 Excuse me, wasn't that the exit to the gas station? 806 01:00:09,649 --> 01:00:11,442 - I guess it was. 807 01:00:15,655 --> 01:00:16,822 - Perhaps you better turn around. 808 01:00:16,823 --> 01:00:20,325 - You know, can I ask you something? 809 01:00:20,326 --> 01:00:21,243 - What? 810 01:00:21,244 --> 01:00:22,452 Would you please turn around? 811 01:00:22,453 --> 01:00:24,413 - Why did you call me Officer? 812 01:00:24,414 --> 01:00:25,539 - Sorry, what do you mean? 813 01:00:25,540 --> 01:00:26,999 - Well, before you got into the car, 814 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,626 you called me Officer. 815 01:00:29,627 --> 01:00:31,795 Why did you call me that? 816 01:00:31,796 --> 01:00:35,507 - I thought police liked it when you called them that. 817 01:00:35,508 --> 01:00:37,092 - Well, they do. 818 01:00:37,093 --> 01:00:38,386 But I'm not cop. 819 01:00:41,306 --> 01:00:42,307 - You're not? 820 01:00:43,224 --> 01:00:44,017 - No. 821 01:00:46,603 --> 01:00:49,062 - That's not very funny. 822 01:00:49,063 --> 01:00:51,858 - Well, I'm not trying to be. 823 01:01:01,326 --> 01:01:03,076 - I'm sorry, I don't understand. 824 01:01:03,077 --> 01:01:04,537 What are you then? 825 01:01:05,580 --> 01:01:07,290 - I'm a butcher. 826 01:01:24,349 --> 01:01:25,641 - That's not funny. 827 01:01:25,642 --> 01:01:27,559 - Yeah, no, it's not. 828 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,730 You shouldn't get into stranger's cars. 829 01:01:34,609 --> 01:01:35,942 - You're not a cop? 830 01:01:35,943 --> 01:01:38,195 - Didn't you learn about assumptions? 831 01:01:38,196 --> 01:01:40,573 They make an ass of u and me. 832 01:01:46,954 --> 01:01:48,830 - Where are you going? 833 01:01:48,831 --> 01:01:50,291 - You'll see. 834 01:01:59,133 --> 01:02:00,509 - Please don't do this. 835 01:02:00,510 --> 01:02:01,343 Sir? 836 01:02:01,344 --> 01:02:02,469 Please don't hurt me. 837 01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:03,637 I'm... 838 01:02:03,638 --> 01:02:06,223 I'm, I'm a good person, I have a family, 839 01:02:06,224 --> 01:02:08,058 and they'll tell someone I'm missing. 840 01:02:08,059 --> 01:02:10,894 I'm so sorry, perhaps I made you want to do this-- 841 01:02:10,895 --> 01:02:12,437 - Well how about this, I'll make you a deal. 842 01:02:12,438 --> 01:02:13,271 - Yeah? 843 01:02:13,272 --> 01:02:16,483 - We'll pull over, and I'm gonna rape you. 844 01:02:16,484 --> 01:02:20,112 But then, then if you've been good, 845 01:02:20,113 --> 01:02:24,242 and you haven't done anything stupid, I won't kill you. 846 01:02:27,912 --> 01:02:28,705 - Okay. 847 01:02:30,748 --> 01:02:32,791 - You think I'd fall for that? 848 01:02:32,792 --> 01:02:35,168 You're not just gonna let me rape you. 849 01:02:35,169 --> 01:02:36,169 - Yes I am. 850 01:02:36,170 --> 01:02:38,381 - I don't believe you. 851 01:02:40,133 --> 01:02:40,925 - Why? 852 01:02:47,181 --> 01:02:51,226 - You know, to be perfectly honest, 853 01:02:51,227 --> 01:02:53,603 I don't think either of us are gonna want you alive 854 01:02:53,604 --> 01:02:56,733 for the things I'm going to do to you. 855 01:03:06,033 --> 01:03:07,409 - I'm so sorry! 856 01:03:07,410 --> 01:03:08,410 Please, let me... 857 01:03:08,411 --> 01:03:09,953 Obviously I wouldn't 858 01:03:09,954 --> 01:03:11,997 leave handles on the doors. 859 01:03:24,844 --> 01:03:27,179 - Somebody help me! 860 01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:27,972 Help me! 861 01:03:31,392 --> 01:03:33,644 Oh my god, somebody help me! 862 01:03:37,356 --> 01:03:38,149 No! 863 01:03:46,324 --> 01:03:47,532 Help me! 864 01:03:47,533 --> 01:03:49,201 Somebody help me! 865 01:05:53,034 --> 01:05:56,912 - This killer knows how to play the profile 866 01:05:56,913 --> 01:06:00,040 in exactly the way he wants, 867 01:06:00,041 --> 01:06:02,375 just like a really good actor 868 01:06:02,376 --> 01:06:07,213 can make you think they're really crying, or laughing. 869 01:06:07,214 --> 01:06:09,174 To give you an example of what I mean, 870 01:06:09,175 --> 01:06:12,303 let me read a coupe of these profiles. 871 01:06:14,513 --> 01:06:18,058 Suspect is a while male, age 18 to 25. 872 01:06:18,059 --> 01:06:20,435 White male, age 25 to 35. 873 01:06:20,436 --> 01:06:23,063 Black male, age 25 to 30. 874 01:06:23,064 --> 01:06:24,898 Disorganized, highly organized. 875 01:06:24,899 --> 01:06:27,567 Serial killer, most likely his first time killing. 876 01:06:27,568 --> 01:06:30,153 First killing, definitely not his first killing. 877 01:06:30,154 --> 01:06:32,697 Lives alone, probably in a very messy house. 878 01:06:32,698 --> 01:06:34,574 His home will be clean and kempt. 879 01:06:34,575 --> 01:06:36,868 Sadist, sadistic, sadist. 880 01:06:36,869 --> 01:06:38,787 Has most likely been institutionalized 881 01:06:38,788 --> 01:06:40,580 for a good portion of his life. 882 01:06:40,581 --> 01:06:43,083 Highly functional, may have limited faculties. 883 01:06:43,084 --> 01:06:45,502 Highly intelligent, probably highly educated. 884 01:06:45,503 --> 01:06:46,962 Most likely never finished high school. 885 01:06:46,963 --> 01:06:49,297 Most likely works in law enforcement, 886 01:06:49,298 --> 01:06:52,092 possibly a police officer or a security guard. 887 01:06:52,093 --> 01:06:54,511 Probably lives off some sort of disability. 888 01:06:54,512 --> 01:06:55,929 Most likely can not hold a job. 889 01:06:55,930 --> 01:07:00,642 Knows profiling, and may be employed as an FBI profiler. 890 01:07:12,655 --> 01:07:15,407 - I went back to the map that the killer had sent me. 891 01:07:15,408 --> 01:07:18,034 It was made online using MapQuest. 892 01:07:18,035 --> 01:07:19,494 So I put in a call to the FBI 893 01:07:19,495 --> 01:07:21,746 to see what we could get from this. 894 01:07:21,747 --> 01:07:23,999 They got the records from MapQuest, 895 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,917 and only one download was made 896 01:07:25,918 --> 01:07:30,088 from that exact map during the month in question. 897 01:07:30,089 --> 01:07:32,424 - My name is Captain Harvey Scroggs. 898 01:07:32,425 --> 01:07:34,175 I lead the assault on the house. 899 01:07:34,176 --> 01:07:38,305 As I like to say, we dropped the whole hammer on him. 900 01:07:39,473 --> 01:07:43,436 Helicopters, SWAT, dogs, bomb squad, everything. 901 01:07:45,438 --> 01:07:46,480 Just in case. 902 01:08:05,708 --> 01:08:06,541 - It's clear! 903 01:08:06,542 --> 01:08:07,375 - Clear. - Clear. 904 01:08:07,376 --> 01:08:08,836 - Clear. 905 01:08:12,631 --> 01:08:14,049 - Clear. - Clear. 906 01:08:14,050 --> 01:08:15,008 - All clear. 907 01:08:15,009 --> 01:08:17,720 - People ask me how we found him, 908 01:08:18,721 --> 01:08:22,265 and I say, first, we didn't find him. 909 01:08:22,266 --> 01:08:23,558 Just this house. 910 01:08:23,559 --> 01:08:27,521 And second, we didn't find it, he gave it to us. 911 01:08:29,065 --> 01:08:31,483 He wanted us to find it. 912 01:08:31,484 --> 01:08:34,402 And that's further evidenced by the fact that there 913 01:08:34,403 --> 01:08:38,532 was not one single fingerprint in the entire house. 914 01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:44,120 - Over here on the wall, got a little bit of blood here. 915 01:08:44,121 --> 01:08:47,207 And here, point the camera down Sean, point it down. 916 01:08:47,208 --> 01:08:50,627 Got one, two, three, four, five boxes of videotapes 917 01:08:50,628 --> 01:08:52,212 numbered sequentially-- 918 01:08:52,213 --> 01:08:53,338 - Hey guys. 919 01:08:53,339 --> 01:08:54,923 Hey guys, come here. 920 01:08:54,924 --> 01:08:56,550 Come on. 921 01:08:58,594 --> 01:08:59,804 - Whoa. 922 01:09:00,721 --> 01:09:02,347 Get in here Sean. 923 01:09:02,348 --> 01:09:03,681 Get over here. 924 01:09:03,682 --> 01:09:04,475 Over here. 925 01:09:05,601 --> 01:09:06,851 Ready? 926 01:09:06,852 --> 01:09:07,645 Go. 927 01:09:10,773 --> 01:09:11,565 My god. 928 01:09:12,775 --> 01:09:14,819 - Is she alive? 929 01:09:16,487 --> 01:09:18,071 - Oh my god she is. 930 01:09:18,072 --> 01:09:18,947 We need a medic in here. 931 01:09:18,948 --> 01:09:20,990 Get a medic in here now! 932 01:09:28,290 --> 01:09:29,874 - Oh, people kept trying to tell me 933 01:09:29,875 --> 01:09:33,670 all those years that Cheryl was probably dead. 934 01:09:33,671 --> 01:09:36,966 That I should probably start to move on. 935 01:09:38,425 --> 01:09:40,260 But I wouldn't. 936 01:09:40,261 --> 01:09:44,390 I keep telling everyone, I have to keep hope until I know. 937 01:09:47,059 --> 01:09:49,644 But then I got the call. 938 01:09:49,645 --> 01:09:52,939 The officer said, we found your daughter. 939 01:09:52,940 --> 01:09:55,568 And I thought he meant her body. 940 01:09:58,445 --> 01:10:01,489 - I have never seen a human being 941 01:10:01,490 --> 01:10:04,701 born and raised in the United States 942 01:10:04,702 --> 01:10:07,704 show evidence of this kind of torture. 943 01:10:07,705 --> 01:10:09,706 She had been burned, cut, 944 01:10:09,707 --> 01:10:14,544 she had five teeth removed by pliers or a hammer. 945 01:10:14,545 --> 01:10:16,212 She had multiple broken bones. 946 01:10:16,213 --> 01:10:19,215 Not only that none of them have been allowed to heal, 947 01:10:19,216 --> 01:10:21,426 some have been further aggravated 948 01:10:21,427 --> 01:10:24,929 by some sort of tightening apparatus. 949 01:10:24,930 --> 01:10:29,058 She had also been extremely malnourished, 950 01:10:29,059 --> 01:10:33,146 and her organs were in really bad shape as a result. 951 01:10:33,147 --> 01:10:36,192 There also was severe sexual torture. 952 01:10:37,484 --> 01:10:41,738 Including things like electrocution of genitals, 953 01:10:41,739 --> 01:10:45,743 and things that are too horrible to say out loud. 954 01:10:53,459 --> 01:10:55,376 - While she was in the hospital, 955 01:10:55,377 --> 01:10:58,296 a lot of her injuries seemed to get worse instead of better, 956 01:10:58,297 --> 01:11:00,590 and we couldn't figure it out. 957 01:11:00,591 --> 01:11:04,260 Then I realized that pain, not just pain, but brutal pain, 958 01:11:04,261 --> 01:11:06,512 had been such a huge part of her life for so long 959 01:11:06,513 --> 01:11:08,806 she didn't know how to exist without it. 960 01:11:08,807 --> 01:11:11,434 She no longer knew how to exist in the world 961 01:11:11,435 --> 01:11:14,020 if not through horrific pain. 962 01:11:14,021 --> 01:11:17,732 She was torturing herself when nobody was looking. 963 01:11:17,733 --> 01:11:21,862 - It was very strange, seeing Cheryl after all that time. 964 01:11:23,322 --> 01:11:24,739 You know, the time that she was missing, 965 01:11:24,740 --> 01:11:27,033 I went from being a carefree college girl 966 01:11:27,034 --> 01:11:29,495 to having two girls of my own. 967 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,039 It was hard to see the girl that I loved 968 01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:34,958 and the girl that came back. 969 01:12:01,026 --> 01:12:03,069 - I don't know. 970 01:12:03,070 --> 01:12:06,948 I don't know what you want me to say. 971 01:12:06,949 --> 01:12:11,078 - Talk about what it's like being home again. 972 01:12:11,954 --> 01:12:13,955 - I don't know. 973 01:12:13,956 --> 01:12:16,166 What do you want me to say? 974 01:12:17,376 --> 01:12:18,209 - It had to be nice 975 01:12:18,210 --> 01:12:19,836 seeing your mom again after all that time. 976 01:12:19,837 --> 01:12:20,629 - Yeah. 977 01:12:23,007 --> 01:12:23,757 Maybe. 978 01:12:25,592 --> 01:12:29,345 I don't know what you want me to say. 979 01:12:29,346 --> 01:12:30,179 - What was the man 980 01:12:30,180 --> 01:12:33,142 you lived with all these years like? 981 01:12:38,564 --> 01:12:39,564 - I don't know. 982 01:12:39,565 --> 01:12:42,525 I don't think that I want to do this anymore. 983 01:12:42,526 --> 01:12:44,068 - Why? 984 01:12:44,069 --> 01:12:48,114 - 'Cause I don't know what you want me to say. 985 01:12:48,115 --> 01:12:51,910 - You can say anything you want. 986 01:12:54,204 --> 01:12:55,331 - He loved me. 987 01:12:56,707 --> 01:13:00,084 Nobody ever lets me say it, but it's true. 988 01:13:00,085 --> 01:13:01,045 He loved me. 989 01:13:02,588 --> 01:13:05,214 He didn't mean to leave me. 990 01:13:05,215 --> 01:13:08,718 And someday he's gonna come back to me. 991 01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:11,013 And he's gonna take me away. 992 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,053 - Well, another tragedy for this small family in Reading, 993 01:13:52,054 --> 01:13:53,721 Take a look here at the crime scene. 994 01:13:53,722 --> 01:13:55,890 The recently buried body of Cheryl Dempsey 995 01:13:55,891 --> 01:13:57,433 was stolen from her grave. 996 01:13:57,434 --> 01:14:00,186 It happened here last night at Woodlawn Cemetery. 997 01:14:00,187 --> 01:14:02,313 The only thing left behind a broken casket. 998 01:14:02,314 --> 01:14:03,773 As you can see, a real mess. 999 01:14:03,774 --> 01:14:05,817 Police are now investigating a possible link 1000 01:14:05,818 --> 01:14:08,569 between this demented crime and a serial killer 1001 01:14:08,570 --> 01:14:10,655 who has been tormenting the East Coast 1002 01:14:10,656 --> 01:14:12,740 known as the Water Street Butcher. 1003 01:14:20,916 --> 01:14:24,377 - My feeling is that he's moved somewhere else. 1004 01:14:24,378 --> 01:14:28,131 I doubt very strongly that he's stopped killing. 1005 01:14:28,132 --> 01:14:32,760 I doubt very strongly that anyone even knows he's there. 1006 01:14:32,761 --> 01:14:34,972 But in some town out there, 1007 01:14:36,348 --> 01:14:40,059 the disappearance and murder rates are rising, 1008 01:14:40,060 --> 01:14:44,814 and somewhere out there he's responsible for it. 1009 01:14:44,815 --> 01:14:46,691 - Something I find interesting about these tapes 1010 01:14:46,692 --> 01:14:48,109 is that they're numbered sequentially, 1011 01:14:48,110 --> 01:14:52,239 but there were 27 tapes missing when we found them. 1012 01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:58,119 I wonder what was on those tapes. 1013 01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,620 I wonder if they were just too private 1014 01:14:59,621 --> 01:15:01,748 for him to let anyone see. 1015 01:15:03,375 --> 01:15:05,877 Or if his face was visible in those, 1016 01:15:05,878 --> 01:15:09,506 or if they revealed just too much about him. 1017 01:15:11,550 --> 01:15:15,887 Or maybe they were worse than anything that we've seen. 1018 01:15:15,888 --> 01:15:18,473 - I'll tell you one place we'll be watching. 1019 01:15:18,474 --> 01:15:20,308 If this documentary thing you're making 1020 01:15:20,309 --> 01:15:22,643 ever gets to the theaters, 1021 01:15:22,644 --> 01:15:25,730 he won't be able to help himself. 1022 01:15:25,731 --> 01:15:29,443 He'll see this movie as many times as he can. 1023 01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,612 We'll keep an eye on as many screenings as we can, 1024 01:15:32,613 --> 01:15:34,490 because he'll be there. 1025 01:20:24,905 --> 01:20:26,989 - I'll make you a deal. 1026 01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:30,576 You can live as long as you don't blink.